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Post by casperjeff on Jun 11, 2020 10:48:33 GMT -5
I’m just surprised that this community has so little in common in their solves. Speaks to how hard the puzzle truly was... more props to the finder. well.....I tend to disagree here. I suspect that 90% of the searchers that have released their solves (probably as high as 99%) were not experienced/skilled puzzle solvers. They were amateurs who were enamored more with the backstory/author and the (possibly) simple nature of the poem. That's probably why most of the solves you see tend to have a BIWWWH representing a start of a 'path' that enjoins a hot/warm spring/water confluence and a canyon. And maybe that is the 'right' solution - but I suspect that more experienced puzzle solvers would use OTHER techniques to deduce solves for those clues that are wholly UNRELATED to actual water and canyon. I never had a full solve myself - so take ANYTHING I saw with a giant grain of salt! |
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Post by ironwill on Jun 11, 2020 12:27:48 GMT -5
I'll be perfectly honest. If Forrest says its over... its over. This means only one thing now... protecting the integrity of your solution. If for any reason on earth, you thought that your solution and your spot was where the treasure was retrieved, then you should post it! This ensures that once the spot is revealed (which I fully believe it will be), that NO ONE can tell you "YEAH RIGHT! Sure that was your spot." Why? Because you posted it here, before the actual spot was revealed. At the very least it would give you some personal vindication. I say "at the very least" because a big part of what it will give you if you were close, is night after night of regret and depression...knowing you were that close. I get it but if you were way off you might feel at the minimum like a doofus for spending all those hours and money...I guess it could go either way. I think the window of opportunity has closed for finder to leave it in it's place. Imagine the backlash from all the angry searchers who did post their solutions and could've had a second chance and kept their dreams alive. Think about all the searchers who don't have solid solves and then read a great one and copy someones ideas and hard work and go get it. That would really stink. This hunt is absolutely over. It may not be the ending any of us had hoped for but we need to accept it and move on. 99% of us will be WAY OFF Goldi. It's not "Doofus-like" to be like 99% of searchers. |
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Post by goldilocks on Jun 11, 2020 14:58:46 GMT -5
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Post by martha on Jun 11, 2020 20:59:09 GMT -5
Near the mouth of Canada de Potrero along the Rio Chama in NM.
GPS coordinates are (36.3187, -106.6028)
The Blaze: The Chama River. Chama means blaze in Portuguese. Keyword: riches, as in ri(rio)ch(chama)es(SE). I thought this hinted at where to look for WWWH and SE is the direction of canyon down. I thought the word “new” hinted at both New Mexico and Nutrias. WWWH: Fishing regulations in NM. The line between warm waters and trout waters. This is below El Vado reservoir near where the Rio Nutrias comes into the Chama. Vado means Ford (Miss Ford). See p 8 of the NM Fishing brochure www.wildlife.state.nm.us/download/publications/rib/2018/fishing/2018_19-New-Mexico-Fishing-Rules-And-Info.pdfHoB: The Monastery. When visualizing a monastery most people think of monks in brown robes. I also thought it could be the Abbey Brewery known for its Brown Ale. The brewery was next to the monastery at the time Forrest hid the chest and wrote the poem. Although it has since moved to Moriarty, they still grow the hops in the Monastery garden. Put in Below the HoB: the raft put-in downriver from the Monastery at Chavez Canyon. This was clearly marked on older versions of GE. Since the clues weren’t supposed to be associated with a structure, I took the put-in to be the clue and the HoB to be a hint. NPFTM: Canada de la Fuertes just past Skull Bridge. I found several translations for Fuertes including fort and bold. Since bold is the opposite of meek that makes it no place for the meek. There’s an island at the mouth of Fuertes that’s shaped just like a human eye. I thought that might be what all the “I” words were hinting at. TEIEDN: Past Fuertes the river bends like a horseshoe or an omega. The land shape inside the bend looks like a boot. The word drawing hints at a draw or slot canyon coming into the Chama. The first slot canyon after Fuertes is Potrero on river right. There’s also an unnamed slot canyon just past Potrero on river left. I was never sure if I should take nigh to be left or just near. I did a pretty thorough search of the area near the slot canyon on river left. TBNPUYC: Potrero means paddock. I thought “no paddle” sounded a little like “no paddock”. I was able to anagram this line to get either potrero or paddock. There were a lot of hints about pottery and other words that sound a little like potrero including oreo. JHLAWH: Just upriver from Potrero the river is the deepest (water high). There are some large boulders that washed down into the Chama from Potrero (heavy loads). IYBWAFTB: This line is past tense. I thought I’d found the blaze when I found the Chama River. LQDYQTC: I suspected that “Look quickly down” meant to look down river for a couple reasons. I thought that “quickly” meant “rapidly” as in rapids, and the rapids start at the mouth of Potrero. I thought “canyon down” meant downriver (that’s when the word “down” was first defined in the poem) and “up your creek” meant upriver. I played around with anagramming the poem or using the periodic table to get numbers but I was never able to come up with something that worked. The draw on river left comes down through a rusty culvert under FR151. It reminded me of the fire escape in TTOTC. North of FR151 there’s a row of hoodoos that look like teeth with red gums. On river right there’s a cathedral/temple shape that’s part of Mesa Prieta. Since Prieta means brown, I called this “the dome of Brown”. River left is part of Mesa Viejos and Viejos means the old ones. There’s a parking area/pull-off about a mile downriver from Skull Bridge with a huge deadwood at the entrance. The deadwood looks like a dinosaur skeleton. I took that to be the parking lot of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science since there are dinosaur skeletons in the museum parking lot. There is an old cemetery about a half-mile SSE of the mouth of Fuertes. Whenever I clicked near my search area with GE, instead of getting Rio Arriba County I got a weird address of 2323 Diamond Drive Los Alamos (I thought Dizzy Dean might be a hint for Diamond Drive). This address turns out to be a church. So the monastery, the church in Los Alamos and the cemetery all seemed to fit with “go in peace”. This area has a unique mix of vegetation including pinion, sage, alligator juniper, ponderosa, oak, willows, and a variety of cacti. I was aware that the Chama had been searched early on, but I thought the treasure was hidden well enough that someone could have missed it. Martha I’m not the same Martha who asked the MW question on May 26, but I’d like to point out that was the last communication from Forrest before the chest was found. I now believe he was telling Martha that she was over cooking the poem. In other words her time was up. At this point he knew that the retrieval was imminent.
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Post by luttleboy on Jun 11, 2020 22:23:57 GMT -5
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Post by luttleboy on Jun 12, 2020 9:51:01 GMT -5
Here is the one-picture solution. The Blaze is at 36.6355, -106.2105 . Open Google Maps, copy in coordinates, change to Satellite mode, then zoom to the highest magnification.
www.dropbox.com/preview/Public/Using%20the%20Poem%20as%20Map.jpg?role=personal
The chest was in New Mexico in the Carson National Forest. Two of the important clues are in Colorado, one clue location is on the CO/NM border, and three clues are in New Mexico. The remaining 3 clues are not really needed but serve as fillers and padding to make the poem the right length. The clue locations ON LAND in the real world are not close together, are not consecutive, not contiguous, and not chronological. No, you really did not have to find where warm waters halt first. That turned out to be misleading, because if you started with home of Brown, you could use the poem-as-map and the edge of the triangle to reverse-engineer and determine where warm waters halted. The blaze was not visible with Google Maps until 2016, when the resolution increased enough to see it. You can still see it today at 36.6355, -106,2105.
Where warm waters halt = where the Navajo Rio crosses the CO/NM border. Place the top right corner of the poem cut-out here. Take it in the canyon down = place the poem cut-out south in the Rio Grande Canyon, the longest widest canyon in New Mexico. Not far, but too far too walk = 10" to walk in the imaginary world of the poem, but 170 miles to walk on land in the real world. Put in below home of Brown = Put the poem cut-out bottom left corner on the 2010 location of Casa Marron, the Spanish translation of home of Brown. |
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Post by brianu on Jun 12, 2020 9:56:20 GMT -5
What if it's a trick? What if you need the solution for the next treasure hunt. I figur it's best to hold on to the solution and stay anonymous about it because it's a waste of effort to mess it up after a bunch of work.
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Post by woollybugger on Jun 12, 2020 11:01:37 GMT -5
Here is the one-picture solution. Blaze is at 36.6355, -106.2105
www.dropbox.com/preview/Public/Using%20the%20Poem%20as%20Map.jpg?role=personal
The chest was in New Mexico in the Carson National Forest. Two of the important clues are in Colorado, one clue location is on the CO/NM border, and three clues are in New Mexico. The remaining 3 clues are not really needed but serve as fillers and padding to make the poem the right length. The clue locations ON LAND in the real world are not close together, are not consecutive, not contiguous, and not chronological. No, you really did not have to find where warm waters halt first. That turned out to be misleading, because if you started with home of Brown, you could use the poem-as-map and the edge of the triangle to reverse-engineer and determine where warm waters halted. The blaze was not visible with Google Maps until 2016, when the resolution increased enough to see it. You can still see it today at 36.6355, -106,2105.
Where warm waters halt = where the Navajo Rio crosses the CO/NM border. Take it in the canyon down = the Rio Grande Canyon, the longest widest canyon in New Mexico. Not far, but too far too walk = 10" to walk in the imaginary world of the poem, but 170 miles to walk on land in the real world. Put in below home of Brown = the 2010 location of Casa Marron, the Spanish translation of home and Brown. Put the bottom left corner of the poem just below the south corner of the Casa Marron property in Google Maps. While I don’t necessarily agree on the blaze or some of the reference points, I really like this application as it supports what I now think is one of the biggest clues on solving, the insert of the poem in the book in a way that’s meant to be removed. I had tried to no avail having certain letters represent prominent peaks or similar, but bordering it based on instructions in the poem is clever! |
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Post by luttleboy on Jun 12, 2020 11:27:39 GMT -5
How can you disagree on the blaze when you can see the black painted "nn" with your own eyes? This is at the exact point where the blaze in the poem crosses the line defined by Waters Canyon and Angel Fire. As said many times, "....make all the lines cross at the right spot." The word "blaze" is the word that is key, because it refers to 3 things: the town of Angel Fire, the pointer location in the poem, and the black "nn" on top of a large flat-topped boulder.
Which reference points are used that are not in the poem? In fact there are only 4 map location "nouns" in the poem: (1)Waters Canyon, Colorado (named after Mrs. Waters, an early settler); (2)town of Marvel, Colorado; (3)town of Angel Fire ("blaze"), New Mexico; and Casa Marron, Santa Fe, New Mexico (home of Brown).
You probably think that Casa Marron is not a valid point. But that was the nearest "thing" that could be there for 100 years on copies of old maps, AND still make a 90-degree angle with the lines from Waters Canyon and Angel Fire. That was crucial to make the 90-degree right triangle shown on the front cover of Too Far to Walk, so that had to work, even if it does not meet your approval.
www.dropbox.com/preview/Public/Using%20the%20Poem%20as%20Map.jpg?role=personal |
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Post by woollybugger on Jun 12, 2020 12:01:53 GMT -5
How can you disagree on the blaze when you can see the black painted "nn" with your own eyes? This is at the exact point where the blaze in the poem crosses the line defined by Waters Canyon and Angel Fire. As said many times, "....make all the lines cross at the right spot." The word "blaze" is the word that is key, because it refers to 3 things: the town of Angel Fire, the pointer location in the poem, and the black "nn" on top of a large flat-topped boulder.
Which reference points are used that are not in the poem? In fact there are only 4 map location "nouns" in the poem: (1)Waters Canyon, Colorado; (2)town of Marvel, Colorado; (3)town of Angel Fire ("blaze"), New Mexico; and Casa Marron, Santa Fe, New Mexico (home of Brown).
You probably think that Casa Marron is not a valid point. But that was the nearest "thing" that could be there for 100 years on copies of old maps, AND still make a 90-degree angle with the lines from Waters Canyon and Angel Fire. That was crucial to make the 90-degree right triangle shown on the front cover of Too Far to Walk, so that had to work, even if it does not meet your approval.
www.dropbox.com/preview/Public/Using%20the%20Poem%20as%20Map.jpg?role=personal Not approval, agreement. My point was to applaud the application rather than to take away by disagreeing. |
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Post by npsbuilder on Jun 12, 2020 19:40:55 GMT -5
The last solution I had was at 38.8662756 -104.9297353
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Post by dalby2020 on Jun 12, 2020 21:52:13 GMT -5
My full and complete solve places the treasure at a place called Barranca, which is Spanish for canyon. Barranca also happens to be a character in the first Indiana Jones movie. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJQulZii1l0 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 11:50:28 GMT -5
This Whole Treasure Hunt was/ is a "COMING OUT, (out of the closet) ANNOUNCEMENT" either for Fenn, a family member, or close friend. I personally think Forrest is a genius. I suspect he may have a 40+ page book coming out, he stated "he placed a 20,000 word autobiography in the chest" Google approximates 20K words would fill a 40 page book
"I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old." .....riches implies the multitude of famous people who's only crime is being GAY,
i.e. Gary Oldman who plays the lead in the gay flick below
If anyone's interested Fenn left his treasure at this near exact location 43.75896, -109.9863 decimal degrees
Clue #4 (the Blaze) is what validates this entire solve & you'll see that here 43.75355, -109.99712
....................Q: “Is the blaze one single object?” FF: “In a word – Yes”
be sure to check out all the great PBS WYOMING documentaries which I found on youtube
"From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh" ....... Yeah, it's at the base of Pinnacle Buttes
"So why is it that I must go And leave my trove for all to seek?".............. Mr Fenn is a male, only males have Y chromosomes link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male
"The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak".......... This is a kinda long....The Greek symbol on the door of a men's restroom, my AVATAR ---->>
....What does Iron have to do with anything ? (The body of an adult human contains about 4 grams (0.005% body weight) of iron,
mostly in hemoglobin and myoglobin.
Their role is essential in vertebrate metabolism, respectively oxygen transport by blood and oxygen storage in muscles) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron .....also Iron gets weaker when it's rusty
45° Fahrenheit outside is a bit chilly without pants on
a 45 deg angle taken on a TOPO map bottom left corner of SECTION 19 just to the right of Brooks Lake
He placed it in the Shoshone National Forest---->> Indian Braves
Trust me, FENN used grammar "contractions" in every possible instance in those books, but NEVER did I imagine it had to do with the male climax.
It's biology people, pure and simple. The military still isn't the most welcoming place for gay people, Forrest is almost 90 years old, in his generation men could be thrown into prison, men frequently got married & raised a family.
I'm not maligning Forrest, I respect him, hell I worship him just like everybody does...QUESTION is, will people still worship him if it turns out maybe he is gay?
Should Mr. Fenn feel bad for the handful of searchers who died needlessly? SCREW that, How many gay people worldwide die everyday because of societal pressures?
"It doesn't matter who you are, it only matters who they think you are"
"What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve". ff
This may be a bit too disgusting for some, but this BLAZE /clue #4 is a campground driveway loop maybe 1/2 mile in length, HENCE the HEAVY LOADS
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Shocker the finder wants to keep the hidey place a secret! Yeah, maybe he plans to monetize that information down the road, but I can think of several good reasons why the area needs protecting, folks would trample, vandalize, spray-paint, destroy the spot, litter, etc
For one the forest in & around this place is nothing but a stand of dead trees, the place is a forest fire just waiting to happen.
Fenn has had this place in mind for some time, I imagine things were a whole lot greener as little as 10 years ago.
That pesky little "bark beetle" has decimated the area, as you can see for yourself right here in 4 different directions.
The reason the photos look so stark, so black & white is because only about 1% of the pines are still green/alive.
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Post by ladyv on Jun 13, 2020 15:33:25 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone revealing their solves. Amazing how much good thought and energy and confidence went into solves all over the 4 states!
If your solve was near the East (Cody) entrance of YNP, a wildfire there just closed that entrance. 😳
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Post by goldwatch on Jun 13, 2020 17:55:12 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone revealing their solves. Amazing how much good thought and energy and confidence went into solves all over the 4 states! If your solve was near the East (Cody) entrance of YNP, a wildfire there just closed that entrance. 😳 That's for sure. What's funny is that I see things that make me wonder about something, and in true habit form I check it out. LOL |
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