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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Aug 23, 2019 21:28:10 GMT -5
To hopefully give this a nudge, i would like to talk about the C symbol. In the story, we are told Neptune goes down and "gets the gold, jewels, and pearls-- thats the key". Clearly on the Neptune page, the treasure chest shows just that, gold, jewels and pearls. So its safe to say that "The Key" is the 4 symbols on this chest. IMO I believe all 4 of these symbols represent a character in the book. The C is Zodiose. Compass is Harley. X is the dame(on her shirt and the closck hand goes through an X), and the signpost is Sam. Today we focus on the C.
We first see the C symbol at the bottom of page 11 being held by Virgo next to a boomerang shape that seems to connect two map segments. The second C is seen on Zodiose's belt. He is pointing to the key and his other hand is clearly pointing at "FOLLOW THE LIGHT". The moon is prominent on this page, as is the key on the water as well as the shadow on the mountains. When you return to pg 11, the moon is shining a light onto the lower right piano keys. These keys match up with the nearby colors in the lower right quadrant. The last 4 keys specifically highlight the light and the two map segments, Bubble Pond and Jordan Pond. The boomerang shape connects these two map segments, dropping off and coming to a point at southern Jordan Pond.
What does this all mean?? I think its simple. Pel Stockwell wrote this knowing people had no idea about any geography or landmarks of MDI. My belief of what the C symbol is, is its giving us a map representation of what we are seeing on Zodiose's page, hence the gold Bubble Map segment and the Jordan pond segment. I also believe the C may be giving us the general location of the key, the Jordan Pond area.
This is echoed by a few things 1) Both old charcters are drinking tea, a common theme at the Jordan Pond house. 2)The POI on the cadillac page has the number 4 on it. The only other one that is a 4 is Jordan Pond. 3) On the Cadillac page, 5 of the stones are colored the same color seqeunce as the 5 pairs on the old dames square RYOBG. With the number letter sub license plate, you use that as a hint and number letter sub her 5 pairs in her square. The result is compelling:
JOPDHSCAGRD. Looks like an acrostic for Jordan Pond House Carraige Road to me. I can give more, but let you all digest that (or spit it back at me). Ill elaborate more on the other symbols in another thread, but keep in mind the C symbol appears for a 3rd time on the Indians pants, which may once again symbolize the general area.
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Post by stiparest on Aug 24, 2019 15:41:33 GMT -5
Iluminatinps - this is definitely food for thought. Nice sleuthing.
Reading your post, I have a few questions. Hopefully it's just a matter of misunderstanding on my part and it just needs some clarification.
You say the moon is shining on page 11, but although the moon is out in that image, it is the lighthouse that is projecting a beam of light, not the moon. This may just be a technicality - the phrase does say 'follow the light', not specifically 'follow the moonlight.'
I think I understand the two map segments you are talking about - Bubble Pond (at the top of the cut off boomerang shape)and Jordan Pond (at the lower pointed tip of the boomerang). It is interesting that that map segment is sideways. I'm not clear on what you mean when you say that 'the last 4 keys specifically highlight the light and the two map segments." Are you referring to the top 4 keys where the light shines, or the bottom 4 keys, below the eagle? Can you clarify this? The color of the bottom six keys match the colors in the wedge that includes the Oak Hill map segment, the water carrier holding the C with a gold background and the green key tip under her, the red and dark blue boomerang, and the light blue of the rippled water. It does seem possible that this correlation is significant.
Why do you feel the Bubble Pond map segment is relevant to identifying Jordan Pond as the location? Are you using it as a marker, or to triangulate Jordan Pond?
The connection you make with the tea drinkers and the 4 mile-markers is interesting, and does seem to suggest the Jordan Pond House, but I got a little lost in your acrostic. The order of the colors on the rocks on the Cadillac page between the signs and the fox, is YOBGR. You say the order of the colors on the old lady page is RYOBG, but I'm not sure how you determine that. The star code uses BPOYR, and colors are scattered around the square. Can you clarify how you came to the RYOGB order?
Finally, JOPDHSCAGRD is definitely tempting as Jordan Pond House Carriage Road, but if you take the letters in the order of the colors, it comes out to JHDOCSAPGR. I understand you can move the letters around, but the colors then get all mixed up. Is there a specific pattern you follow to put them in this order, or is this what was the best fit for the letters? Also, the acrostic has 11 letters, but there are 5 pairs of two, which is 10. I believe there is an extra D in the acrostic. At first I thought it was the 3rd red number, but that's a 5, or E, not D.
I am not trying to tear this idea apart, just trying to figure it all out. I'd appreciate any clarification you can offer. I may just be misinterpreting what you are saying. Again, I think you've made some amazing connections here!
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Aug 24, 2019 16:32:25 GMT -5
@stiparest. Sure no problem.
1) What i mean is the last 4 keys are the most important. the first 2 of the last 4 are duplicates of the 2nd and rd key in the first run of colors. Those 2 keys both symbolize light, especially the yellow, because its showing a house with the lights on. The 3rd key is gold, symbolizing the gold map segment of Bubble Pond. The 4th key is dark blue, symbolizing the blue bar in the Jordan Pond segment. the boomerang shape is just connecting these two segments. The boomerang shape comes to a point in the exact location at Jordan Pond that is seen on Zodiose's page. THEN, the large L on the Bubble Pond segment appears in the lettered 4x4 square where the triangle drops off. The color scheme of that L is also seen as the last two colored piano keys in the upper left of the page. So the entire theory is saying that the C symbol is giving you a map representation of what you see on Zodiode's page. this was probably put in there for people who had no idea of the island geography.
2) The acronym JOPDHSCAGRD is nothing more than simply following instructions. I don't think the order matters, but the colors do. The reason is those 5 colors are the only numbers on the Dame's square that have a pair. The other hint is the number/letter subbing of the license plate 131491. You then go back to the dames page and do the same with the 5 pairs. So again, The answer points to JOPDHSCAGRD.
BUT, it doesn't end there. there is another clue on the Cadillac page, RED YELLOW BOOK. Well, if you go to the first illustration, you will find a bear that has red and yellow flowers under him. The book in question is the book that is in between the bookmarks "Cast Not a Stone". With those two hints, you return to the Cadillac page. The large stone also has a bear on it and an arrow. The stone is casting shadow on a stream on the ground, hence "Cast Not a Stone". That stream is the stream is on the back map and is the stream coming out of south Jordan Pond, which is, you guessed it, along the Jordan Pond Carraige Road.
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Post by wgardner on Aug 25, 2019 10:54:08 GMT -5
Just to make sure I'm following along, this is the "recipe" I think you're using. Please confirm or correct if possible. Take squares from the p.40 square that appear in pairs. This is believed to be: Red: 8, 10 [not 5?] Yellow: 4, 15 Orange: 3, 19 Green: 7, 18? (odd green/blue thing). [not 0?] Blue: 16, 1 [not 6?] If I convert these 10 #s to letters as per A=1, B=2, etc, I get HJDOCSRGPA Then unscrambling in a non-prescribed way and adding a D, it can become JOPDHSCAGRD. Did I follow it correctly? I do wonder if this is the correct path why the authors would have made this so obtuse. One could have used a similar ciphering concept but had the squares in an order that produced the exact sequence JOPDHSCAGR(D) for example, which would have been similarly challenging but better confirmed once discovered. If this is the correct path, I also wonder if the acrostic could simply be JORDPDCAHS for Jordan Pond Carriage House without the road at the end (and thus not needing an extra D either)? And OK, let's say that this does encode to the Jordan Pond Carriage House/Road. Then what? Are we to search the 100' square of the Carriage House or the Road, or are there other clues that add specificity?
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Post by wgardner on Aug 25, 2019 11:04:40 GMT -5
>> If this is the correct path, I also wonder if the acrostic could simply be JORDPDCAHS for Jordan Pond Carriage House without the road at the end (and thus not needing an extra D either)?
Sorry I was sloppy. This should have been JORDPCAGHS
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Aug 25, 2019 14:11:56 GMT -5
Yes, you did it correctly, only the numbers that exactly match in color, then number sub. Simple. But you are correct, it still only gives you an area, not specifics on where to search, what to search under etc... and to hang out on the devils advocate side even more, you are in the park, which means the key is illegally placed. That's according to Acadia Park Service rangers via extensive phone calls.
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Post by susb8383 on Aug 30, 2019 21:25:45 GMT -5
But was it illegal in 2007 when he created the hunt? Also technically he says we don't have to break any laws to get the key. He never said he didn't break any laws when he planted it.
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Post by stiparest on Aug 31, 2019 16:51:23 GMT -5
But was it illegal in 2007 when he created the hunt? Also technically he says we don't have to break any laws to get the key. He never said he didn't break any laws when he planted it. Yes, it was illegal in 2007, although they have been more strict about it with the rise of geocaching. It has been illegal since at least 2003, and probably much longer. I know when I hiked in national parks back in the 1980's it was illegal to leave anything in or take anything out of a national park. I think the rules have been clarified and made more specific in the years since, but it was illegal a long time before the Stockwells wrote their book.
It is illegal to have anything to do with a physical cache in National Parks, so it is not only illegal to leave it there, but it is also illegal to go get it. They don't want people tramping off trails and destroying the fragile undergrowth, digging holes, getting lost, bothering the wildlife, etc. They do allow virtual caches that you 'find' with GPS, but they have specific rules and they are all located along trails, paths and roads. I've seen a few geocaching sites that claim permission is granted for physical caches in some parks, but when I spoke with someone at Acadia Park Headquarters a few years ago, she just about bit my head off when I even suggested their might be something in the park. She said that if knew of anybody who had placed a cache to tell them to close the hunt down immediately, that they were never allowed, and that if they found out about it, there is a fine associated with placing or retrieving a physical cache.So if they illegally placed it in 2007, they would have known they would be asking the players to illegally retrieve it.
Also, one of the people who participated on Tweleve - I can't remember who right now, wrote a letter to the National Park Service requesting all correspondence between the Stockwells and the park - there is a website where you can see all requests for information and the results of each request. The result of her request for information was that there were no letters or other correspondence between the Stockwells and the NPS at any time, so it is unlikely they ever asked permission to hide the key.
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Post by susb8383 on Sept 1, 2019 21:50:34 GMT -5
So do you think we can assume that it is NOT in Acadia? If Pel went out of his way to say that no laws need to be broken to find it, doesn't that imply it's not there? Or else wouldn't have just have not made that disclaimer?
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Post by stiparest on Sept 1, 2019 22:28:19 GMT -5
So do you think we can assume that it is NOT in Acadia? If Pel went out of his way to say that no laws need to be broken to find it, doesn't that imply it's not there? Or else wouldn't have just have not made that disclaimer? My assumption is that it is not in the park. Others disagree. I guess you have to decide for yourself. I don't think Pel has ever given a definitive answer, but he did keep saying that no laws should be broken. He also said that when the riddle is solved, it will be clear where you will need to go. We all have ideas and "evidence",but so far I haven't seen anybody present anything that clearly spells out a specific location. Even if somebody thinks they are withholding some big clue, nobody has gone to retrieve the key, so I doubt anybody has solved - or even found - the master riddle.
I think when the master riddle has been solved, we will have the answer and know exactly where to go. Just my opinion.
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Post by catherwood on Sept 2, 2019 14:33:58 GMT -5
or, the master riddle leads to instructions not to DIG but to CLAIM something hidden inside a locker, for example. Does the park have boxes for campers to lock up food or belongings?
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Post by stiparest on Sept 2, 2019 16:47:41 GMT -5
or, the master riddle leads to instructions not to DIG but to CLAIM something hidden inside a locker, for example. Does the park have boxes for campers to lock up food or belongings? Good thought, catherwood. I'm not aware of any lockers in the park or in Bar Harbor, but there are self-storage lockers on the island. Maybe a combination lock to one of those?
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