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Post by pumalion on Feb 1, 2020 11:15:16 GMT -5
Speaking of border codes, are we in agreement that the animal painting with the triangles in the border is a simple substitution cipher? There has been some difference of opinion as to what it spells or if it really is a clue. Thoughts? Morpheus, could you explain your question? Are you saying that the dolphins (animals) in the Neptune image are coded symbols? Or something in the border - the pattern in the frame or the words around the edges? - are coded messages?
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Post by morpheus221 on Feb 1, 2020 14:04:20 GMT -5
Speaking of border codes, are we in agreement that the animal painting with the triangles in the border is a simple substitution cipher? There has been some difference of opinion as to what it spells or if it really is a clue. Thoughts? Morpheus, could you explain your question? Are you saying that the dolphins (animals) in the Neptune image are coded symbols? Or something in the border - the pattern in the frame or the words around the edges? - are coded messages? Hi There. Yes. I made a mistake. I meant to specify Neptune painting and was specifically referencing the triangles. There have been past discussions that each section of triangles codes a letter via simple substitution. There has always been some debate on how many triangles (do we count half triangles?) and subsequently which letters are coded. Just wanted to hear everyone’s thoughts. It’s definitely worth breaking this one down. Some parts are more ambiguous than others. My interpretation: “PATH CALLED” AACHLDETPL. Only used full triangles in each section, breaks had to intervene across entire boarder
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Post by minotaurmoreno on Feb 23, 2020 21:44:34 GMT -5
------------------------------- Treasure World Interview -------------------------------Interviewer: "... Okay there's a master riddle, right? Okay now, is each separate, like I Meet an Extremely Strange Man, okay is there smaller puzzles within the master puzzle? Or is it just one big puzzle?"Pel Stockwell: "Is there a smaller riddle within the master riddle?"Interviewer: "Is there smaller riddles within the master, to make the master?"Pel Stockwell: "Yes, oh yes. They're different components that all feed into the master riddle."Interviewer: "So it takes a riddle to solve the riddle."Pel Stockwell: "Yes. They’re multiple components so, and you may have already, you’ll come across different things, and by themselves they're not going to reveal the treasure. In conjunction with other components, they will."-------------------------- Primary Takeaway -------------------------- Solve all of the minor riddles throughout the book and they then somehow combined to form the Master Riddle to solve.--------------------------------------------------- Solved Minor Riddles Using All Illustrations ---------------------------------------------------Stars (per Color):Blue = Numbers Pink = OPE Red = RIDLDE Yellow = TREUSRE Orange = HIDFEN = "Numbers open hidden treasure riddle" --This tells us how to start initially solving the other minor riddles, IMO.Blue Letter Words:"PACE FORTY SOUTH" --Likely used later for the Master Riddle, IMORed Letter Words: --Potentially used later for the Master Riddle, IMO1-ISLAND 2-NEPTUNE 3-KEY 4-CHANCE 5-ECHO 6-REFLECTION 7-NORTH 8-DREAMS 9-MAP 10-FIRE 11-DESTINY 12-WISDOM 13-MOUNTAIN 14-HARBOR 15-FUTURE 16-LOVE-------------------------------------------------------- Minor Riddles w/ #'s Per Individual Illustration --------------------------------------------------------Illustration 1: No #'s, so minor riddle answer found differently Illustration 2: 1653 = AFEC = "Face"Illustration 3: Elevation #'s to potentially solve Illustration 4: No #'s, so minor riddle answer found differently Illustration 5: Newspaper #'s to potentially solve (Use Illustration #3 to help decode)- 11(E) - 3(H) - 14(R) - 17(AS) - 16(QU) - 19(C) - x - 0(x) - 18(M) - 13(A) -15(E) - 9(IN) - - 1(T) - 4(X) - 12(D)
0(x) - 1(T) - 3(H) - 4(X) - 9(IN) - 11(E) - 12(D) - 13(A) - 14(R) - 15(E) - 16(QU) - 17(AS) - 18(M) - 19(C) xTHxIN_EAREQUASM_C tniH_edaeruqsaM_C (C Masqureade Hint backwards) C Masqureade Hint (reversed) = "To do my work, I appointed four men from twenty, the tallest and the fattest, and the righteous follow the sinister." (reverse)
Illustration 6: License plate and camera #'s to potentially solve Illustration 7: Buoy #'s to potentially solve Illustration 8: No #'s, so minor riddle answer found differently Illustration 9: (Use Illustration #13 to help decode)- Orange (Yellow+Red) Book ISBN #: 014029828; Actual: 0140250948; 50948 = E_IDH = "Hide"
Yellow Book = VEDERY ER = "Red Eye RV" or "Every Red" Red Book(s) = LD ATLAS, ND OS = ? - Elevation #'s to potentially solve
Illustration 10: No #'s, so minor riddle answer found differently Illustration 11: Roman numerals to potentially solve (Use Illustration #3 to help decode)Illustration 12: Paper w/ #'s on wall to potentially solve (will be surprised if this illustration isn't important, as their grandma was catalyst for the book) - 8(E) - 16(H) - 5(R) - 2(AS) - 3(QU) - 0(C) - (x) - 19(x) - 1(M) - 6(A) - 4(E) - 10(IN) - X - 18(T) - 15(X) - 7(D)
0(C) - 1(M) - 2(AS) - 3(QU) - 4(E) - 5(R) - 6(A) - 7(D) - 8(E) - 10(IN) - 15(X) - 16(H) - 18(T) - 19(x) C_Masquerade_INxHTx C Masqureade Hint = "To do my work, I appointed four men from twenty, the tallest and the fattest, and the righteous follow the sinister."
Illustration 13: - 131491 = "ACADIA"
Blue Signs 1st Letter = "Red" Red Signs 1st Letter = "Yellow" Yellow Signs 1st Letter = "Book" Mile distance on signs to potentially solve
Illustration 14: No #'s, so minor riddle answer found differently Illustration 15: No #'s, so minor riddle answer found differently Illustration 16: No #'s, so minor riddle answer found differently *Note: Some of the minor riddles seem to help solve the other minor riddles in the book, IMO.
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Post by justaboutnormal on Feb 24, 2020 12:53:51 GMT -5
so can anyone tell me where "NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREASURE RIDDLE" came from and by whom?
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Post by pumalion on Feb 24, 2020 14:53:26 GMT -5
so can anyone tell me where "NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREASURE RIDDLE" came from and by whom? I don't know who was the first to post it. A good bit of the Fandango discussion started in a forum called Tweleve but people had so much trouble getting approved for membership there that a lot of the discussion has come over to this website.
In a nutshell, the stars in the borders (usually corners, but not always) of the Fandango illustrations have colored points. I believe the technique that worked was to look for two points of the same color on one star. Align those points to create a line to a letter.
The resulting letters would be jumbled unless you put them in order within their color grouping. In other words, all letters picked out by orange star points in one group; all picked out by yellow star points in another group, etc. The five words of the apparent message "numbers ope hidfen treasure riddle" are revealed when each color grouping is separated.
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Post by astree on Feb 24, 2020 15:08:04 GMT -5
. I think it was by using different stars on the same page whose arms were the same color and pointed to the same letter in the border
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Post by thedawailey on Feb 24, 2020 15:23:00 GMT -5
so can anyone tell me where "NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREASURE RIDDLE" came from and by whom? I don't know who was the first to post it. A good bit of the Fandango discussion started in a forum called Tweleve but people had so much trouble getting approved for membership there that a lot of the discussion has come over to this website.
In a nutshell, the stars in the borders (usually corners, but not always) of the Fandango illustrations have colored points. I believe the technique that worked was to look for two points of the same color on one star. Align those points to create a line to a letter.
The resulting letters would be jumbled unless you put them in order within their color grouping. In other words, all letters picked out by orange star points in one group; all picked out by yellow star points in another group, etc. The five words of the apparent message "numbers ope hidfen treasure riddle" are revealed when each color grouping is separated.
They took the 1,2,3,4,5 from the old lady's square and looked for star points of those colors - 1 (blue), 2 (pink), 3 (orange), 4 (yellow), and 5 (red) then found words spelled from star points of those colors.
Look for two stars on the same page that have the same color point pointing to a letter. Here are a few examples for the blue word, NUMBERS
Page 7: Upper right and lower right stars have blue points that each point to the letter N in HAND.
Page 11: Upper right and lower right stars have blue points that each point to the U of MEASURE.
Page 17: Upper left and upper right stars have blue points that each point to the letter M of NUMBERS Page 30: Upper right and lower right stars have blue points that each point to the letter B of GLOBE Page 40: Upper left and lower left stars have blue points that each point to the letter E of THE
Each page may have multiple letters selected using different stars and different colors. The important thing is that points of the same color from TWO different stars point to the same letter. If only one point hits a letter, it doesn't spell anything - it will be a jumble of letters. And as puma lion pointed out, keep them grouped by their color or it won't make any sense.
There are a few places where there has been some discussion about whether to include a letter or not. Mostly it is from the pages with roughly painted stars - the Criss-Cross page, the Indian page and the last, Two Together page. If you leave out any letters obtained from these pages, you get NUMBERS (blue), OPE (pink), HIDEN (orange), TREUSRE (yellow), and RIDLDE (red). If you include an orange F from the Indian page, HIDEN becomes HIDFEN. I don't know whether this is important to the overall message, but there has been some discussion about this. NUMBERS is the only word that is spelled correctly. All the others are either missing letters &/or some of the letters are out of order.
I think a few people had worked out parts of this, but I think stvwz was the first to post it in full on tweleve under the heading "The Star Code".
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Post by goldhunter on Feb 24, 2020 15:51:36 GMT -5
NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREASURE RIDDLE
FWIW...just wondering why does the author go to the trouble of including "hidden" in the sentence. Why not numbers open treasure riddle.
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Post by thedawailey on Feb 24, 2020 16:09:42 GMT -5
NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREASURE RIDDLE FWIW...just wondering why does the author go to the trouble of including "hidden" in the sentence. Why not numbers open treasure riddle. Maybe because the first letters spell NORTH. Or, numbers open the riddle to the hidden treasure. Just a few guesses.
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Post by Jenny on Feb 24, 2020 16:22:32 GMT -5
Here's an image of some of the Star Points to letters to demonstrate.......
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Post by goldhunter on Feb 24, 2020 19:32:05 GMT -5
NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREASURE RIDDLE FWIW...just wondering why does the author go to the trouble of including "hidden" in the sentence. Why not numbers open treasure riddle. Maybe because the first letters spell NORTH. Or, numbers open the riddle to the hidden treasure. Just a few guesses.
Yeah, I think you're right.
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Post by Jenny on Feb 25, 2020 9:05:24 GMT -5
NORTH suggests the words should be read as:
Numbers Open Riddle Treasure Hidden
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Post by thedawailey on Feb 25, 2020 10:16:17 GMT -5
NORTH suggests the words should be read as: Numbers Open Riddle Treasure Hidden Jenny
I agree, but then the question is, why didn't they just put the colors in that order so it would read out NORTH? Why make it come out NOHTR? And why misspell all the words?
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Post by astree on Feb 25, 2020 12:15:07 GMT -5
NORTH suggests the words should be read as: Numbers Open Riddle Treasure Hidden Jenny
I agree, but then the question is, why didn't they just put the colors in that order so it would read out NORTH? Why make it come out NOHTR? And why misspell all the words? Possibilities: 1) this is a tease / red herring that looks like it should be something, but isnt 2) the words arent misspelled 3) the authors made a few mistakes If you look at the post Jenny made, p. 5, the letters are HR (hour). These same letters are on row 1 of the p. 11 grid. other images ... UR ... you are.... IM... I am .... The OE on p. 19 is very interesting, because of the 33, and the line Jenny shows looks like the Masonic square and "compass". I think I found the OE at least one other independent way. I think there are some good information that can be taken from this star technique, but as far as I know, it is one of many ways to get the data
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Post by pumalion on Apr 13, 2020 12:21:42 GMT -5
mysteriouswritings.com/components-needed-to-find-the-golden-key-in-the-fandango-armchair-treasure-hunt/In an early interview with Pel Stockwell (transcript in sticky here), mentioned the following: “There are multiple components so, and you may have already, you’ll come across different things, and by themselves they’re not going to reveal the treasure. But in conjunction with other components, they will.”He also stated, when asked if there were smaller riddles to make the Master Riddle: “Yes, oh yes. They are different components that all feed into the Master Riddle.”
So, what might these components be? And how are they put together to discover the location of the hidden treasure? One approach I have considered on and off is that there is a sentence somewhere that is a "key." This sentence might hold anagrams that direct us to a place in each chapter that reveals part of the solution, in the manner of the "Catherine's Long Finger ... " solution for Masquerade.
I believe that border phrases surrounding three illustrations hold all the letters of the term "master riddle." I realize that the only reference to a "master riddle" is on p. 58, so it seems like a leap of faith to assume that phrase is a key to the solution. But the word "key" seems too short and too obvious to be the answer.
Pages 7, 11 and 30 (Neptune, Hidden Away and Harley Quinn) are the borders that contain all of the letters from "master riddle." I would be interested to discuss possible next steps, if anyone thinks an anagram of one or more of these border phrases seems like a worthwhile approach.
I like the Neptune illustration as a possible source of a "key" because the authors show us the key and the treasure chest together in this illustration. The lock on the treasure chest may also provide guidance - even if it just tells us that there are four different ways to "unlock" the treasure, or that we will have to go through four steps in combination to unlock the treasure. The interpretation of the lock on the chest could be valid even without the anagram idea, of course. I'm just trying to start with a toehold.
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