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Post by Jenny on Mar 18, 2020 6:48:08 GMT -5
How would you categorize the different lines of the poem?
There seem to be those that provide Geographical locations, and then others that are more Informational or Directional.
It's a neat exercise to do......and nothing is in concrete for me, but below is how I categorized them initially..... I might change my mind as I continue to analyze....
Geographical:
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down
Not far but too far to walk
Put in below (directional) the home of Brown (geographical)
From there it’s no place for the meek
The end is ever drawing nigh
There’ll be no paddle up your creek
Just heavy loads and water high
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze
Directional:
Look quickly down your quest to cease
But tarry scant with marvel gaze
Just take the chest and go in peace
So hear me all and listen good
Your effort will be worth the cold
If you are brave and in the wood (also geographical)
I give you title to the gold
Informational:
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold
I can keep my secret where
And hint of riches new and old
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek
The answers I already know
I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak
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Post by Jenny on Mar 19, 2020 5:48:06 GMT -5
The following comment by Forrest from Six Questions in 2013 is interesting to me: mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-with-forrest-fenn-author-of-the-thrill-of-the-chase/ He didn't expect many of us to start searching maps? AND YET, that is how we have been told to solve the poem? What were we supposed to do? Was he surprised we were searching maps or just the number of people doing it? What I didn’t expect was the number of people who immediately started searching maps and using Google Earth to locate their special spots. Many have read my book multiple times looking for additional clues, or even hints that might assist them in the hunt. |
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Post by seannm on Mar 19, 2020 7:26:56 GMT -5
The following comment by Forrest from Six Questions in 2013 is interesting to me: mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-with-forrest-fenn-author-of-the-thrill-of-the-chase/ He didn't expect many of us to start searching maps? AND YET, that is how we have been told to solve the poem? What were we supposed to do? Was he surprised we were searching maps or just the number of people doing it? What I didn’t expect was the number of people who immediately started searching maps and using Google Earth to locate their special spots. Many have read my book multiple times looking for additional clues, or even hints that might assist them in the hunt.Jenny, If you don't know where you are going, then any map will do. Seannm |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 19, 2020 13:00:58 GMT -5
The following comment by Forrest from Six Questions in 2013 is interesting to me: mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-with-forrest-fenn-author-of-the-thrill-of-the-chase/ He didn't expect many of us to start searching maps? AND YET, that is how we have been told to solve the poem? What were we supposed to do? Was he surprised we were searching maps or just the number of people doing it? What I didn’t expect was the number of people who immediately started searching maps and using Google Earth to locate their special spots. Many have read my book multiple times looking for additional clues, or even hints that might assist them in the hunt.Jenny, If you don't know where you are going, then any map will do. Seannm Great point...... we first must know where we are going....... and this, I suppose, you are suggesting is not found on a map- but still in the poem? |
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Post by seannm on Mar 19, 2020 13:26:28 GMT -5
Jenny, If you don't know where you are going, then any map will do. Seannm Great point...... we first must know where we are going....... and this, I suppose, you are suggesting is not found on a map- but still in the poem? Jenny, My thought was that why are/were people out searching maps and google earth for their special place, when the poem is supposed to give us the correct starting point. Then from there one would know exactly which map they need as well as the region that Forrest’s special place resides in or at. So I guess that is what he didn’t expect. Maybe he expected people to stick with the poem and figure out the first or most important clue first before looking at maps and google earth. And maybe this is why he said several times to “get back in the box”. Im also reminded of the what if’s Featured Q & A: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-and-early-weekly-words-the-what-ifs/And a response Forrest made in the comments: A hypothetical example of a “what if” might be, what if I was looking so far ahead that I neglected to notice what was beside me. So is he saying that he didn’t expect people to be looking so far ahead, looking at maps before knowing the starting location, that they were missing what was right beside or in front of them, the poem that gives them the correct starting point. So a good what if might be, what if the poem alone gives me all the information I need to identify the correct starting point. Seannm |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 19, 2020 14:02:27 GMT -5
When asked for advice on how to solve the poem, Forrest has suggested to marry the clues to a place on a Map.... so sure, the poem might guide you....but an actual map seems to certainly help....
Q: Do you have any advice for these new people? How should they begin the search six years after so many others? Do you feel they are at any disadvantage?
A: No, fresh eyes and new thinking might provoke a winning idea. I would advise new searchers to look for the clues in my poem and try to marry them to a place on a map. It seems like the longer one thinks about the search the more they complicate the problem.
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Post by Jenny on Mar 19, 2020 14:04:19 GMT -5
I agree, though, before looking at a map, let the poem lead you to the 'right map'...
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Post by seannm on Mar 19, 2020 14:33:31 GMT -5
I agree, though, before looking at a map, let the poem lead you to the 'right map'... Jenny, That is my belief. I believe that in order to know which map you need, to then marry the clues to, you need to know the starting location. And I firmly believe that the poem is the only thing that provides you with the information to figure that out. “It was vital that no one share my knowledge of the treasures location. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead”. (Paraphrased from TTOTC, probably not completely accurate). “No one has any secret information that will take them to the hiding place, it’s in the poem for all to see” f mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/questions-with-fenn-archive-1/Seannm |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 5:27:19 GMT -5
In my opinion, all of the lines are D.I.G's (Directional, Informational, Geographical) because that is what we have to do at the chase end.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Mar 20, 2020 16:18:49 GMT -5
I agree, though, before looking at a map, let the poem lead you to the 'right map'... Jenny, That is my belief. I believe that in order to know which map you need, to then marry the clues to, you need to know the starting location. And I firmly believe that the poem is the only thing that provides you with the information to figure that out. “It was vital that no one share my knowledge of the treasures location. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead”. (Paraphrased from TTOTC, probably not completely accurate). “No one has any secret information that will take them to the hiding place, it’s in the poem for all to see” f mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/questions-with-fenn-archive-1/Seannm For most people, I don't think the poem is sufficient to provide the starting location. Unless you have specific, relevant geographic knowledge, in my opinion you will need a map to identify the starting point. I'll give a (bad) example: suppose the poem revealed that Madison Junction was WWWH, whether by name or description. If you had never been to Yellowstone before or had good geographic knowledge of the river systems within YNP, you would need more than the poem to locate it. |
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Post by npsbuilder on Mar 21, 2020 1:38:02 GMT -5
My thoughts related to this thread is that f designed the poem giving instructions on how to use a compass.
This may not be totally correct but to start you hold the compass level and in front of you to dial in North.
Then establish the heading and distance.
Your is heading (which direction you are traveling)
You is bearing (which direction the object is from you)
Keep you is following a straight line of travel
Of course the key element is missing here...where do you start from?
f says it's in the poem for all to see and I guess we all must be blind.
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Post by me9 on Mar 22, 2020 17:51:25 GMT -5
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Post by me9 on Mar 22, 2020 17:51:50 GMT -5
I’ve also read that you wrote the treasure hunt for an unemployed redneck with 12 kids. Does this mean that all of those people who are delving into Native American history, Greek mythology etc are looking too deeply? Can hunters really get to the treasure location with just a good map, the poem, and a decent knowledge of words? FF: I wrote the book for everyone who feels a sense of wanderlust. In your last question if you change the last word to geography, my answer would be yes. dalneitzel.com/2017/02/25/scrapbook-one-hundred-sixty-six-2/ |
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Post by seannm on Mar 23, 2020 19:23:04 GMT -5
I agree, though, before looking at a map, let the poem lead you to the 'right map'... Jenny, That is my belief. I believe that in order to know which map you need, to then marry the clues to, you need to know the starting location. And I firmly believe that the poem is the only thing that provides you with the information to figure that out. “It was vital that no one share my knowledge of the treasures location. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead”. (Paraphrased from TTOTC, probably not completely accurate). “No one has any secret information that will take them to the hiding place, it’s in the poem for all to see” f mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/questions-with-fenn-archive-1/Seannm Jenny, And in my interpretation the following featured Q & A seems to back up this belief: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-with-forrest-first-clue/Forrest, you have stated that several searchers correctly identified the first two clues in your poem. Could you tell us how many searchers to your knowledge have correctly identified the first clue correctly? Thanks. ~49 DollarsNo 49, I cannot tell you how many searchers have identified the first clue correctly, but certainly more than several. I cannot imagine anyone finding the treasure without first identifying the starting point, although many seem to be preoccupied with later clues. To me that’s just expensive folly. fAnd if as Forrest says in this response, that many seemed preoccupied with later clues, then we didn't see what was right in front of us. Seannm |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 9:54:43 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Fenn,
You once wrote: “There isn’t a human trail in very close proximity to where I hid the treasure.” You also once wrote: “And in close proximity were stone projectiles and crudely made hand axes that could have been 30,000 years old.”
Can you clarify for us your definitions of “close proximity” and “very close proximity?” (e.g. 10 feet, 50 feet, 100 feet, 500 feet, etc.?)
Thanks, Milan
It’s not that easy Milan. Are you asking me to carry a caliper in my pocket? Each “close proximity” is different, relative, and site-specific, as you pointed out. So I can’t answer your question. To an ant a mud puddle can be like an ocean. f
This suggest that the locations can and will be found on a map.
It also to me suggest that since he automatically responded to the question with map distance scenario that he may not of ever put much thought into the botg distance scenario. Suggesting what?
One more thing I take away from that conversation is, but I'm not sure about, crudely made axe's and stone projectiles?
Are the stone projectiles most likely petrified tree stumps cut down 30,000 years ago with the crudely mad axe's? This may narrow a search.
Back to the close proximity problem. There isn't a human trail in close proximity to where he hid the treasure. Each clue is site specific. Does this suggest there's human trail used in parts but not one close to the chest?
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