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Post by Jenny on Aug 28, 2019 7:42:15 GMT -5
My bad....I suppose the best question to ask isn't 'does the preface reveal the meaning'...but more so, 'Is the line-- Not far, but too far to walk' suggesting you move a distance?
In which case then.... how do we know what is too far or not to move?
It's possible the next line, 'Put in below the home of Brown' determines it.
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 28, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -5
To me TFTW means that ship has sailed, the time has passed and has nothing to do with actual distance.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 28, 2019 8:00:05 GMT -5
My bad....I suppose the best question to ask isn't 'does the preface reveal the meaning'...but more so, 'Is the line-- Not far, but too far to walk' suggesting you move a distance? In which case then.... how do we know what is too far or not to move? It's possible the next line, 'Put in below the home of Brown' determines it. It is possible if you are happy that the poem instructions might include some method of moving other than walking (driving?) i.e. the first two clues give an origin and possibly a bearing, then we travel *some distance* and stop at HoB. I personally don't believe the poem works like this, Forrest said in one pre-emptive answer to a question that the route in the poem is the same one he took to hide the chest, which makes the origin problematic (his house? A hotel? The car rental place?) Related - he hid the treasure in an afternoon, in two trips from the car, by walking. Second, the clues are 'contiguous' (touching) and we put one foot on the other to procede. This implies small scale rather than large. This is not a certainty, but indicitive at the least. The work Jenny did to discuss the 200/500 feet searchers indicate small-scale too. I'm sure cleverer people than me can come up with some more pros/cons. Go! |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 28, 2019 8:08:49 GMT -5
Here's a 'con' to the idea of drive for a bit and stop (presumably at HoB): you could easily shortcut the poem by accidentally driving past HoB and realising that it was HoB - you would have shortcut 3 clues (imo).
Fenn has said this is not possible.
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 28, 2019 8:20:39 GMT -5
When he said he took 2 trips in one afternoon that most likely was from where he parked to where he hid the chest, not necessarily from clue 1 to clue 9. Also, contiguous can be "touching" on a map. Remember that old ad, "let your fingers do the walking".
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Post by Jenny on Aug 28, 2019 8:21:33 GMT -5
Here's a 'con' to the idea of drive for a bit and stop (presumably at HoB): you could easily shortcut the poem by accidentally driving past HoB and realising that it was HoB - you would have shortcut 3 clues (imo). Fenn has said this is not possible. But he has also said this: Question posted 7/2/2014: Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor Thanks for the question Ben. If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f |
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Post by kaotkbliss on Aug 28, 2019 8:29:08 GMT -5
It's a low probability in my opinion, so I'm with Zaph on this one. - It is possible to walk 10 miles, for most of us, unless there is a barrier, in which case the distance is irrelevant. - It reads like a puzzle, it probably is a puzzle. - 10 miles, so far, hasn't been derived from the poem as far as I can see. What if Forrest had sadly died after releasing TTOTC? You wouldn't have that later preface to refer to. It can't be critical to the hunt. This being the case, almost any distance over a few miles could be used. It's not specific enough. - There are no compelling distance-based answers, but lots of puzzle based answers. A shadow, a bank vault, the other side of a canyon, Heaven, the past and several much much better ones  I think you misunderstand what I'm considering (because I didn't explain myself enough).... I agree 'not far, but too far to walk' doesn't offer any concrete distance...or has to mean specifically 10 miles..... HOWEVER, couldn't the line 'put in below the home of Brown' determine the distance- whatever it is? We don't need the book 'tftw' for that. We are told to follow the clues in the poem consecutively.... this would be a great case for doing such...because if you don't, in this scenario/possibility, then you have no idea how far is too far with that line alone. Discovering the meaning to home of Brown tells you that. (as an option) And please don't feel this is a side taking matter...it isn't to me.... I'm on both and neither sides of anything.... I'm neutral and only trying to determine what is fact or not.... Thinking one way or the other doesn't make it fact.... Backing up a little here because I missed a lot on my way to work. Something I've considered about the first stanza, Not far but too far to walk might not be a clue at all. It might be just as he implied in his preface in TFTW. You start at WWH. "and take it" might mean WW goes into the canyon. NFBTFTW might be telling you this: that WW goes in the canyon but you can't, therefore your next stop is HOB. |
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Post by Jenny on Aug 28, 2019 8:37:00 GMT -5
Here's a 'con' to the idea of drive for a bit and stop (presumably at HoB): you could easily shortcut the poem by accidentally driving past HoB and realising that it was HoB - you would have shortcut 3 clues (imo). Fenn has said this is not possible. But he has also said this: Question posted 7/2/2014: mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor
Thanks for the question Ben.
If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.fAnd just for reference....is your 'there are no short cuts' referring to this Q/A??? Found here: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-with-forrest-warm-waters-and-geography/Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman
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There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 28, 2019 8:40:47 GMT -5
Here's a 'con' to the idea of drive for a bit and stop (presumably at HoB): you could easily shortcut the poem by accidentally driving past HoB and realising that it was HoB - you would have shortcut 3 clues (imo). Fenn has said this is not possible. But he has also said this: Question posted 7/2/2014: Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor Thanks for the question Ben. If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f I don't think this is quite the same point. If I told you exactly where the chest was presumably you could reverse engineer the whole poem. The point being you would have had to accidentally stumble on the chest first, which Fenn has said is very unlikely. The point about HoB is that, if you're driving (assumption) presumably it is visible from the road (assumption) in order for you to know where to 'put in'. This being the case, you could indeed 'guess' HoB and cut out the first few clues. Fenn has said this is not a way to procede - the clues have to be solved in order, start with WWH etc. Hope this makes sense, but reverse engineering the poem from HoB is not the same as accidentally finding HoB in the first place. And given the driving scenario, HoB has to be visible from a road, which makes it's accidental discovery possible and, therefore, an unlikely scenario in total. Side note: getting the balance between remaining open to all possibilities and narrowing down to probabilities seems key. On this one, if we used the 'courtroom model' I think there is enough evidence to sway towards driving a section being less likely than the route all being on foot. Imo. |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 28, 2019 8:46:45 GMT -5
But he has also said this: Question posted 7/2/2014: mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor
Thanks for the question Ben.
If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.fAnd just for reference....is your 'there are no short cuts' referring to this Q/A??? Found here: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-with-forrest-warm-waters-and-geography/Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman
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There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f
Thanks Jenny. No, I was thinking more of the times where Forrest told searchers to begin it WWWH, if you don't have that one 'nailed down', follow the clues in order etc. Plus the quote regarding people driving around looking for the blaze Not trying to be argumentative in any of this, nor dogmatic, but people using the 10 mile distance from a later book is particularly frustrating - worse, I think Forrest did it on purpose! |
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Post by Jenny on Aug 28, 2019 9:10:59 GMT -5
And just for reference....is your 'there are no short cuts' referring to this Q/A??? Found here: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-with-forrest-warm-waters-and-geography/Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman
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There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f
Thanks Jenny. No, I was thinking more of the times where Forrest told searchers to begin it WWWH, if you don't have that one 'nailed down', follow the clues in order etc. Plus the quote regarding people driving around looking for the blaze Not trying to be argumentative in any of this, nor dogmatic, but people using the 10 mile distance from a later book is particularly frustrating - worse, I think Forrest did it on purpose! Awesome discussion....and not trying to be argumentative either or any thing else... thank you.... you make some great points....can't deny that..... but....lol... I still have some 'questions'....lol... However, I have to run for the day... maybe even the night....might have to catch up tomorrow... Have a great one!  |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 28, 2019 9:25:55 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny. No, I was thinking more of the times where Forrest told searchers to begin it WWWH, if you don't have that one 'nailed down', follow the clues in order etc. Plus the quote regarding people driving around looking for the blaze Not trying to be argumentative in any of this, nor dogmatic, but people using the 10 mile distance from a later book is particularly frustrating - worse, I think Forrest did it on purpose! Awesome discussion....and not trying to be argumentative either or any thing else... thank you.... you make some great points....can't deny that..... but....lol... I still have some 'questions'....lol... However, I have to run for the day... maybe even the night....might have to catch up tomorrow... Have a great one! No problem If we're disagreeing (and I'm not sure you're not just provoking discussion), then I've said before there's probably more to learn than from everyone agreeing. Nothing I've put here is a definite, but I do feel it is more logical to go BOTG at WWH rather than HoB. I like the idea very much that NFBTFTW isn't a clue at all Kaot! D |
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Post by kaotkbliss on Aug 28, 2019 9:48:29 GMT -5
Yeah, it's always bothered me that line really isn't saying much, almost like an after-thought about the previous location.
I can't remember what old tv gameshow it was but 1 contestant was given a secret word or phrase and they had to describe that word (without using it) and the other person had to guess the secret word before time ran out.
I tend to lean in the direction that Fenn's poem is set up in a similar way. The 9 clues somehow describe a landmark or location name. We need to analyze what he is saying and try to figure out what he is describing.
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Post by 49 dollers on Aug 28, 2019 10:29:24 GMT -5
Awesome discussion....and not trying to be argumentative either or any thing else... thank you.... you make some great points....can't deny that..... but....lol... I still have some 'questions'....lol... However, I have to run for the day... maybe even the night....might have to catch up tomorrow... Have a great one! No problem If we're disagreeing (and I'm not sure you're not just provoking discussion), then I've said before there's probably more to learn than from everyone agreeing. Nothing I've put here is a definite, but I do feel it is more logical to go BOTG at WWH rather than HoB. I like the idea very much that NFBTFTW isn't a clue at all Kaot! D Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor Thanks for the question Ben. But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f Some gas money ? I don't think they stopped for burritos on the way. Lol |
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Post by Jenny on Aug 28, 2019 16:20:34 GMT -5
Here's a 'con' to the idea of drive for a bit and stop (presumably at HoB): you could easily shortcut the poem by accidentally driving past HoB and realising that it was HoB - you would have shortcut 3 clues (imo). Fenn has said this is not possible. Is this a 'con'? I'm not sure hoB can be identified so easily. Or that by passing by any of the clues, either by driving, walking, etc., are known that way. It seems much more is involved. Consider people drive by/to WWWH and don't realize it is WWWH of the poem....From what Forrest has said, we KNOW people have been at WWWH and did not KNOW it was 'THEE' WWWH. Isn't that incredible? Why can't this be the same case for hoB? Especially since hoB is most likely not a structure (because Forrest is known to have suggested such), and so it doesn't seem like something obvious and easily discovered--- but something that requires interpretation, like the previous clues, and WITH the previous clues. If searchers can be at WWWH, and not know it,.... I would think it's possible that unless you have followed the poem, you might not consider hoB to be 'thee' hoB...and pass it by. |
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