Not Just Another Solution...

[whotrollsnigh]

dalneitzel.com/2015/01/17/not-just-another-solution/

This certainly was not just another solution.  The author used a spreadsheet and the poem's use of the verb TO BE to move cell-by-cell toward a clever but flawed solution.  The method was brilliantly deduced and the writing was carefully crafted.  That's why it was a surprise when, at the very end, the author made a mistake so obvious that it could only have been intentional.  The author broke their own simple convention while analyzing the final line of the poem.

"I give you title to the gold."

Before arriving at the final line the author established that I in the poem should be replaced by TT and found the nine letter message YOUNL VENW.  The author then deduced that the YOU in that message is the same you in "I give you title" -- which equates to I + YOU = TITLE.  Since I = TT the equation should read TT + YOU = TITLE.  And this is where the writer departs from the obvious path of their own convention, and incorrectly adds the full letter value of TT (20+20=40) to each letter value of YOU.

What should have been written is that:

      Given I = TT 

      I    + YOU = TITLE
      TT + YOU = TITLE
      TT + YOU = TITLE
             YOU = ILE

So I is TT and YOU is now ILE.  Summing the letter values of "I" TT and the new "you" ILE gives:

    T+T = 20 + 20      = 40 = 4 + 0 = 4
I+L+E = 9  + 12 + 5 = 26 = 2 + 6 = 8
                                                 
8 + 4 = 12

So the YOU in the nine letter message (YOUNL VENW) can be replaced by 12, and the remainder of the message reduces as follows:

N    L    V     E   N   W
14  12  22   5   14  23
5    3     4    5    5    5

Leaving the final letter value of the message as:

1253  4555

So what now?

Do these numbers fit into coordinates that help pinpoint the precise location of the chest, as the author suggests?  Well, f cleverly confirmed as much more than 15 months before this solution was published on Dal's blog.  The confirmation came in a little-known response to a question posed by a man actually in a cell (remember the solution above is found in the cells of a spreadsheet): 

blog.truewestmagazine.com/2013/10/prisoner-claims-to-know-where-forrest.html


"Bob, please tell #1253 that if he will pinpoint EXACTLY where the treasure is, he can claim it. But 'close' and 'general area' are not good enough."


Just another piece of the puzzle... to be continued.

[goldwatch]

How many tries does #1253 get?  

[shark]

Jun 18, 2020 16:55:19 GMT -5 whotrollsnigh said:

dalneitzel.com/2015/01/17/not-just-another-solution/

This certainly was not just another solution.  The author used a spreadsheet and the poem's use of the verb TO BE to move cell-by-cell toward a clever but flawed solution.  The method was brilliantly deduced and the writing was carefully crafted.  That's why it was a surprise when, at the very end, the author made a mistake so obvious that it could only have been intentional.  The author broke their own simple convention while analyzing the final line of the poem.

"I give you title to the gold."

Before arriving at the final line the author established that I in the poem should be replaced by TT and found the nine letter message YOUNL VENW.  The author then deduced that the YOU in that message is the same you in "I give you title" -- which equates to I + YOU = TITLE.  Since I = TT the equation should read TT + YOU = TITLE.  And this is where the writer departs from the obvious path of their own convention, and incorrectly adds the full letter value of TT (20+20=40) to each letter value of YOU.

What should have been written is that:

      Given I = TT 

      I    + YOU = TITLE
      TT + YOU = TITLE
      TT + YOU = TITLE
             YOU = ILE

So I is TT and YOU is now ILE.  Summing the letter values of "I" TT and the new "you" ILE gives:

    T+T = 20 + 20      = 40 = 4 + 0 = 4
I+L+E = 9  + 12 + 5 = 26 = 2 + 6 = 8
                                                 
8 + 4 = 12

So the YOU in the nine letter message (YOUNL VENW) can be replaced by 12, and the remainder of the message reduces as follows:

N    L    V     E   N   W
14  12  22   5   14  23
5    3     4    5    5    5

Leaving the final letter value of the message as:

1253  4555

So what now?

Do these numbers fit into coordinates that help pinpoint the precise location of the chest, as the author suggests?  Well, f cleverly confirmed as much more than 15 months before this solution was published on Dal's blog.  The confirmation came in a little-known response to a question posed by a man actually in a cell (remember the solution above is found in the cells of a spreadsheet): 

blog.truewestmagazine.com/2013/10/prisoner-claims-to-know-where-forrest.html


"Bob, please tell #1253 that if he will pinpoint EXACTLY where the treasure is, he can claim it. But 'close' and 'general area' are not good enough."


Just another piece of the puzzle... to be continued.

The only 2 solves I've ever read that I loved were OH!'s solutions and this particular solve. I always thought there was one small thing holding it back from success, but never had time to devote to it.

Whotrollsnigh- you're a genius. Your solve is baseball related, right? Did you subscribe to this TO BE solve as well?

[annie]

Interesting, but i think it is WAY too complicated. Forrest had always suggested to keep things straightforward.

[shark]

Jun 21, 2020 5:20:35 GMT -5 annie said:

Interesting, but i think it is WAY too complicated. Forrest had always suggested to keep things straightforward.

I think it is one of the most simple solves I've seen (that also follows a strict pattern and is logical). All of the solves that just pick a spot on a map with little rationale are automatically wrong and represent the majority of solves. Remember, it took 15 years to write it and 10 years to solve it.

If you can count to 26 and realize A=1 and B=2 you can solve with this methodology. It doesn't get much more simple.

[whotrollsnigh]

Jun 21, 2020 9:39:49 GMT -5 shark said:

Jun 21, 2020 5:20:35 GMT -5 annie said:

Interesting, but i think it is WAY too complicated. Forrest had always suggested to keep things straightforward.

I think it is one of the most simple solves I've seen (that also follows a strict pattern and is logical). All of the solves that just pick a spot on a map with little rationale are automatically wrong and represent the majority of solves. Remember, it took 15 years to write it and 10 years to solve it.

If you can count to 26 and realize A=1 and B=2 you can solve with this methodology. It doesn't get much more simple.

Thank you for taking time to read my post.  I believe this is one layer out of several hidden in the poem, and I agree this is a simple (though lengthy) approach.  

I don't have a baseball solution, or any complete solution for that matter, just pieces that seem to fit together:

Clues as paths, not locations | MysteriousWritings Forum
Where warm waters halt... | MysteriousWritings Forum
Not far, but too far to walk... | MysteriousWritings Forum

I believe "Not far, but too far to walk" is a riddle, the answer is TO BE (see last thread above), and one must plug in the message found in this thread.

[jdiggins]

4 corner letters
Aide idea=hint
Attached by toenails are the footings
Footings and four corners contain a riddle...