Not a website but still on the internet?

[efanton]

I know yet another thread, but it made sense to separate this discussion from the other threads as it is (or at least I hope it remains) a discussion specifically on what we are now looking for and not a discussion of the clues in the verse or so far posted.


Well I think most of us can all agree that the last hint from Lukas was a bit of a bombshell.
We know the hidden treasure is hidden on the internet,  but yet the first key does not result in a website.  Sounds a bit contradictory doesnt it,  but a little bit of thought and this is what I have come up with.

1. If the first key isnt a website then maybe the second key is



2.  A question that I am still pondering and undecided on is can social media apps such as FACEBOOK, REDDIT, YOUTUBE, be considered not to be websites?



3.  Youtube videos have a alphanumeric tag. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8M2V2t1MVc is the link to the hidden treasure video . Using the tag (Y8M2V2t1MVc for example) which might be gleaned from the first key you could get to a video that might be posted with further instructions.


4.  If the first key results in a ten digit number it could be a USA phone number. How could you use a phone number to access a place on the internet without having a web address to go to bearing in mind Lukas has said no phone call is necessary?

Could it be the phone number belongs to a business or organisation then maybe the clue is in the name of the business or organisation. You could then go to the appropriate website for that business or organisation and find a place to use your 2nd key (strictly speaking Lukas would be right in saying that the first key does not give a website, but it might do so indirectly).



5.  10 digits could also give an ISBN book number from before 2007 (I could be wrong about the year). Again the this could be an indirect hint to use a website related to that title.



6.  8, 10, and 12 digits could give a grid reference for a map. As above this would be a way to identify a company or organisation and then go to to their website



7.  Alternatively a grid reference could point to a google maps place-marker left by a user which might contain information as to how to take the next step


I'm sure there are other ways that I have not thought of. 
If you have any thought on the above or  if you have some ideas of your own and would like to share please do.

[goldenchild]

The first key could be a ten digit password or a user name. The second key could be another required piece of login information. Neither would lead to a website on their own but would need to be used on one. If the place where alchemy’s best is a website, like PayPal or some other type of online payment system you could then enter in those two keys (username and password) and perhaps login and find 1000 bucks sitting in a wallet for you. At first I was searching through the many online cryptocurrency trading sites but realized it would be impossible to say the reward is 1000 dollars because crypto is so volatile and swings so much. A grand today might be 500 tomorrow. So it would have to be a fiat trading platform like PayPal.

[captnkush]

Just thinking the first and possible 2nd key may simply be a cipher or two ciphers that will allow us to glean more info from the riddle .just based the mini hunt and comments lukas made about it tells you hes got some game when it comes to encryption techniques. The line " the first key is quite standard" could be refering to some kinda standard encryption needing a keyword or number to get a hidden message from the text in the riddle. Its always struck me a little wierd that there seems to be unessary stanzas in the riddle .if you got both keys and traveled through black flame to get the loot then y the extra stanzas , you're already done.but maybe the extra verses were necessary as part of the next message we may find. we do know the first key doesn't go to a web address .the first piece of the the first key could still be a phone number that you dont "have" to call meaning you might use it in another way.

[captnkush]

Kinda think a good hint question might be ,"Is there a hidden message in the riddle"?

[susb8383]

Yup, that's like one of my suggested questions in the other thread:

"Is there anything besides the meaning of the words themselves to be gleaned from the riddle? For example, (and not limited to) a cipher, an acrostic, etc."

[inatimate1]

I remember Lukas answering one of the questions by saying that we don't need to download anything in order to solve the riddle. So I would take that as meaning links on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Aren't the answer (but just for the first key).

If it's something that could still be on the internet, but not necessarily an app or Website related, then my theory is one that someone else mentioned (possibly efanton) with it being an album of sorts. Yes the modern age dictates that albums and music are mainly streamed on websites and apps such as Spotify, BUT an album is not classed as an actual website, although streaming sites DO reference songs and allow the listening to songs which can be found on albums.

I wasn't bought into the album idea when it was first mentioned, but it does make Lukas's answer correct when pieced together.

I also like the idea of a grid reference as well, as again it isn't specifically a website, but sites like Google Maps can help piece that together too.


As a suggestion, I would say asking if music is used as part of solving the riddle could be beneficial as far as a question goes. It's been suggested as a direction for a couple of the stanzas so far, and given that Lukas is very vocal (pardon the pun) about his involvement in music, it would narrow things down a fair bit if we knew that we were looking for some form of musical link somewhere within the hunt.

[goldenchild]

I think trying to find out the place you need to use the keys would be extremely helpful. We know the treasure is hidden online. So we HAVE to end up on a website somehow eventually. So it makes sense that the last part about the black flame and alchemy’s best would be hinting to the final location. If we could find that site out at least we could see the format of the two keys that need to be found. Password etc. Someone mentioned Minecraft’s owner didn’t expect the game to be a hit and could be a good fit. There is black flame in the game. I think the no download needed kind of eliminates that but it would be a perfect place to hide the end treasure. I’ve never played it but I looked into it and it seems like anyone can create these huge worlds and maps and allow other players to play on those maps. Some are open to all, others are restricted to certain users. What a perfect type of place to hide information that might Only make sense to a searcher. They do have many player made maps named alchemy this, alchemy that. But, with no download required I don’t think it’s a possibility. Unless there is a no download needed streaming site of some sorts.

[efanton]

Sept 5, 2019 17:26:20 GMT -5 inatimate1 said:

I remember Lukas answering one of the questions by saying that we don't need to download anything in order to solve the riddle. So I would take that as meaning links on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Aren't the answer (but just for the first key).

If it's something that could still be on the internet, but not necessarily an app or Website related, then my theory is one that someone else mentioned (possibly efanton) with it being an album of sorts. Yes the modern age dictates that albums and music are mainly streamed on websites and apps such as Spotify, BUT an album is not classed as an actual website, although streaming sites DO reference songs and allow the listening to songs which can be found on albums.

I wasn't bought into the album idea when it was first mentioned, but it does make Lukas's answer correct when pieced together.

I also like the idea of a grid reference as well, as again it isn't specifically a website, but sites like Google Maps can help piece that together too.


As a suggestion, I would say asking if music is used as part of solving the riddle could be beneficial as far as a question goes. It's been suggested as a direction for a couple of the stanzas so far, and given that Lukas is very vocal (pardon the pun) about his involvement in music, it would narrow things down a fair bit if we knew that we were looking for some form of musical link somewhere within the hunt.

I agree.  If we can identify the song or the album if indeed music is involved it would dramatically reduce the options.

I was a bit disappointed to find out that the first key did not result in a website.  Although time consuming to do manually,  with my spreadsheet tool,  I was able to test hundreds of websites so far in this quest relatively easily.
Now the sky is the limit as to where we search even if we know for definite we have the first key correct.  

I like the idea of a hidden message withing the verses.  That would make a lot of sense narrowing down a website or clue to a website as even if we have the first key for definite working out where to use it would be very hard without a further clue that narrows down where that key could be used.

I posed a question at the beginning of the thread

A question that I am still pondering and undecided on is can social media apps such as FACEBOOK, REDDIT, YOUTUBE, be considered not to be websites?

I would really appreciate other forum members thoughts on that.

[goldenchild]

I would say Facebook, Reddit, YouTube are websites. They have apps that link to their website. But I don’t see how they wouldn’t be considered websites?