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Post by Jenny on Aug 20, 2019 18:30:38 GMT -5
The following FQ was posted on MW in March 2016. What 'What Ifs' are searchers to consider? Forrest, in the 2015 answers to six questions, you answered in part,“What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.” Is this statement still accurate? ~ Thanks, sumbuddy
Yes sumbuddy, and that is why I recently suggested that searchers consider the what ifs. fHe had suggested such in MW's Weekly Words on March 4th, 2016-- *After reading HOD I am prompted to ask, have you considered the “what ifs?”
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Post by Jenny on Aug 20, 2019 18:31:47 GMT -5
I should add---
These particular 'Weekly Words' were added to the list by Forrest at that time..... Why did he feel important to do so?
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Post by crm114 on Aug 20, 2019 19:29:21 GMT -5
It sounds like people were on the wrong track as far as their solves or searches. I've always thought a possible answer would be "what if it's buried?" But given most people probably don't get past the first clue, it's probably a what if about WWWH, like "what if WWWH is not associated with a hot spring" or something like that.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 21, 2019 11:12:47 GMT -5
Thanks Drifter for keeping it in context.... You make a great point...... The Q asked on the 24th of March by sumbuddy, prompted Forrest to remember back to when he asked searchers to consider the 'What ifs' on the 4th--- which seems then to be in relation to analyzing an important possibility......
And as you suggest...could be many things.... but what was being discussed on Dal's site at the time? Will have to look back on that....
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Post by Jenny on Aug 22, 2019 7:02:46 GMT -5
Forrest actually commented on the What ifs, and said this:
A hypothetical example of a “what if” might be, what if I was looking so far ahead that I neglected to notice what was beside me.
So it seems he is again suggesting something was being passed by..... overlooked.... missed.....
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Post by astree on Aug 22, 2019 7:36:57 GMT -5
Forrest actually commented on the What ifs, and said this: A hypothetical example of a “what if” might be, what if I was looking so far ahead that I neglected to notice what was beside me.
So it seems he is again suggesting something was being passed by..... overlooked.... missed..... Forrest also talks about looking at so many small pieces of infirmation that one can miss the big picture. Also, i think that sentence is a good example of multiple meaning... he gives an example of “what if... beside me”. In the sentence, “if” is beside “me”(I), and many might read right past it.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 22, 2019 7:47:01 GMT -5
I agree Astree..... consider the 'what ifs' is emphasized again... "what if" is beside me(I) as you say..... (if I am understanding correctly)
One of the ways I considered this too... was that Forrest was 'talking' to those searchers who 'walked right past the treasure'..... They were looking ahead and didn't take notice of what was beside them on their journey...and missed a 'clue' or a turn???
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Post by astree on Aug 22, 2019 7:49:19 GMT -5
. Thanks Jenny. You got it. I should have put “what if” in quotes, not just “if”
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Post by Jenny on Aug 24, 2019 15:08:05 GMT -5
I should add--- These particular 'Weekly Words' were added to the list by Forrest at that time..... Why did he feel important to do so? It seems to me, Forrest noticed searchers were overlooking or not considering something during this time...and Forrest thought suggesting them to ask 'what if' might help them .... There were a few discussions/threads/posts going on at the time on Dal's..... can some 'what if's' be found?
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Post by Bownarrow on Sept 12, 2019 5:11:06 GMT -5
A literal reading of the poem suggests that the location of the chest has been found by the end of Stanza 4; after all, it states quite clearly:
Just take the chest and go in peace
What if , however, the order of the directions in the line are reversed, so that the line reads:
Go in peace and just take the chest When read in this way the line could be interpreted as just another directional clue.I have looked at my current solution and other old solutions and have seen that all of them may be interpreted as another waypoint just as easily as the final destination.
When looked at from this perspective, I have found that Stanza 5 makes a lot more sense, and it no longer seems disconnected from the rest of the poem.
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Post by Bownarrow on Sept 12, 2019 5:32:42 GMT -5
A literal reading of the poem suggests that the location of the chest has been found by the end of Stanza 4; after all, it states quite clearly:
Just take the chest and go in peace
What if , however, the order of the directions in the line are reversed, so that the line reads:
Go in peace and just take the chest When read in this way the line could be interpreted as just another directional clue.I have looked at my current solution and other old solutions and have seen that all of them may be interpreted as another waypoint just as easily as the final destination.
When looked at from this perspective, I have found that Stanza 5 makes a lot more sense, and it no longer seems disconnected from the rest of the poem.
Reversing the order of the directions in the line, may also be interpreted as a clue as where the end point is.
If 'reverse the order of the directions' is applied to the poem as well as the line, it may be interpreted that the poem takes us back to 'where we started' :
“We shall not cease from our exploration And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time.”
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Post by nmc on Sept 12, 2019 6:34:26 GMT -5
Forrest actually commented on the What ifs, and said this: A hypothetical example of a “what if” might be, what if I was looking so far ahead that I neglected to notice what was beside me.
So it seems he is again suggesting something was being passed by..... overlooked.... missed.....
I thought his reference to reading Dal's was hinting we should go check out Dal's site to see what the discussions were at that time. One conversation stood out:
Forrest Fenn on February 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm said:
Spoon, “If person had the correct GPS coordinates they could find the chest.” Physics says this has to be true. How can it not be? The key word here is “correct.”
I felt at the time his WW comment, which was released a day early, was referring to the observations Spoon made about the inaccuracy of GPS (and Google Earth in particular). But, only because he thought enough about it to add his comment.
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 12, 2019 7:08:23 GMT -5
Forrest actually commented on the What ifs, and said this: A hypothetical example of a “what if” might be, what if I was looking so far ahead that I neglected to notice what was beside me.
So it seems he is again suggesting something was being passed by..... overlooked.... missed.....
I thought his reference to reading Dal's was hinting we should go check out Dal's site to see what the discussions were at that time. One conversation stood out:
Forrest Fenn on February 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm said:
Spoon, “If person had the correct GPS coordinates they could find the chest.” Physics says this has to be true. How can it not be? The key word here is “correct.”
I felt at the time his WW comment, which was released a day early, was referring to the observations Spoon made about the inaccuracy of GPS (and Google Earth in particular). But, only because he thought enough about it to add his comment.
I take it as he doesn't give us correct, or any GPS points for that matter.
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Post by Bownarrow on Sept 12, 2019 7:44:55 GMT -5
Reversing the order of the directions in the line, may also be interpreted as a clue as where the end point is.
If 'reverse the order of the directions' is applied to the poem as well as the line, it may be interpreted that the poem takes us back to 'where we started' :
“We shall not cease from our exploration And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time.”
The idea of 'reversing direction' in Stanza 4 ties together a whole slew of clues - the backwards (bi)cycle, the LGII not being able to get closer than the first two clues, the keyword, why 'the answer(s) I already know',etc.
The 'reverse' takes place in Verse 4:
Verse 4 = verse for = verse er = reverse
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Post by richard on Sept 12, 2019 7:54:33 GMT -5
I believe as I have posted on other discussions that I have found the problem or aspect as he put's it that no one analyzed and made a big discovery. It is dealing with HOB and comes from TTOTC.
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