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Post by sfsean on Nov 23, 2019 16:44:12 GMT -5
That post is way too long so I'm not going to read the entire thing. The hilarious part is you are completely projecting. I've seen your wacky ass theories across multiple sites and you are just free-wheeling and drawing connections that are not there.
I have not shared my actual, grounded theory yet. Why? Because I only want to work with people who are local. If you have never set foot in San Francisco, never walked its streets, you have a zero percent chance of figuring this out. It is YOU who misses the entire point. You're delusional. You're the one sitting on Google Earth with absolutely no clue what areas of the city "smell sweet" besides FLOWERS! CHOCOLATE!
My being "new" to this puzzle has nothing to do with it. I'm not going to flaunt my qualifications. But anybody with a rational mind is going to read the shit you post and know you're one of "those people."
I asked for you to rationally explain the remainder of the poem and how it coincides with your theory, and you went on some tirade defending your "third part of the puzzle". None of the other puzzles require the other portions of the book to solve, so now you're just grasping at straws.
Thank you for shining some light on why these things are so difficult to find - because the collaborator pool consists of people like you. Lesson learned.
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Post by choice on Nov 23, 2019 17:04:33 GMT -5
This is typical with the online forums, things start cordial and things get done then clash of personalities ensue; like an episode of 'itchy and scratchy' show. To quote from a famous philosopher, can't we all just get along?!
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Post by sfsean on Nov 23, 2019 17:11:16 GMT -5
This is typical with the online forums, things start cordial and things get done then clash of personalities ensue; like an episode of 'itchy and scratchy' show. To quote from a famous philosopher, can't we all just get along?! I mean, all I've really done is ask for him to fill the gaping hole in his theories or to address the facts that he simply chooses to ignore. If we're going to make actual progress, there's no time or energy for cognitive dissonance. "Progress" isn't progress if we're in the wrong place. It could very well be in Aquatic Park, I'm just pointing out that this solution would be very outside the lines of what we know from the other 3 solves.
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 23, 2019 19:50:49 GMT -5
ha, outside the lines is home for me. ya know, i was dead solid on my MRB solve, but now realize it may only be a waypoint. the art matches i have for that beach, well, it feels like Byron stood there, the split rock and the shoulder profile. almost as strong as Aquatic Park area. almost, because i love the black point reference. i have stared at her darn hands for hours. i felt that finger was more important than just pointing to something else but did not know why. i was thinking it meant a decimal point to improve coordinates. i am not convinced it is at the speaker tower, but my teammates are. they perceive something i dont, just like i can see into the art, well i have not convinced them of that yet.😎 we are not at a wrong place. we are at a significant place, perhaps just a waypoint, and we need to suck all the clues, ambiguous or not, out of the area. if that results in a casque, great. if not, then why did he take us there? Lincoln Park and Lands End, almost as strong. Then there are the 30+ years GGP enthusiasts. Again some strong matches along with ambiguity. and Chinatown. nobody and no place is right or wrong, yet. byron knew the city. maybe he is taking us on a tour of his favorite places. connect the dots, or a dirty harry tour. that would be appropriate for the later movies timeframe. or the Barbary Coast walking trail? hmmmm. how close was the Freedom Trail in Boston to the casque? hmmmm. too complex? me, i am going back to 1982. i am getting a city map, cork board and colored pins and doing some prospecting. this tour thing is stuck in my head. i will keep it to myself.🤯🤫 btw, i just figured out how to overlay images, so working on SF and NYC now. i will post images if anything makes sense. onward.
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Post by sfsean on Nov 23, 2019 20:10:34 GMT -5
ha, outside the lines is home for me. ya know, i was dead solid on my MRB solve, but now realize it may only be a waypoint. the art matches i have for that beach, well, it feels like Byron stood there, the split rock and the shoulder profile. almost as strong as Aquatic Park area. almost, because i love the black point reference. i have stared at her darn hands for hours. i felt that finger was more important than just pointing to something else but did not know why. i was thinking it meant a decimal point to improve coordinates. i am not convinced it is at the speaker tower, but my teammates are. they perceive something i dont, just like i can see into the art, well i have not convinced them of that yet.😎 we are not at a wrong place. we are at a significant place, perhaps just a waypoint, and we need to suck all the clues, ambiguous or not, out of the area. if that results in a casque, great. if not, then why did he take us there? Lincoln Park and Lands End, almost as strong. Then there are the 30+ years GGP enthusiasts. Again some strong matches along with ambiguity. and Chinatown. nobody and no place is right or wrong, yet. byron knew the city. maybe he is taking us on a tour of his favorite places. connect the dots, or a dirty harry tour. that would be appropriate for the later movies timeframe. or the Barbary Coast walking trail? hmmmm. how close was the Freedom Trail in Boston to the casque? hmmmm. too complex? me, i am going back to 1982. i am getting a city map, cork board and colored pins and doing some prospecting. this tour thing is stuck in my head. i will keep it to myself.🤯🤫 btw, i just figured out how to overlay images, so working on SF and NYC now. i will post images if anything makes sense. onward. The Barbary Coast trail was not developed and implemented until after the casque was buried - I've been down that rabbit hole. There are triangles pointing north and south on each of the sidewalk symbols for this trail, so I thought I was onto something, but alas. I don't know if you've seen the woman's outline superimposed over the downtown area, but without adjusting the scale, it does generally line up with the right shoulder being Embarcadero, her bottom right wrist aligns with the small inlet near China Basin/the new(er) ball park area. For a bit there I was worried it was buried near China Basin, which would mean it almost certainly got destroyed as that entire area has been ripped up and renovated into luxury condos. In this alignment, the pearl sits almost exactly on the Aquatic Park/Fort Mason area. Depending how you stretch and rotate her, the fingers point in generally irrelevant places. The dragon's mouth consumes Lafayette Park. It's an interesting path I haven't discredited, merely because you don't have to modify the scaling of her arm to have it align with the downtown area.
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Post by choice on Nov 23, 2019 21:15:02 GMT -5
me, i am going back to 1982. i am getting a city map, cork board and colored pins and doing some prospecting. this tour thing is stuck in my head. i will keep it to myself.🤯🤫 Well, fireup the De Lorean and buy us a few fresh copies of the Secret! BTW bbi was kind to post a bunch of downloadable period maps: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Sd3XpHMBgmDKMnwY5M1-E1dC92wt2vXC
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 23, 2019 21:47:10 GMT -5
lmao. i needed that. hmmm symbols on the medallions, like on the cloak? Triangulation markers, the triangle with dot. damn now i am down that rabbit hole. i have mapped the official ones already. those will be red pins. i need to hit 88 mph to escape to Walmart for supplies in the morning. thanks so much for the map link.
i have had a great week and this was a huge part. my family thinks i am nuts so i am on an island here. wonder what they will think when the bulletin board goes up.🤣
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Post by choice on Nov 23, 2019 23:00:13 GMT -5
Sometimes I think BP grabbed this card at a gift shop or airport and basically tried to project the area in the painting. Here's the spot right by the cable car track, the cove/Alcatraz/backward Gh/Ace clock clearly visible. tinyurl.com/uxqezwuAlso checkout the arched space vetween the railing similar to the frame of the image. tinyurl.com/ta2gaxj
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 23, 2019 23:06:47 GMT -5
from what i see, that is exactly what was done, postcards, what i call cartoon tourist maps, photo negatives......all put on the canvas before JJP did his thing. my theory anyway.
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Post by sfsean on Nov 23, 2019 23:10:59 GMT -5
lmao. i needed that. hmmm symbols on the medallions, like on the cloak? Triangulation markers, the triangle with dot. damn now i am down that rabbit hole. i have mapped the official ones already. those will be red pins. i need to hit 88 mph to escape to Walmart for supplies in the morning. thanks so much for the map link. i have had a great week and this was a huge part. my family thinks i am nuts so i am on an island here. wonder what they will think when the bulletin board goes up.🤣 Yes, the markers for Barbary Coast trail have two triangles kinda like the ones on the dress/cloak. I'm actually warm on the idea of him having given us a small walking tour of the city. One thing to keep in mind... With Cleveland, Euclid Avenue/Bellflower were actually a small drive from where the Greek Cultural Garden is. I believe it's fair to say, there are a few clues in every picture/the first couple of lines in every verse that are meant to "originate", or give you a relative starting point. And then as the "path to the jewel" goes on, it gets more and more specific. I honestly don't know what took Cleveland so long. The painting has so many EXACT replicas of the surroundings that it was undeniable - and it was in Greek Cultural Garden, for the greek puzzle. And the verse has so many SPECIFIC directions. I'm so bitter that our most specific navigational information involves "Go north, but first across in jewel's direction." Thanks a lot Priess. That narrows it down. Can I get yall's thoughts on something? Both with "In jewel's direction" and "at stone wall's door" - he leaves out "THE". It doesn't say "At THE stone wall's door." In many other verses, when he designates a landmark or location, he almost always uses "A" or "The" to designate objects. Why doesn't it say "In the jewel's direction?" Do you think this implies that "stone wall" and "jewel" are metaphors? Proper nouns? The vagueness implies a more metaphorical meaning, and you know I'm a fan of literal interpretation.
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 23, 2019 23:16:53 GMT -5
nice. i will give it more thought but my first thought if not simply poetic license is word play. the place the casque is kept are the words i am clearly fixated on. i do believe words are deliberate. gotta anchor on something.
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Post by sfsean on Nov 23, 2019 23:37:37 GMT -5
nice. i will give it more thought but my first thought if not simply poetic license is word play. the place the casque is kept are the words i am clearly fixated on. i do believe words are deliberate. gotta anchor on something. That line, I'd lean more towards "poetic license". It makes a sexy rhyme that agrees with meter. "Giant pole, giant step, to the place, the cask is kept." Omitting articles from the stone wall or jewel, however, make for awkward wording and meter in my opinion. Especially "in jewel's direction". Is this even referring to the casque? And if so .... how would we know which direction that is? Or is it "Running north, but first across, in jewel's direction" - There's a cross, so the cross is the direction of the jewel, then go north at the cross? Things like that ^ I believe go with the "nature" of the mystery. It's just cryptic enough to be a riddle, but not overly convoluted to where we need satellite imagery to confirm
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 23, 2019 23:41:46 GMT -5
completely agree on meter. deliberate then. i smell a wascally wabbit! good nite!
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Post by sfsean on Nov 24, 2019 7:47:46 GMT -5
Hey guys, have an important question and it's actually regarding Slug's idea of it being buried out by Mile Rock.
What methods have you been coming up with for determining the "safe" place the casque would be buried in this situation? By water, under rocks, etc. The book explicitly states that all casques are underground - and it also says it will not be in a dangerous location. Would he have simply wanted us to wait for low tide to search? Would a casque/case even be retrievable under these conditions?
I know there was also all this talk about the shadow....what does this imply? Does it specify a certain direction from any landmarks? I'm interested in answers that don't require wacky triangulation, just a simple analysis of what the shadow potentially means.
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 24, 2019 11:29:14 GMT -5
good questions same ones i asked myself. the clues get me to MRB, but not to the exact dig spot. my thinking. tides change every 6 hours, 6 oclock on the clock? so i did not feel this was a dangerous location. the split rock symbol at bottom of cloak and at the beach hooked me. i thought about scouring or deposition of sand over the years. heck since it is on the pacific plate i researched the estimated movement....moves north 3 inches a year. wabbit! so, i followed all the lines of the verse with the art and that got me to MRB, the place. the split rock image depicted is only that visible at low tide. that is why i was thinking tides. the small cave there is interesting but i think the pyramid rock/split rock alignment is better. much less susceptible to tides. underground, buried. yep. vertical? the blue around the pearl may simply be the blue that is used to highlight the areas of interest or consideration. the shadow really bugs me though. like i am missing something obvious. must be a "Go home" in there somewhere.
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