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Post by seannm on Jan 19, 2020 10:21:30 GMT -5
For those unfamiliar with what seanm is referring to with the 'the' and 'a' difference. In Cynthia's book is written: "He (Forrest) sternly told me then I had to learn to read the poem. I (Cynthia) had read ever word. Then he asked me what is the difference between the word 'the' and the word 'a'? ...... he explained, 'The word 'a' is plural and the word 'the' is singular. @seanm, please feel free to join in the discussions, instead of just throwing bait. Jenny, Let's just say that I have arrived at the realization that this is Forrest Fenn's game, and he can play it however he wishes from his current position, but that immediately changes once a searcher finds the treasure. The final chapter, of this story, is not yet written. Seannm |
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Post by goldilocks on Jan 19, 2020 10:34:42 GMT -5
For those unfamiliar with what seanm is referring to with the 'the' and 'a' difference. In Cynthia's book is written: "He (Forrest) sternly told me then I had to learn to read the poem. I (Cynthia) had read ever word. Then he asked me what is the difference between the word 'the' and the word 'a'? ...... he explained, 'The word 'a' is plural and the word 'the' is singular. @seanm, please feel free to join in the discussions, instead of just throwing bait. Jenny, Let's just say that I have arrived at the realization that this is Forrest Fenn's game, and he can play it however he wishes from his current position, but that immediately changes once a searcher finds the treasure. The final chapter, of this story, is not yet written. Seannm If I had to read between the lines, which apparently I have to because it isn't clear how your comment explains the "a" and "the" exchange between Cynthia and Forrest, I would say that you are disappointed how Forrest seemingly gives out information or at least clarifications to his words behind the scenes. I do not believe anything Forrest says in private is that helpful and I trust that he would not play favoritism to any searcher. |
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Post by richard on Jan 19, 2020 12:02:36 GMT -5
Forrest stated in the interview posted that he looked up all the nouns in the poem and the dictionary and that many of them had different definitions that he didn't know. Did he do that before or after writing the poem? If after he used them ,does that suggest we should use the more common definitions, and don't get extreme on any? It's apparent he would have had to have the poem written first. It is not apparent though whether or not if it was in it's final form to what he is talking about. I believe IMHO that it was it's final form, and he did not change it to keep it hard to decipher. Remember Forrest has said that sometimes he makes up words to complete his thought, or use's words that are boarder line to their meanings. |
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Post by Jenny on Jan 20, 2020 13:35:58 GMT -5
Did he do that before or after writing the poem? If after he used them ,does that suggest we should use the more common definitions, and don't get extreme on any? It's apparent he would have had to have the poem written first. It is not apparent though whether or not if it was in it's final form to what he is talking about. I believe IMHO that it was it's final form, and he did not change it to keep it hard to decipher. Remember Forrest has said that sometimes he makes up words to complete his thought, or use's words that are boarder line to their meanings. I was wondering if he wrote it (in final form), and then realized after the many meanings to his words...... if he didn't change his words (which he might not have because of the rhyming used), then those off the wall definitions might not be applicable to the words of the poem.....(assuming Forrest didn't know those off the wall definitions when writing the poem and didn't change them after)... but best to keep all options open unless confirmations are found to do otherwise.... |
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Post by seannm on Jan 20, 2020 14:12:50 GMT -5
It's apparent he would have had to have the poem written first. It is not apparent though whether or not if it was in it's final form to what he is talking about. I believe IMHO that it was it's final form, and he did not change it to keep it hard to decipher. Remember Forrest has said that sometimes he makes up words to complete his thought, or use's words that are boarder line to their meanings. I was wondering if he wrote it (in final form), and then realized after the many meanings to his words...... if he didn't change his words (which he might not have because of the rhyming used), then those off the wall definitions might not be applicable to the words of the poem.....(assuming Forrest didn't know those off the wall definitions when writing the poem and didn't change them after)... but best to keep all options open unless confirmations are found to do otherwise.... Jenny & Richard, I look at it as while Forrest knew the exact area maybe down to small spot that is/was specia for reason we can only speculate. He may not have know the exact 12” x 12” hole, crevice or crack to stick it in or upon. Now your opinion/interpretation may vary based upon what you think the blaze is or based upon things Forrest may have said to you in a private conversation, email or even publicly. But it is possible that once he arrived to that spot the day he hid the treasure he then selected that final 12” x 12” resting spot and only then upon returning home could he then finalize the poem based upon that final selected spot. Just my thoughts and opinion. And yes I’m aware of the “exact spot being the same” Q & A, but much like Forrest’s questioning of the definition of area, spot can be subjective based upon ones perspective. Seannm |
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Post by rahrah on Jan 20, 2020 14:12:59 GMT -5
Did he do that before or after writing the poem? If after he used them ,does that suggest we should use the more common definitions, and don't get extreme on any? It's apparent he would have had to have the poem written first. It is not apparent though whether or not if it was in it's final form to what he is talking about. I believe IMHO that it was it's final form, and he did not change it to keep it hard to decipher. Remember Forrest has said that sometimes he makes up words to complete his thought, or use's words that are boarder line to their meanings. Why would he have had to have the poem written first? He knew the location and was going to make it work no matter what, if anything he had to make the poem work to the location. He also needed the poem to be difficult, but not impossible. The destination never changes in the working out of the poem, but the words chosen likely did change along the way, progressively becoming more obscure - but remaining accurate to get you there - so it was finally difficult, but not impossible from Fenn's perspective. |
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Post by richard on Jan 20, 2020 20:29:28 GMT -5
IMHO he would have had to have had the poem written before, elsewise how could he know which nouns to use or not use. Like I said he may have reworked it after an initial draft. I believe he not only knew the area , but also knew it's history, which he incorporated into the solve for the poem. He has stated that sometimes he makes up words that point to his thought process. In his hidden hints I believe you can find those words and use them in the general solution for the poem. It is also my opinion that he does not make up words that don't actually exist, but conjoins two or more words to express his idea.
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Post by rahrah on Jan 20, 2020 22:17:26 GMT -5
IMHO he would have had to have had the poem written before, elsewise how could he know which nouns to use or not use. Like I said he may have reworked it after an initial draft. I believe he not only knew the area , but also knew it's history, which he incorporated into the solve for the poem. He has stated that sometimes he makes up words that point to his thought process. In his hidden hints I believe you can find those words and use them in the general solution for the poem. It is also my opinion that he does not make up words that don't actually exist, but conjoins two or more words to express his idea. So then you believe Fenn lied when he said, "*I could have written the poem before I hid the treasure chest, but I didn’t. f" (Weekly Words, October 14, 2016)? |
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Post by richard on Jan 20, 2020 23:24:57 GMT -5
Never said any such thing, Forrest said he had an earlier version of the poem which means he had it written before he hid it. Don't place words on me I didn't say. Just because this site say's your God doesn't mean you are.
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Post by Jenny on Jan 21, 2020 6:30:09 GMT -5
(SIDENOTE: There is only one God....That was a proboards default..... but I just changed that status to GOLD for now....)
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Post by astree on Jan 21, 2020 6:40:27 GMT -5
For those unfamiliar with what seanm is referring to with the 'the' and 'a' difference. In Cynthia's book is written: "He (Forrest) sternly told me then I had to learn to read the poem. I (Cynthia) had read ever word. Then he asked me what is the difference between the word 'the' and the word 'a'? ...... he explained, 'The word 'a' is plural and the word 'the' is singular. If the quote is accurate, but it seems like forest could be pulling one of his word tricks, and using the concept of opposites again. “a” would normally be considered singular, “the” could go either way it seems. Something like “thee” would be singular, and the first word of the poem is “a’s”. ( there are some posts on the plural use of A’s ). Some more context on the discussion with Cynthia might be helpful |
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Post by richard on Jan 21, 2020 11:18:48 GMT -5
(SIDENOTE: There is only one God....That was a proboards default..... but I just changed that status to GOLD for now....) Thank you Jenny, as a Christian man I was offended by that title. as an American I tolerated it. |
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Post by richard on Jan 21, 2020 11:31:37 GMT -5
For those unfamiliar with what seanm is referring to with the 'the' and 'a' difference. In Cynthia's book is written: "He (Forrest) sternly told me then I had to learn to read the poem. I (Cynthia) had read ever word. Then he asked me what is the difference between the word 'the' and the word 'a'? ...... he explained, 'The word 'a' is plural and the word 'the' is singular. If the quote is accurate, but it seems like forest could be pulling one of his word tricks, and using the concept of opposites again. “a” would normally be considered singular, “the” could go either way it seems. Something like “thee” would be singular, and the first word of the poem is “a’s”. ( there are some posts on the plural use of A’s ). Some more context on the discussion with Cynthia might be helpful The use of "a" and "the" is strictly a perspective form. The use of "The" implies a more personal aspect, where as "a" is more general, depending on it's use. For instance I own the car, specific to a car. I own a car, general, you own a car with out saying which car you own. The sun is big, a specific sun,/ A sun is big, a sun somewhere is big, or all suns are big in relation to their size. The, is specific / A, is general. |
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Post by chesttroll on Jan 21, 2020 23:43:29 GMT -5
(SIDENOTE: There is only one God....That was a proboards default..... but I just changed that status to GOLD for now....) LOL, I thought it was a reference to the sun god RAH, if that's how you spell it  |
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Post by rahrah on Jan 22, 2020 0:57:14 GMT -5
(SIDENOTE: There is only one God....That was a proboards default..... but I just changed that status to GOLD for now....) LOL, I thought it was a reference to the sun god RAH, if that's how you spell it I still have no idea what you're all talking about? I've never claimed to be "God", and my nickname really is RahRah (my niece and nephew started calling me that when they were toddlers since they couldn't pronounce my name, and it stuck). |
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