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Post by zaphod73491 on Mar 24, 2020 19:29:35 GMT -5
Hi Jenny: it's not hard to construct situations where that wouldn't be the case, and Forrest may even hint at why on the back side of the map in TFTW:
"I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did."
It's not necessarily true that the dependent clause following the comma is exclusive of the independent clause preceding it. The path may not be direct for anyone: including those with certainty of the location. Rocky Mountain geography can force indirect paths, and when paths are indirect, line-of-sight distances may not always be decreasing as you work your way through the clues.
Hi zaphod73491 Can I ask you a question? How do you see the poem? Is it a precise recipe that from the beginning to the end using all the ingredients results in a unmistakable final product? And this product walks a searcher within 12' and still would 1000 years from now with no problems and especially drafted to hold no guessing involved? I see the poem as a set of step-by-step directions/instructions leading to the treasure location.
"Is it a precise recipe that from the beginning to the end using all the ingredients results in a unmistakable final product?"
I think I could only answer that honestly if I was holding the chest. ;-) But I certainly believe the starting point is very precise, the direction to go from there unambiguous, and the place to "put in" also clearly indicated with no guessing involved. If my understanding of the poem's "end game" is correct, then the instructions will take me to within several steps of the hiding place, and they would do so for the foreseeable future. In other words, none of the clues are in any imminent danger of damage, removal, obsolescence or destruction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 19:55:09 GMT -5
Hi zaphod73491 Can I ask you a question? How do you see the poem? Is it a precise recipe that from the beginning to the end using all the ingredients results in a unmistakable final product? And this product walks a searcher within 12' and still would 1000 years from now with no problems and especially drafted to hold no guessing involved? I see the poem as a set of step-by-step directions/instructions leading to the treasure location.
"Is it a precise recipe that from the beginning to the end using all the ingredients results in a unmistakable final product?"
I think I could only answer that honestly if I was holding the chest. ;-) But I certainly believe the starting point is very precise, the direction to go from there unambiguous, and the place to "put in" also clearly indicated with no guessing involved. If my understanding of the poem's "end game" is correct, then the instructions will take me to within several steps of the hiding place, and they would do so for the foreseeable future. In other words, none of the clues are in any imminent danger of damage, removal, obsolescence or destruction.
Thanks for replying. Do you think the poem gives the answer to the WWH we are looking for? Because he said by guessing will leave someone with a thin wallet and no treasure, so I guess my question is if we aren't to guess and try to prescribe our own solves, how has he camouflaged the solution so well? |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Mar 24, 2020 21:29:43 GMT -5
Hi 3rd-I-1st: yes, I think the poem provides a unique WWWH with a reasonable degree of confidence. It's not a dart throw, IMO, it's a riddle to be solved coupled with simple geometry. That modest confidence is replaced by near certainty if the 3rd clue is subsequently solved, but again that's just my opinion based on the statistics of what I believe to be the answer to the third clue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 23:58:17 GMT -5
Hi 3rd-I-1st: yes, I think the poem provides a unique WWWH with a reasonable degree of confidence. It's not a dart throw, IMO, it's a riddle to be solved coupled with simple geometry. That modest confidence is replaced by near certainty if the 3rd clue is subsequently solved, but again that's just my opinion based on the statistics of what I believe to be the answer to the third clue. Thanks. I figured the answer is in it. I think the riddle is what he is saying he did tired and now he's weak.i know in the poem the "I did it tired and now I'm weak" sounds like his journey in his life doing his thrill of the chase and now he wants us out there doing it, I think it is the main part of the riddle explaining the action that is in effect the riddle itself. He may be alluding to the 15 years writing it. |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 25, 2020 8:50:04 GMT -5
It's interesting to take note that when Forrest gave the quote, 'the treasure is not associated with any structure', it was in relation to- 'no need to dig up old outhouses'.... For those who were around at that time, this 'clue' was given out because people felt the home of Brown was an outhouse, and people were digging up old outhouses looking for the treasure chest..... The timing and reason for the statement supports the idea that the 'home of Brown' is not associated with any structure....... (and might be related to where the Treasure Chest is located)... mysteriouswritings.com/the-thrill-of-the-chase/ |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Mar 25, 2020 14:49:23 GMT -5
Hi Jenny -- The Today Show (I believe) didn't want Forrest to use the word "outhouses" so he used "structures" instead. Since the driver of this extra clue was the absurdity of people digging in that nastiness, the assumption is that those searchers thought the treasure was essentially colocated with Forrest's "home of Brown." So what Forrest was basically saying is that since the treasure is not associated with any structure, there is not point in digging up an outhouse: if your home of Brown is an outhouse, then the treasure cannot be located at or near it, so digging there is futile. The question remains: can home of Brown still be a structure, just NOT be anywhere near the treasure's location? Some clearly think so. One might even argue that home of Brown could still be an outhouse -- just so long as the treasure is nowhere nearby. But I prefer to believe that ALL of the clues are "associated with" the treasure (after all, the clues are contiguous), and therefore none of the clues can be associated with structures -- at least structures that share characteristics in common with those of an outhouse (e.g. buildings, cabins, huts, etc.) If you work backward through the clues from the chest's location, no matter what you're using for each clue, there must reach a point where one of them is not where the treasure sits, right? Maybe it's #8, maybe it's #7, but at some point clue #N is not right where the treasure sits. How far away could it be and still work to get you to clue #N+1? Would you say that location is "associated with" the treasure's location or not? These are important questions each searcher should ask themselves because of this Q&A: Mysterious Writings Q&A (6/30/2014): "Mr. Fenn, when you said not associated with any structure did that mean all 9 clues or just where the chest sits? Thanks, d" FF: "Yes d, it means the treasure is not hidden in or about a structure. Google “structure” for more information. f" Link: mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/ |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 25, 2020 17:12:45 GMT -5
Thanks for your thoughts, Zap...... great points....
With the many comments emphasizing 'geography' (not history or other topics), it would also lean towards the idea that none of the clues are 'associated with a structure' for that reason.
Also the Q/A's on time and elements of nature.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:10:35 GMT -5
Thanks for your thoughts, Zap...... great points.... With the many comments emphasizing 'geography' (not history or other topics), it would also lean towards the idea that none of the clues are 'associated with a structure' for that reason. Also the Q/A's on time and elements of nature..... Hi Jenny Do you think that is the same for the imaginary sense he said we need to use in deciphering the clues? Or put a different way. Do you think there isn't any structure we should see in our "a little imagination" we need as Forrest said? Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:54:28 GMT -5
hints aren't deliberately placed but scattered throughout Your comments are very interesting as my solve has the HOB on private land with "several" owners and you would "put in" on public land.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:58:36 GMT -5
I've put together a good one that puts the chest on a border of some public and private with ties to FF. I used the book and the poem. The it in the poem is the book and the hints are there when following the poems directions but it was a lot of back and forth not deliberately placed. I have only one problem, I can't be certain, not sure but think he said the treasure is there waiting for the one that knows for sure. I can't find the sure. I could be confident but even the book has it's own riddle and mystery. (I meant to reply to this, sorry) Your comments are very interesting as my solve has the HOB on private land with "several" owners and you would "put in" on public land. |
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Post by astree on Mar 28, 2020 7:29:17 GMT -5
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“Hi Jenny -- The Today Show (I believe) didn't want Forrest to use the word "outhouses" so he used "structures" instead” (zaphod).
But he used both words (outhouse, structure) in his on-air “clue”... unless you were referring to just one of the sentences
I’m not completely convinced of the reasoning. Just because some of the clues may not be associated with a structure still leaves room for some of the clues, at least one, to be associated with a structure.
Anyway, getting back to the way forest phrases things, isn’t the chest itself a structure?
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Post by dalby2020 on Mar 28, 2020 9:17:42 GMT -5
This is a good topic with many great thoughts.
Understanding "put in below" will be important. Some think "put in" means something like put your raft in the water. Others might think it means take it out. Plus various other options. My current thinking is that "put in" means to stop or park. And I'm taking "below" as "before".
The poem is telling the reader to stop or park before reaching the home of Brown.
In the next line " From there it's no place for the meek", I think "there" is referring to the place you should stop rather than referring to the home of Brown. I don't think we have to actually go to the home of Brown. It is just being used as a landmark.
With that same thinking, "no place for the meek" may be the same as "home of Brown".
In other words, you are travelling in a certain direction.
You stop before reaching the home of Brown.
Beyond that stopping point (from there), it's no place for the meek.
If you didn't stop and continued going to home of Brown you would also be going where it's no place for the meek.
The poem may be giving two clues to a landmark.
Putting in terms of getting driving directions example: "You drive two blocks and you will see a statue on the right. From there, it's a dangerous neighborhood so make sure you park before reaching the bridge."
It says both where to stop and what is beyond that if you don't stop.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:49:59 GMT -5
I've put together a good one that puts the chest on a border of some public and private with ties to FF. I used the book and the poem. The it in the poem is the book and the hints are there when following the poems directions but it was a lot of back and forth not deliberately placed. I have only one problem, I can't be certain, not sure but think he said the treasure is there waiting for the one that knows for sure. I can't find the sure. I could be confident but even the book has it's own riddle and mystery. (I meant to reply to this, sorry) Your comments are very interesting as my solve has the HOB on private land with "several" owners and you would "put in" on public land. Hi Journey Mine isn't on private property It's next to the private property on public. Did you use a canyon that's not far to walk thru with a name that belongs to a place very distant? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 12:51:05 GMT -5
(I meant to reply to this, sorry) Your comments are very interesting as my solve has the HOB on private land with "several" owners and you would "put in" on public land. Hi Journey Mine isn't on private property It's next to the private property on public. Did you use a canyon that's not far to walk thru with a name that belongs to a place very distant? Hi, it sounds like we have a different solve, earlier you said that “it” is the book in your solve and “it” is very different in mine. My solve parks you just below the HOB on public land but its "no place for the meek" because you need to venture out onto private land owned by "several" parties. I believe this is why FF spent $5000 on an attorney to determine what a searcher might encounter regarding "title to the gold". The funniest thing of all, when you park just below the HOB you will see "water high" which FF has secretly hinted to multiple times in a very sneaky way. If my solve is correct and I believe it is, FF is trying harder than ever to give hints to the poem but they don't sound like hints. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 14:17:12 GMT -5
Hi Journey Mine isn't on private property It's next to the private property on public. Did you use a canyon that's not far to walk thru with a name that belongs to a place very distant? Hi, it sounds like we have a different solve, earlier you said that “it” is the book in your solve and “it” is very different in mine. My solve parks you just below the HOB on public land but its "no place for the meek" because you need to venture out onto private land owned by "several" parties. I believe this is why FF spent $5000 on an attorney to determine what a searcher might encounter regarding "title to the gold". The funniest thing of all, when you park just below the HOB you will see "water high" which FF has secretly hinted to multiple times in a very sneaky way. If my solve is correct and I believe it is, FF is trying harder than ever to give hints to the poem but they don't sound like hints. That's what I think about the hints. I also took "it" as being the book and started my Camino in the book where "it" is talked about and the narrower the clues unfolded with a purpose of their own. I'm almost surprised that when Forrest mentioned a fellow from Texas with a truck and a bedroll he didn't actually say El Camino instead of truck but probably too much of a clue. Funny that we both have places that are on the border or easement of two different properties. Mine is where there's a road marked "private road" but it's actually not. I belongs to the State. |
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