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Post by sazzle on Oct 6, 2020 14:59:36 GMT -5
I finally found an image of the statue. It was not where I expected though! It has lined up a number of pieces in the image now too so feels like it is the correct location. Just to find an object 🥰 Were you able to find an image of the statue featured in the illustration? Yes I have, the location also has references to other elements in the image.
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Post by goldenchild on Oct 7, 2020 19:12:25 GMT -5
I finally found an image of the statue. It was not where I expected though! It has lined up a number of pieces in the image now too so feels like it is the correct location. Just to find an object 🥰 Yep, weird huh. Once you find that statue that location fits the image WAY better than where you think you should be looking. I mean it has it all, the exact statue with a long walkway that leads to it, Swan statues, a pyramid house, reflection ponds, the cloud... They all point directly to this "other" location. The only thing that doesn't fit is the lack of a "home of brown". The landscape architect of this place also designed it specifically to bring the feel of Rome to the gardens, hence by way of the Romans. The author most likely decided to swap locations at some point and hastily changed a tiny bit of the poem to make a fit for the new location. If that's not the case, then something is weird about this chapter and not everything works like you'd expect it to in leading you to the search area. Sazzle, if you are set on finding an item at this "other" location, my best find before giving up on making it fit there, were a couple items that once rode on the swan statues backs. But they were stolen at some point, mysteriously. You can find images and references of them online, although a bit difficult to find, but maybe he had doubts of making the "item" something that was there, but not currently anymore. I had to force myself to drop it completely because I found myself getting frustrated at the hunt as a whole over that chapter being so misleading. Fingers crossed that the author adds a clue clarification of some sort for that chapter on the hidden sun website someday.
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Post by sazzle on Oct 8, 2020 2:11:50 GMT -5
I finally found an image of the statue. It was not where I expected though! It has lined up a number of pieces in the image now too so feels like it is the correct location. Just to find an object 🥰 Yep, weird huh. Once you find that statue that location fits the image WAY better than where you think you should be looking. I mean it has it all, the exact statue with a long walkway that leads to it, Swan statues, a pyramid house, reflection ponds, the cloud... They all point directly to this "other" location. The only thing that doesn't fit is the lack of a "home of brown". The landscape architect of this place also designed it specifically to bring the feel of Rome to the gardens, hence by way of the Romans.  The author most likely decided to swap locations at some point and hastily changed a tiny bit of the poem to make a fit for the new location. If that's not the case, then something is weird about this chapter and not everything works like you'd expect it to in leading you to the search area.  Sazzle, if you are set on finding an item at this "other" location, my best find before giving up on making it fit there, were a couple items that once rode on the swan statues backs. But they were stolen at some point, mysteriously. You can find images and references of them online, although a bit difficult to find, but maybe he had doubts of making the "item" something that was there, but not currently anymore. I had to force myself to drop it completely because I found myself getting frustrated at the hunt as a whole over that chapter being so misleading. Fingers crossed that the author adds a clue clarification of some sort for that chapter on the hidden sun website someday.  Yes i also discovered the missing pieces from the swans. Not managed to find imagery of them but its the only "couple" of objects i can really find. My other thought was around eyes, with the one is alone clue. There is something at the location thats eyecatching but doesnt seem to fit for me. Very confusing this one!
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Post by lepus on Oct 31, 2020 18:30:13 GMT -5
Has anyone found a way to link the puzzle to the verses on this one please (except the obvious "parklands, pools"). The location in the image is clear enough but the verse doesn't seem to work the same way as other verses.
Assuming the missing (rather sweet and lovely) stolen objects from the swans are not the reference in the last line.... could that line refer to Roman numbers?
Can anyone provide a little hint on how to link the poem to the verse on this one please?
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Post by goldenchild on Nov 5, 2020 14:42:42 GMT -5
So since it's over with we can talk openly. What was everyone's solution for this puzzle? I think most had SPHINX from Compton Verney due to the bug being located in the upper left quadrant of the map. The Capability brown tie and the ponds etc. all work ok with the riddle. But the image just screams Rousham house doesn't it! I mean everything, the swan, the pyramid house, the reflection pools, the long walkway with Apollo at the end of it. It's 100% Rousham house. Here is my theory, and I hope the author can clarify how this puzzle's answer came to be. I think the original "Item" might have been the "putti" or cupids that were once on the back of the swans at the base of the statue tribute to the old dog right by the reflection pond. If you were to stand opposite the statue on the reflection pond you would have a long walkway to the apollo statue to your back right, the reflection pond in front of you and if you looked straight ahead it would be the swan statues. They had cupids on their back at some point but they were mysteriously stolen which could loosely be consider a riddle that doesn't rhyme. I know that the Letters produced from each are different than the possible "S" generated from Sphinx, but maybe a change up of some other puzzle forced him into needing to generate an S elsewhere and that was the best they came up with? All speculation of course on my part but this puzzle drove me mad because of the clear inconsistencies from the image to the bugs location on the map. It seemed like you had to force the fits for most of the clues and they seemed "close enough" but didn't seem solid like most of the other puzzles. I can't wait for the answers tomorrow! Congrats to the winner!
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Post by Namtabeht on Nov 5, 2020 15:24:00 GMT -5
At the very beginning I considered Blenheim Palace as a good fit. It had sphinxes, statues, reflecting pools and those conical hedge thingies. Later after discovering the pointer to Compton Verney, I considered the sphinxes a clue (the classic riddle of the sphinx doesn't rhyme) and 'bridge' the final answer (there are two). When I got more solutions it became apparent that they spell out a phrase in their original order. In that phrase 'b' doesn't fit however. What I needed was an 'a'. I searched all I could find about Compton Verney but could not find a six-letter solution beginning with 'a'. Since I kept reading about the statue, I decided to finaly look for it and quickly found it at Rousham Gardens. And indeed, that location fits so much better! The swans, the octagons, the pyramid, the long lane towards the statue,... And Apollo is a six-letter word beginning with 'a'! I couldn't find how the verse pointed to the Apollo statue though and was still working on it. Other then "the pointer to Compton Verney was a red herring", I can't imagine what the explanation could turn out to be. I can't wait for the answers tomorrow! I don't think we will have the answers tomorrow. The winner will be announced then, but the answers will be released when the .pdf is ready. No date for this was given as far as I know.
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Post by goldenchild on Nov 5, 2020 20:12:00 GMT -5
Ya I really wanted that “A” also to make the “LookAt”. I thought Apollo could be the answer also based on one of the hints or instructions given on the site about the item could be a name of a piece of art like “David”. I took that as a possible direct hint to #5’s image. My first initial thought when seeing the statue was that it was David which made me think of that hint. An A made an entire readable phrase. Look at hunt slab(or hunts lab?), read script. Changing that A to an S makes it LookSthuntslabreadscript. Which could be look south, look street, look straight but “Look At” felt so much better.
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Post by hanneymanor on Nov 6, 2020 3:57:50 GMT -5
This one really had me stumped. i became fixated on stowe gardens but then realised they were out of the map area. There is a monument in the shape of a pyramid on an island in the middle of a lake. Congraves monument i think its called. It has a face of Apollo on it and an ape at the top looking into a mirror. ( reflect and look down) One is alone but a couple are two also links to the 2 apes himself and his reflection. You also had a home of brown with capability brown living in one of the boycott pavillions with his wife ( a couple) which originally had a pyramid roof and an octagonal room.
Rousham also came up with the Apollo statue being the most obvious link.
It was obviously somewhere in warwickshire due to the bear.
Although i did look at blenhiem too/ Rosemond's pool... i didnt find anything concrete
In all i ended with it being at compton verney somewhere like the others have said but again nothing concrete
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Post by firesnake on Dec 5, 2020 9:38:52 GMT -5
Hello all, I hold my hands up here - I could have been clearer.
I created use this illustration originally for an answer at Rousham House Gardens, but because the house isn't open all year and you have to pay for entry, I didn't want to include it. I then found a Compton Verney clue which fits in the same manner; parkland, gardens, statues, pools with swans, mythology.
I left in the picture frame to show the link with art which fits better with Compton Verney as it's an art gallery. I left it octagonal purely because it looks so much better than a rectangle, failing to remember the octagonal pond in Rousham. The image of the lined trees was generic to show that you're looking for formal gardens like Compton Verney has – I haven't seen any photos from Rousham that looked exactly the same but appreciate the likeness. The statue applies to CV too, they have statues and sculptures dotted around with links to ancient Greece and Rome - plus the answer is a statue, so that's what you're looking toward/focusing on. The pyramid frame was included to show the link with ancient Egypt.
I caused confusion with some searchers who had the Kindle version, mistakenly leaving in the shaped cloud (shaped like the English county of Kent, to denote William Kent - Rousham Garden's designer). Well done to all of you that found that link anyway, I was sure it wouldn't be solved!
Sorry for the confusion. My take away from this - don't repurpose an original idea; start fresh and don't cross the streams!
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