In The Poem

[goldwatch]

Do you have an example? Because I don't understand what you are getting at.

[blazer]

dejoka, you are correct. There is a concrete foundation very near where the treasure chest rested.

It is visible on Google Earth, and could be considered another blaze of sorts, or even as a toenail!

[blazer]

dejoka, yes, I knew you were going in a different direction with that, however in a quite literal I believe you are correct in the a concrete foundation reference.
I could also make a slight case for your actual meaning as well, and it would apply to how the word Just is used in the poem, let's say... from a balanced perspective.

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Are you going to finish posting your solve? It looks interesting.

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BTW, Dejoka, when I follow along the end of the poem looks like this:

If you are brave and in the wood
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down,
your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
I give you title to the gold.

Did I whiffle it? It doesn't sound right, so I think I did something wrong.

I know it doesn't matter much these days since the finder has not yet revealed a solution, but I took interest in your solve. I had some questions though:

1) I know what you mean about "concrete poetry", but isn't it subjective? In some cases the poetry image is obvious, but stanza 3 being a cloud doesn't seem obvious.
2) I understand how you used lines 5,6, and 7 to move stanza 3 below stanza 4. But how did you reach the conclusion that "Put in below..." meant to copy stanzas 4 & 3 because I did not notice an instruction to select both of them after we took stanza 3 to the gap below stanza 4.
3) I see how you determined that the HOB was line 23 becuse it contains the brown letters, but so does line 2 and line 8.

Note: I have no ill intentions and I am enjoying uncovering your solve, these are honest questions. We can answer them now because its all over, so there is no need to be covert

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1) So it should be:

If you are brave and in the wood
Put in below the home of Brown.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
...
?

2) So after you processed "Put in below the home..." and moved it below "If you are brave", instead of picking up at "From there it's no place...", you pick up from "So why is it that.." and process the other lines when you reach them below?

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I used Page 23 (Jump Starting the learning curve) extensively. That is the only place besides title and copyright that you will find "Forrest Fenn", alone in the book and sandwiched between "my name" ... "Forrest Fenn" and "my name" again. This chapter told me how to do the "sliding trick", the main difference between you and I is that I slide left/right below HOB (and leave HOB on line 8) to reveal "treasure" in the "T" column (canyon) along with the rest of the letters "RE-A-SURE" (Reassure means give confidence). But then, after spelling "treasure", the line that says "Take the chest and go in peace" tells me to spell "chest" down the coulmn where the C is in peaCe AFTER I have already slid the lines above.

Doing that, reveals "try the wheel wy mt treasure end at chest eye" when reading the words that overlap the blaze columns. The blaze in the poem is a Croix De Lorraine (double armed cross) which is identical to the one he tripped over near Mang Yang Pass in Vietnam.

The 6th stanza I was not able to decode without using information that was only on-site to solve the 9th clue. Unfortunately, I realized my 9th clue answer was wrong after it was too late and my partner returned from BOTG the week of 6/6/2020 (my 39th wedding anniversary).

That is why I am interested in your solve, it appears that you had a completely different interpretation of how we need to modify the poem. I like that because I definately feel that without using "the sliding trick" to manipulate the poem, the clues cannot be solved because they remain vague unless solved. Question was, which way was the correct way to slide? I worked with Sam Smith including this year, but he does not agree with me that there is more to it than just using the word that is key (treasures). Our WWWH is the end of line 5 in the poem, but when decoded, the physical WWWH IMO is "5 Springs Basin" which is directly below the "celestial river" at the lower south/southwest quadrant of the MW in the Bighorn. Essentially, Aquarius is spilling water into Fomalhaut (southern fish) when looking from F (sit in F) to D cairn (FF prayed for D's) and watch "D"/Fomalhaut rise directly over the 5 Springs Basin. To the LEFT of "C", we had Orion fighting Taurus while his dogs were off chasing a HARE and a UNICORN across the rainbow (A-B and C cairns).

If you slide the poem, then stand the poem on edge and look at it like a map, you can actually see the DROP into WWWH, then it moves west a bit and the word CHEST drops at the exact spot where the 5 Springs Basin upper falls are. (above the upper falls, a few hundred feet along the creek back towards the basin/bench/wheel). The trail leading from the parking lot to the falls is 0.4 miles, and is only a grade change of 136 feet. But Sam and I did not realize this until it was too late, so we never instructed our partner who lives in WY to go down there, it was saved as an optional place and he did not go to it because the announcement came in on 6/6 So... we will never know unless the finder talks.

Either way, I am 100% positive that you MUST slide the poem. Sadly Dal unintentionally mislead all searchers with the OUT OF CONTEXT rule "Do not mess with my poem.". He put Forrest on the spot because IF Forrest would have corrected Dal, then searchers would have taken it as a hint that you MUST slide the poem. Guys like Sam ignored the rule because they were searching before that rule even came into play. Technially, your way or ours, we are NOT messing with the poem because we leave ALL the words, spaces, and punctuation in the GRID alone. If you change even one word, or remove the punctuation, or remove spaces (with the exception of the spaces BETWEEN STANZAS of course, they can stay or go), it destroyes the "secret where" that is "in there" where he went alone.

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I sent my last solve to FF on 5/18. Told him my partner was going on the week before 6/6 or the week after. Never heard anything and I was pretty sad on 6/7 when my partner said we did not find it. And I trust them, so I know they didn't take it. I do hope to know the solve, but who knows if they will release it. Why do I want to know? WELL, if my solve was off by 600 miles, then I better not do any more treasure hunts! LOL

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Dejoka, Check out this tool to make screenshots you can easily upload (secure and free) to post links to here in the forum: gyazo.com/en

Very easy to use.

I wish I met you years ago and you got on the team with Sam and I (and the WY partner).  I think we would have solved this 3-4 years ago, and part of some is better than all of nothing.  I would have gladly taken 1/4th.  6 years of me, 8 of sam, 4 of my partner all down the tubes for naut

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You slid them, down. Just like he slid down the fire escape

That is why I noticed your post. Maybe your solve is right...

So far, based on your steps, I have the following (except it is center justified):

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As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far,
but too far to walk.

So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired,
and now I’m weak.

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
Put in below the home of Brown.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down,
your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
I give you title to the gold.
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Jul 2, 2020 19:47:32 GMT -5 dejoka said:

Jul 2, 2020 18:22:18 GMT -5 @ogitsumyw said:

You slid them, down. Just like he slid down the fire escape

That is why I noticed your post. Maybe your solve is right...

So far, based on your steps, I have the following (except it is center justified):

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As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far,
but too far to walk.

So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired,
and now I’m weak.

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
Put in below the home of Brown.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down,
your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
I give you title to the gold.
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That's it.

In the next couple moves the reason for his slide down the fire escape and the resulting stain will be obvious.

Which state did your solve end in?