drive to the first clue

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Feb 23, 2020 4:07:19 GMT -5 davebakedpotato said:

Dec 30, 2019 6:09:17 GMT -5 van said:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6E8Fu9wX2g

you start the chase by getting in your car an going to the first clue,

So BOTG starts at the first clue, or we need use a second mode of transportation once we get there.  Or there is information that we need to find at the first clue in order to move on (with our car) ...correct?  I need to start over....

I was going to post on this subject so I'll put a few thoughts here.

We know we drive to the first clue. We also know some people have been at or around the first two clues (side-note: these seem to come as a pair, e.g. the Little Girl from India can't get closer than them). There are some quotes that tell us that some were there but didn't realise the significance, i.e. it is possible to be there by accident.

I think on the balance of probabilities the first two clues are a place which quite a few people go to AND it is likely you can park there or nearby. My reasoning is if people mention a place to Forrest or send him a picture, it's going to be somewhere they stopped at, not drove past. There would also be a reason for stopping there.

So hold that thought.

Option 2 appears to be that the first two clues give us a location to start a driven journey from. In order for that to be true you need a direction to go in and either a stopping point or a distance to travel. From the poem we could use NFBTFTW as some sort of vague distance and/or hint at driving, in which case it appears we stop at HoB.

So here's my analysis:

Option 2 (park at HoB) has a few issues.
First, if you can drive to it, it is possible to find it without having solved the preceeding two or three clues. Forrest has mentioned that people shouldn't be driving up and down roads looking for the blaze, presumably this applies to other clues after WWH too.

Forrest said you have to find WWH. If you can drive to HoB, why not cut the poem short of a few clues? He also said you have to follow the clues in order. Have to. If you have to, then it is not possible to shortcut any parts.

Also, he said he followed the clues when he hid the treasure. Why not just drive straight to HoB (unless WWH is on the way anyway)?.

In addition, even with >300k searchers, he has never said 'some folks were at HoB' either on purpose or by accident. If there's a parking spot at HoB and someone mentioned they were there, it would be weird (but not impossible) if he said some people were at WWH but not that some people were at HoB.

I'll mention again that NFBTFTW can't be a specific distance mentioned in books after TTOTC since Forrest couldn't be sure those books would even be written or published, i.e. he could have passed away after publishing TTOTC.

So option 2, park at HoB has some serious issues for me.

So let's consider option 1, park at WWH. It doesn't suffer the issues of option2 above, however...

If it's a relatively popular place to park/stop, that makes it difficult to use as a base to transfer over $1m of gold and other valuables from, doesn't it? I guess you could turn up, see cars there, and go away until they leave. Even so it's a risky endeavour when returning for the second load. I believe there is a quote somewhere that says Forrest was relieved that the parking place was deserted when he went (or words to that effect). So even this stacks up.


How likely is it that Forrest starts a poem with clues that lead us to a spot where people stop, and we don't stop there?


(Less compelling) What do the 500ft searchers tell us about the scale of the poem?


Therefore, overall it seems more likely to me (say 80/20) that we park at WWH rather than HoB. There may also be other options, but these are the two front-runners I think.

So if my reasoning is correct:

Park at WWH, the rest of the journey is on foot. WWH is a place where people stop with some regularity, maybe even some kind of touristy place.

I know there are some decent searchers that think the opposite, I would only say that I welcome any logical criticism that is not of the type 'my pet solution says you stop at HoB, therefore you're wrong'

This makes so much good sense
I think (begin it) is when you open the car door and get out.
Your exposed out in the open on foot Some place where warm Waters halt for pictures or another reason unknown.
And (take it) possibly the opposite direction the public goes (Take it) across the street and there's two canyons to choose #1 not far #2 too far
Choose the too far and this is the moment your (in There) as he went in there. Down in there is some home of brown and the treasure is put in there below.
It's no place for the meek (slowly approaching possibly scared seeing something strange) but the end is close or nigh.there should be water visible don't go to the water stop look for source either up or ahead being wise and find the blaze.

[davebakedpotato]

Feb 23, 2020 11:17:48 GMT -5 goldilocks said:

Feb 23, 2020 4:07:19 GMT -5 davebakedpotato said:

So if my reasoning is correct:

Park at WWH, the rest of the journey is on foot. WWH is a place where people stop with some regularity, maybe even some kind of touristy place.

I know there are some decent searchers that think the opposite, I would only say that I welcome any logical criticism that is not of the type 'my pet solution says you stop at HoB, therefore you're wrong'

Hi Dave,
Very logical thought process parking at wwwh and that it may be a publicly visited place. What if however, wwwh is a train stop, and we need to take it a stop or 2 and then continue on with the clues? I guess I can't make the leap that from wwwh the rest of the journey is on foot. 

If that's the case, how do you know where to get off the train? Name a train stop you can't park at (a halt?).

All the above still applies, you probably get off at the Home of Brown, which must be a train stop, and it must be identifiable as the Home of Brown to the searcher. So what's to stop you driving straight to that stop rather than WWH? Would Forrest take a pointless trip on public transport with $1m dollars worth of gold and jewels?

I don't buy it.

[dalby2020]

Put in = place = station

also: search for uses of "put in".
One that comes up is "put in train"' meaning to set things in motion.

also (related to another thread): can anyone think of a scenario in which lines connect things and have crossings?

[Jenny]

It's possible the home of Brown can only be recognized as such, if you have followed the clues. If you didn't start at WWWH, the home of Brown is just some random or common feature of nature/man. But if you have followed the clues, started at WWWH, then you would realize the possibility for a location to be the home of Brown referred to in Forrest's poem.

[Jenny]

Forrest has somewhat said you could find hoB first, though.... mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/

Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor

Thanks for the question Ben.
If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f

[Jenny]

Feb 23, 2020 15:17:10 GMT -5 Jenny said:

Forrest has somewhat said you could find hoB first, though.... mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/

Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor

Thanks for the question Ben.
If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f

What always got me with that Q/A is it sounds like the Home of Brown is where the Treasure is. This is possible depending on how you interpret the clues in the poem.

We are told to 'put in below' the home of Brown. That home of Brown might be the treasure location, and we need to go 'up' to it/hoB.


If hoB is only one of the clues, why might searchers throw in some gas money for some of the take--- unless the location of the hoB is where the Chest is at.

[davebakedpotato]

Feb 23, 2020 15:05:21 GMT -5 dalby2020 said:

Put in = place = station

also: search for uses of "put in".
One that comes up is "put in train"' meaning to set things in motion.

also (related to another thread): can anyone think of a scenario in which lines connect things and have crossings?

Telephone lines / crossed lines.
Noughts and crosses.
Train lines.
Crosswords.
Lattitude and longitude.
Roads.

[davebakedpotato]

Feb 23, 2020 15:12:56 GMT -5 Jenny said:

It's possible the home of Brown can only be recognized as such, if you have followed the clues. If you didn't start at WWWH, the home of Brown is just some random or common feature of nature/man. But if you have followed the clues, started at WWWH, then you would realize the possibility for a location to be the home of Brown referred to in Forrest's poem.

Can you give an example? I can't think of one, which is more a weakness of my imagination than it is of the point you are making.

[seannm]

Separate the where from the warm waters halt, and then maybe you can begin to understand the riddle of the primary clue in the poem.

Begin it where

warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown.

From there.....

The poetic format of the poem tends to compartmentalize one's thoughts. 

But go ahead and tell me again how I'm not supposed to mess with the poem, its amusing. 

Seannm

[davebakedpotato]

Feb 23, 2020 15:22:56 GMT -5 Jenny said:

Feb 23, 2020 15:17:10 GMT -5 Jenny said:

Forrest has somewhat said you could find hoB first, though.... mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/

Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor

Thanks for the question Ben.
If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f

What always got me with that Q/A is it sounds like the Home of Brown is where the Treasure is. This is possible depending on how you interpret the clues in the poem.

We are told to 'put in below' the home of Brown. That home of Brown might be the treasure location, and we need to go 'up' to it/hoB.


If hoB is only one of the clues, why might searchers throw in some gas money for some of the take--- unless the location of the hoB is where the Chest is at.

I always took the second part of his answer as very tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic. "SURE you could. And get people to throw in gas money while you're there".

[Jenny]

Feb 23, 2020 15:37:05 GMT -5 davebakedpotato said:

Feb 23, 2020 15:22:56 GMT -5 Jenny said:

What always got me with that Q/A is it sounds like the Home of Brown is where the Treasure is. This is possible depending on how you interpret the clues in the poem.

We are told to 'put in below' the home of Brown. That home of Brown might be the treasure location, and we need to go 'up' to it/hoB.


If hoB is only one of the clues, why might searchers throw in some gas money for some of the take--- unless the location of the hoB is where the Chest is at.

I always took the second part of his answer as very tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic. "SURE you could. And get people to throw in gas money while you're there".

Maybe... but don't you think the place could be reverse engineered? I would think it could be, so I took his answer as being sincere.....

[edgewalker]

Feb 23, 2020 15:44:30 GMT -5 Jenny said:

Feb 23, 2020 15:37:05 GMT -5 davebakedpotato said:

I always took the second part of his answer as very tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic. "SURE you could. And get people to throw in gas money while you're there".

Maybe... but don't you think the place could be reverse engineered? I would think it could be, so I took his answer as being sincere.....

Maybe. But I think any solution reverse engineered would appear to be constructed by the lowest bidder.

[Jenny]

I personally don't think you can determine the hoB before knowing WWWH. However, that wasn't the question. It was WHAT IF you did, then could you discover WWWH? To me, Forrest said, sure, as in of course you could- in that WHAT IF scenario.

[seannm]

Feb 23, 2020 15:50:12 GMT -5 edgewalker said:

Feb 23, 2020 15:44:30 GMT -5 Jenny said:

Maybe... but don't you think the place could be reverse engineered? I would think it could be, so I took his answer as being sincere.....

Maybe. But I think any solution reverse engineered would appear to be constructed by the lowest bidder.

Jenny,


No need to reverse engineer, as warm waters halt is not the starting location because it is only a portion or oversimplification of the "first" clue. And according to Forrest: “it’s not just a sentence, it’s a craft”

lummifilm.com/AUDIO/doug.mp3



Once again: the poetic format of the directions tends to compartmentalize one's thoughts, and this may have been intentional. 


Seannm

[davebakedpotato]

Feb 23, 2020 15:44:30 GMT -5 Jenny said:

Feb 23, 2020 15:37:05 GMT -5 davebakedpotato said:

I always took the second part of his answer as very tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic. "SURE you could. And get people to throw in gas money while you're there".

Maybe... but don't you think the place could be reverse engineered? I would think it could be, so I took his answer as being sincere.....

You're probably right - it would be a bit naughty to say you're going to answer a question then respond with sarcasm. I guess you could reverse engineer from HoB, but I think the subtext of what Forrest is saying is it's not really likely you would find HoB without first finding WWH. Seems like if you have HoB you are well on your way to the chest.