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Post by nkown on Jun 10, 2020 20:09:44 GMT -5
Nope... it's right in the middle of it. I can't post pictures on this forum unfortunately but if you plot all of those points on google maps you'll see what I mean... You can visit but be very alone in the area. It's not scoured. I was all over the carillon area and no one bothered me for hours. www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B000'53.5%22N+104%C2%B051'21.1%22W/@39.014847,-104.8563932,193m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m9!1m2!2m1!1susafa!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.0148461!4d-104.8558459 (you'll have to copy / paste the whole link) Have fun looking around.... and when you zoom out note the shape of the cemetery area... and the football field. Then recall the stickmen that FF drew. The kids braved the cold even after being told Do Not Touch.... the finder did as well. He touched the bronze...the right one. |
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Post by Apple on Jun 10, 2020 21:11:35 GMT -5
I confirm what Nkown says...the USAFA grounds are beautiful foothill forests. Hiking trails, creeks, animals. Pine, including pinion pine, grow there. The actual school stuff is a minor portion of the whole facility. Last fall when I last visited the grounds, I saw deer, a bear, squirrels, etc. And virtually no one around, on a Saturday or Sunday, in the Colorado eastern foothills...where it's usually packed with all my neighbors out hiking or otherwise enjoying the outdoors. Lots of memorials, lots of bronzes. The Rampart Range rises steeply from its western border. Certainly rams/horns (Ram-part) will ring a few bells for anyone who's read Fenn's game related writings.
The list goes on. Consider SB33. An email supposedly from Aurora about her engagement by a waterfall named after a bird of prey. Aurora was one of the star falcon mascots of the USAFA until her death a year or so ago. As an aside, engagement/partnering is one element I believe is needed to extract hidden information from the poem, but that's an aside/separate point.
Consider the Falcon Mummy Vignette. Consider SB4 featuring Barry Goldwater, whose eponymous visitor center is found at the USAFA. Consider that Fenn bought property in the Skyway Park neighborhood of Colorado Springs in 1965 (odd that he never talks about living or being stationed there, which he may have been if he bought property there--lots of AFBs there). These are just some additional from the top of my head.
Unfortunately, if real, figuring this location is not enough. Note how basically anything pointing to the USAFA is not in TTOTC. There are a few threads, but nothing that can be ever tied with any confidence to it. The additional writings are needed. If real, I don't think knowing this location is good enough. Rather, one must "solve" the poem, which I (and Nkown) believe involves a systematic letter extraction to get crucial additional information. We think TTOTC is an instruction manual for how to extract this information and that the SBs, particularly many of the ones released last fall during his flurry of writing, served to clarify the incredibly subtle extraction instructions (the gypsy magic) offered by TTOTC. Needless to say, we don't have the chest so we were either wrong (most probable) or never quite got the ingredients just right.
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Post by miracleman on Jun 10, 2020 21:23:00 GMT -5
Agree with you Jeff, Nkown’s solve is compelling by matching bits and pieces of information to his area but you just can’t do that. You have to stick with the poem and use Book/SBs as hints and confirmation otherwise there is simply too much data that could be linked to lots of incorrect places.
IMO the poem tells you unambiguously where to start and unfortunately it’s not Colorado.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 11, 2020 1:11:06 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Colorado Springs is not in the Rockies, any more than Denver is. Not opposed to clues *starting* there, but they certainly can't end there.
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Post by astree on Jun 11, 2020 1:27:35 GMT -5
It has to be boots on the ground for someone to discover it. Even if we put together a consensus, we probably wouldn’t be able to get past the fourth clue without going there. I don't think the hunt required boots on the ground, except for the very final piece, to identify something that marks(ed) the hiding spot. The blaze is a physical thing, not feasible to move. (in my opinion) the hunt was constructed so that the blaze could be identified before leaving home. I don't believe the blaze was where the treasure was. |
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Post by teaandease on Jun 11, 2020 4:15:25 GMT -5
The blaze is still there because the blaze (the path going forward) is in the poem. Fenn said "all you need is the poem". IMO the blaze was (is?) his words "But tarry scant with marvel gaze".That's the beginning, and end directive of the poem. If you've been wise and found the blaze (the directive in the poem), it tells you to 'butt' (join) 'tarry scant' with 'marvel gaze'. That anagrams to "Try Anagrams. Revealz TC". That's the path, or 'blaze' to figuring the puzzle.
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Post by Apple on Jun 11, 2020 11:46:08 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Colorado Springs is not in the Rockies, any more than Denver is. Not opposed to clues *starting* there, but they certainly can't end there. Hi Zaphod, great thought/statement. The USAFA is not in Colorado Springs proper. It's north and slightly west of the city and, if using the Denver analogy, would be more akin to Golden or Boulder than Denver itself. It is certainly around the edge of what I would consider the Rocky Mountains (reminder--I did not create the puzzle). A problem with the map in TFTW are the feathered edges of the shaded area. Regardless, at least the western border of the USAFA, if not part of it, and certainly the national forest to the immediate west of it are in a shaded portion of the TFTW map. As you astutely mentioned, the USAFA can be part of the hunt but not the actual hiding spot. I suppose I'd ask you to examine the pointers to the USAFA as a "general solve" rather than a "correct solve," to use something that Fenn once said (MW Periodic Words 6/2/17). Our (I apologize in advance for speaking for N as well) working assumption was that these almost exclusively extra-TTOTC pointers to the USAFA enabled a "general solve" in that they substantially constrained the search area (if assuming the clues weren't strewn over a large geographic region). We were focused on getting a "correct solve" and we were mostly working with the assumption that it wouldn't require this "general solve" any more than knowing that the treasure was hidden in the Rocky Mountains would be very helpful. This was an assumption, unlikely out of all the possibilities that exist, but nevertheless something we reasoned was probable and worth exploring. Needless to say, we aren't in possession of a certain chest.
Given the abundance of statues and other dedications to generals at the USAFA, please now take a moment to roll your eyes at Fenn's use of the term "general solve". |
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Post by nkown on Jun 11, 2020 12:11:07 GMT -5
Personally, I actually believe it is or was, eh hem, there. FF got more overt with the references over time, but even going back through old SB's and other posts it's easy to find non-obvious links that are at most only 2 degrees of separation. I understand that that is the very definition of data fitting... but they are all unique. I went back through my notes and I have 38 links to this one place. If I look anywhere else... there is no Doolittle, Glenna, Falcon, Amelia, Deadman's Creek, Parade, Bell Tower, Verdin, We Will Remember Them, Invictus, Pinion, Woodmen, Stanley, 411, JBB, General, Subway, etc. all in the same place... where FF is at least eligible and honored to be buried... that will be destroyed by WWIII. No other solve presented is anything other than metaphor. Everything I listed above -- and more -- are mentioned exactly by FF and are in a single site that would have deep meaning for him.
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Post by luttleboy on Jun 11, 2020 15:43:02 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 11, 2020 16:50:35 GMT -5
Personally, I actually believe it is or was, eh hem, there. FF got more overt with the references over time, but even going back through old SB's and other posts it's easy to find non-obvious links that are at most only 2 degrees of separation. I understand that that is the very definition of data fitting... but they are all unique. I went back through my notes and I have 38 links to this one place. If I look anywhere else... there is no Doolittle, Glenna, Falcon, Amelia, Deadman's Creek, Parade, Bell Tower, Verdin, We Will Remember Them, Invictus, Pinion, Woodmen, Stanley, 411, JBB, General, Subway, etc. all in the same place... where FF is at least eligible and honored to be buried... that will be destroyed by WWIII. No other solve presented is anything other than metaphor. Everything I listed above -- and more -- are mentioned exactly by FF and are in a single site that would have deep meaning for him. Hi nkown: while 38 may seem like a lot, consider that I have HUNDREDS of hints to a pretty specific area in Montana. So quantity of hints is probably not a reliable metric -- it's more a measure of how skilled the individual is at making connections/associations. |
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Post by grapette79or80 on Jun 11, 2020 17:43:45 GMT -5
Know alot of ppl are not into ciphers, but I always likes “ de Blaise “ as in a vigenere cipher
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Post by nkown on Jun 11, 2020 21:15:48 GMT -5
Personally, I actually believe it is or was, eh hem, there. FF got more overt with the references over time, but even going back through old SB's and other posts it's easy to find non-obvious links that are at most only 2 degrees of separation. I understand that that is the very definition of data fitting... but they are all unique. I went back through my notes and I have 38 links to this one place. If I look anywhere else... there is no Doolittle, Glenna, Falcon, Amelia, Deadman's Creek, Parade, Bell Tower, Verdin, We Will Remember Them, Invictus, Pinion, Woodmen, Stanley, 411, JBB, General, Subway, etc. all in the same place... where FF is at least eligible and honored to be buried... that will be destroyed by WWIII. No other solve presented is anything other than metaphor. Everything I listed above -- and more -- are mentioned exactly by FF and are in a single site that would have deep meaning for him. Hi nkown: while 38 may seem like a lot, consider that I have HUNDREDS of hints to a pretty specific area in Montana. So quantity of hints is probably not a reliable metric -- it's more a measure of how skilled the individual is at making connections/associations. |
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Post by nkown on Jun 11, 2020 21:16:28 GMT -5
yep... 38 is not a ton... but they are exact matches without any tinkering.
Post 'em up Zaphod... now's the time!
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Post by Travis Brown on Jun 12, 2020 11:05:12 GMT -5
Is the Blaze still there.......This is one of the things I would like to know. Forrest once said that the Blaze was not feasible to remove, and so I feel it most likely remains (but confirmation of such would be great), because since I feel the Blaze is what indicated the location of the Treasure Chest, a 'solution', of a consensus, and made by Group Effort, could be found. This is what might need to happen... if for whatever reason the full solution/location cannnot be shared. This is a very important question! And I intend on finding out. 5 days before the chest was supposedly found I placed 4 very strategic trail cameras 1 at a trail that converges and 3 in my final resolve search area, I would not have normally done this but!! When f put up the toe to toe contest I had a feeling he was saying that is was coming down to a fight to who would win. So I hid these cameras, they are still out there, I could not go back and retrieve them because water levels had risen from the time I put them out. My first trip botg the snow had not completely melted there were many drifts still in the trees. So I go back for my second botg and could not access my search area, so I wait I drive into town to find out that supposedly someone had found the treasure. Well of course defeated I went home and said no one will even find my cameras so I’ll return later to get them. Now with all that said and what Forrest isn’t saying let’s see let’s just see when I get back and look at those as cards if there are people where people don’t normally go!! Just wait before you criticize. I have 100% proof from a scrap 3 scrapbooks that prove without question without doubt where I am searching 10 out of 10 people would agree. I have showed random people my findings and they are shocked. I won’t and will not share until there is word from Forrest. Also the great thing is I have shared all of this with f he has read my emails so I know he has received them, he knows where I’ve searched and the features that are identical to the ones he has pictured in TTOTC. Now it’s sit back and wait. If the person that supposedly found the chest comes forward I know without a doubt I will have him on at least 1 or the second placed camera! Cheers let the heckling begin... |
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Post by miracleman on Jun 12, 2020 11:16:26 GMT -5
Travis, are you in Montana?
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