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Post by astree on May 5, 2020 15:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by astree on May 5, 2020 15:19:52 GMT -5
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Post by crm114 on May 5, 2020 15:50:11 GMT -5
Quite interesting. This is a good corroboration that it is possible to pinpoint the location, if f is being serious. I can only think of one statement that says it as plainly. I think f has generally tried to avoid stating this, save for one or two quotes like: mysteriouswritings.com/periodic-words-from-forrest-fenn-on-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt/Let's coin a new phrase. You can't have a "correct solve" unless you can knowingly go to within several steps of the treasure chest. Otherwise you have a "general solve." What do you think? F |
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 5, 2020 19:38:55 GMT -5
Hi Astree: Based on prisoner #1253's first nine words that he asked to have passed on to Forrest, I'd say it's within the realm of possibility that he did actually know the general area that Forrest hid the treasure. |
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Post by dejoka on May 5, 2020 20:48:35 GMT -5
Hi Astree: Based on prisoner #1253's first nine words that he asked to have passed on to Forrest, I'd say it's within the realm of possibility that he did actually know the general area that Forrest hid the treasure. Zap, I believe the crux of f's statement was the word in all caps - "EXACTLY". This revelation should cause some concern amongst the search community, where a general area was thought to be good enough. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 5, 2020 21:50:13 GMT -5
Hi Astree: Based on prisoner #1253's first nine words that he asked to have passed on to Forrest, I'd say it's within the realm of possibility that he did actually know the general area that Forrest hid the treasure. Zap, I believe the crux of f's statement was the word in all caps - "EXACTLY". This revelation should cause some concern amongst the search community, where a general area was thought to be good enough. Totally agree, Dejoka. My conclusion from the juxtaposition of everything Forrest has said/written on the subject is that if you can't solve all the clues from home, you're not going to find the treasure. "Correct solve" (vs. general), "All of them in theory," "move with confidence," "won't stumble upon it," and "Nothing about it will be accidental." |
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Post by davebakedpotato on May 6, 2020 6:33:19 GMT -5
Zap, I believe the crux of f's statement was the word in all caps - "EXACTLY". This revelation should cause some concern amongst the search community, where a general area was thought to be good enough. Totally agree, Dejoka. My conclusion from the juxtaposition of everything Forrest has said/written on the subject is that if you can't solve all the clues from home, you're not going to find the treasure. "Correct solve" (vs. general), "All of them in theory," "move with confidence," "won't stumble upon it," and "Nothing about it will be accidental." What's your take on the rest of the 'all of them in theory' quote? Not likely in practice speaks to me that a physical presence on site would be an advantage at some point, my guess is to find the blaze but maybe not. If the blaze is something on a vertical surface and un-named on a map, the only way you would find it is by being on site. But then, how could you find it 'in theory' in situ? |
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Post by crm114 on May 6, 2020 10:57:18 GMT -5
"If you are in the right spot, something you probably haven't thought about, should be obvious to you." - Coded words to Jenny (August, 2018)
I always assumed this applied on the ground, but in the context of this discussion (being exact) I'm rethinking that. Being "in the right spot" implies physical presence to me. It's curious why he didn't say "at the right spot," however. I've never thought of a spot as something you can be in as opposed to at, but the definition of spot is murky that way. Plus, if you can be exact from your armchair or jail cell, why would you need to note something obvious you had not thought of on the ground?
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Post by harrytruman on May 6, 2020 16:21:34 GMT -5
"If you are in the right spot, something you probably haven't thought about, should be obvious to you." - Coded words to Jenny (August, 2018) I always assumed this applied on the ground, but in the context of this discussion (being exact) I'm rethinking that. Being "in the right spot" implies physical presence to me. It's curious why he didn't say "at the right spot," however. I've never thought of a spot as something you can be in as opposed to at, but the definition of spot is murky that way. Plus, if you can be exact from your armchair or jail cell, why would you need to note something obvious you had not thought of on the ground? Here's more food for thought: "The treasure is out there waiting for the person who can make all the lines cross in the right spot.” “A metal detector will help you if you’re in exactly the right spot.” And an email exchange between Forrest and Mindy F. (Sept 2015): Forrest: “It is there alright. People are just not looking in the right spot.” Mindy: “So, no one is looking near the right spot?” Forrest: “No one is looking AT the right spot." (Forrest capitalized "AT.") |
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Post by crm114 on May 6, 2020 17:53:45 GMT -5
Thanks, Harry, that is a lot to chew on. Fwiw, here's my regurgitated thoughts. I had not seen the Mindy email before. It's a possible reference to sight line(s) or it could be the spot is too small to be "in.". Is Forrest referencing the same spot in all cases? Can we decide how big a spot is?
Lines crossing could imply sight lines in the field or lines on a map translated to GPS. If you can be exact from a jail cell, then the latter is likely. Assuming 2009 vintage consumer grade GPS, you get maybe a 30 foot diameter circle at best as your spot from GPS coordinates pulled off a map. Use a few tricks and you could get closer.
I'm not sure, but I assume a metal detector would not go off more than 3 feet from the treasure, so that's a 6 foot diameter spot. I assume1 the poem cannot point that accurately by itself.
Forrest could have marked the location in such a way as to only be obvious to a treasure hunter, which may account for the coded words. This need not be the blaze and would not be if it is what the coded words reference. This could be much more exact, say, within a foot if f wanted. It could be bigger, and possibly visible from GE. I have thought of a lone tree as a possibility that fits all these criteria. People searching in 100 years may need to have or would at least be better off with digital aerial archive access to see where the tree was.
Lastly there is f's "few steps" quote. Let's say few is 2 to seven and a step is 3 feet. Then you are talking a 6 to 40 foot diameter circle, which sorta sounds like the GPS circle above.
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Post by astree on May 7, 2020 2:14:26 GMT -5
Hi Astree: Based on prisoner #1253's first nine words that he asked to have passed on to Forrest, I'd say it's within the realm of possibility that he did actually know the general area that Forrest hid the treasure. . this seems to be what youre referring to? So it would seem that both you and The Prisoner had/have a town name in mind, which may or may not have explicitly been mentioned in the poem, or perhaps led to by the poem (not sure how to classify something like Gallatin). And this town has a descriptive and unusual name? |
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Post by Bownarrow on May 7, 2020 5:41:52 GMT -5
nail in Welsh hoelen { feminine }
The key = a nail = a hoelen(W) = en a hole = into(F.) by(L.) hole = in to by hole = in a(fr.) by hole = in a hole by
The key = the yek = the oak tree The key = t is(L.) y ke = it's the(W.) ke = it is theke = le(F.) is the chest(Gr.) = the is chest = the chest is
So.
The key = The chest is + in hole by + the oak tree = The chest is in a hole by the oak tree
Also:
The chest is not associated with any structure = the chest is ton associated with a yn structure = the chest is key associated with by(L.) a(W.) structure = the chest is yek associated with a a structure = the chest is by oak tree associated with a struture.
Putting the above all together yields:
The chest is in a hole by the oak tree associated with a structure
This idea provides a precise spot to within just a few inches (depending on the size of the tree)
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 7, 2020 14:51:16 GMT -5
Hi Astree: Based on prisoner #1253's first nine words that he asked to have passed on to Forrest, I'd say it's within the realm of possibility that he did actually know the general area that Forrest hid the treasure. . this seems to be what youre referring to? So it would seem that both you and The Prisoner had/have a town name in mind, which may or may not have explicitly been mentioned in the poem, or perhaps led to by the poem (not sure how to classify something like Gallatin). And this town has a descriptive and unusual name? Yes, that's the line. It's innocuous enough that it doesn't give anything away, but it got my attention. And if ~my~ location is correct, it would probably get Forrest's attention too. However, there's not enough in it to indicate a "correct solve," only a general one (which might explain Forrest's reply). |
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Post by astree on May 9, 2020 8:35:54 GMT -5
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Thank You for the reply zaphod. I remember one time I was looking at a location and thought (that the) poem (indicated to look) on a bearing (compass direction). And nearby on that bearing was a border across which was the town of Marvel Colorado. I don’t think you’re referring to anything so directly named in the poem?
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Post by goldilocks on May 9, 2020 14:23:01 GMT -5
How to narrow it down to a few inches? Treasure maps often use paces to get you to the X marks the spot. 'Pace' can be found in the word 'place' and 'peace' in the poem.
Definition of pace:
1. A step made in walking; a stride.
2. A unit of length equal to 30 inches (0.76 meter).
3. The distance spanned by a step or stride, especially:
a. The modern version of the Roman pace, measuring five English feet. Also called geometric pace.
b. Thirty inches at quick marching time or 36 at double time.
c. Five Roman feet or 58.1 English inches, measured from the point at which the heel of one foot is raised to the point at which it is set down again after an intervening step by the other foot.
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