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Post by blhamrick on Jul 23, 2020 15:43:27 GMT -5
I posted this in the Dolos Forum, but I'm posting it here too, because I am frustrated, and I'd sure like to make a little breakthrough.
I have gotten nowhere on the ring poem and keys. So, I'm just going to throw the things out there that are contained in the poem, and hope they fall together somehow.
Forget and then kiss it.
The keys from bottom up at the heads: W (wealth), H (health), L (love)
Look at the end and then forget why; the answer is yenned.
The video "Forget" on the cipher page, with all the Disney clips.
Dolos says "The cipher begins at the end." I presume this means the end of the keys...or the numbers on the keys...
Forward: 20 5 0 11 4 22 14 4 12 23 8 10 28 1 0 2 24 9 12 5 19 30 3 6 15 3 11 6 0 28 1 2 22 0 20 1 0 5 14 12 23 16 27 12 18 25 2 13 11 1 3 7 8 1 3 0
I think I got them all. Not sure about the order of the numbers that appear on the "end" of the keys...Middle Key: 2 22, Bottom Key: 3 7 8 1 3 0
Do the 0s point to where a new word starts?
What "why" do I need to forget?
"Many will fail"...referring to many of us, our many different tries? Many possibilities will fail? Like every Disney movie in the Forget video...will one work, maybe the one with the special "kiss," The Little Mermaid?
"Is yenned"...Disney en...
Barbara
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Post by goldenchild on Jul 25, 2020 16:58:55 GMT -5
I posted this in the Dolos Forum, but I'm posting it here too, because I am frustrated, and I'd sure like to make a little breakthrough. I have gotten nowhere on the ring poem and keys. So, I'm just going to throw the things out there that are contained in the poem, and hope they fall together somehow. Forget and then kiss it. The keys from bottom up at the heads: W (wealth), H (health), L (love) Look at the end and then forget why; the answer is yenned. The video "Forget" on the cipher page, with all the Disney clips. Dolos says "The cipher begins at the end." I presume this means the end of the keys...or the numbers on the keys... Forward: 20 5 0 11 4 22 14 4 12 23 8 10 28 1 0 2 24 9 12 5 19 30 3 6 15 3 11 6 0 28 1 2 22 0 20 1 0 5 14 12 23 16 27 12 18 25 2 13 11 1 3 7 8 1 3 0 I think I got them all. Not sure about the order of the numbers that appear on the "end" of the keys...Middle Key: 2 22, Bottom Key: 3 7 8 1 3 0 Do the 0s point to where a new word starts? What "why" do I need to forget? "Many will fail"...referring to many of us, our many different tries? Many possibilities will fail? Like every Disney movie in the Forget video...will one work, maybe the one with the special "kiss," The Little Mermaid? "Is yenned"...Disney en... Barbara . The zeroes could also be a repeated letter in a book code? If you were doing a letter count in a book a zero could mean count the same letter you just landed on again. Like for a double S or double O etc. |
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Post by blhamrick on Jul 27, 2020 16:05:36 GMT -5
So...I also found this:
Kiss (cryptanalysis) - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Kiss_(cryptanalysis)
In cryptanalysis, a kiss is a pair of identical messages sent using different ciphers, one of which has been broken.
And, now am thinking that "The answer is yenned" might mean ANSWER = YENNED, and if I could figure the cipher used to get there, I could decode the rest of the message.
I also need to "Look at the end and forget the why" first. If I start with the last key: 0 20 1 0 5 14 12 23 16 27 12 18 25 2 13 11 1 0 3 1 8 7 3, and "forget" 23=W, 25=Y, and 8=H, Now, I have 20 digits...if the zeroes are also not letters, but space holders, I have 17 digits, and 17 characters in "The answer is yenned."
I'm just thinking out loud.
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Post by blhamrick on Jul 27, 2020 19:33:22 GMT -5
Also, I've tried several things with my theory about "The answer is yenned," and for the last key came up with P,H,E,N,X,A,Z at one point, and a bunch of letters that didn't fit, but that stirred my thoughts about the actual poem, "Where millions of colors become fervent." The Painted Desert? "And achieve the number seventeen." You take Hwy 17 north out of Phoenix to get to the Painted Desert. It may all be a fluke, but maybe not...
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Post by blhamrick on Jul 27, 2020 19:36:38 GMT -5
"King who hides in the attic." Montezuma's Castle on Hwy 17.
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Post by retro on Jul 29, 2020 17:12:42 GMT -5
Just looking at this for the first time really. I'll add in some ideas and see what comes of it.
Forget has to do with the River of Lethe. Drink from the river to forget.
I see some phrases without doing much on the keys.
Theogony of Hesiod
City of Gatlinburg
City of Ketchum
City of Taos
Love you Kristen
0 to 30 are used in Spanish but we are missing 17, 21, 26, 29
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Post by chipveres on Jul 29, 2020 18:59:04 GMT -5
The missing numbers are a good catch. I didn't see that. So it could be a code where numbers stand for letters. Oh, and the city of Red Lodge MT is on the middle key.
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Post by retro on Aug 5, 2020 20:47:37 GMT -5
I felt like since I can't see the next step I'd repeat some observations and see what comes of it.
The ring is a "key ring". It holds the keys. The ring is around Dolos.
The idea of "forget" is clearly everywhere as most have noted.
* Music video
* When you drink from the river of Lethe you will forget.
* The Lethe Poem has a line "And Lethe flows from your kiss."
What are we Kissing. I found that while Wix renames the file of the image the original filename is in the HTML source and the image is named KISS.jpg
The red letters are strangely placed. Why not evenly? The count of letters between each red letter, 19 6 10 16 6 9 2 4 7 19 16 32 16 18 2.
I thought it was interesting that 2 of the "O" on the ring were aligned and laid sideways to work with the words on the keys. Maybe that is why there is a space in the ring and it doesn't close, just an alignment thing. Maybe.
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Post by chipveres on Aug 6, 2020 13:46:15 GMT -5
Another good catch? To amplify on what Matthew said, the red letters actually used are *not* the first ones that could have been used to spell FORGET AND THEN KISS IT. This may be just for looks, or it could have meaning.
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Post by chipveres on Aug 6, 2020 15:36:21 GMT -5
"King who hides in the attic." Montezuma's Castle on Hwy 17. Ok, I'm willing to believe that Montezuma is the king who hid in the attic. But how does Antares tie in? |
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Post by blhamrick on Aug 7, 2020 18:22:49 GMT -5
Haven't made a connection there yet.
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Post by blhamrick on Aug 7, 2020 18:26:29 GMT -5
Actually, this line would fit the Phoenix area as well: "Where its always around 90 degrees."
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Post by blhamrick on Aug 7, 2020 18:37:51 GMT -5
LOOK AT THE END AND THEN FORGET WHY; THE ANSWER IS YENNED. MANY WILL FAIL AND THEN RETRY, ONCE YOU HAVE THE ANSWER LOOK ON TO THE NEXT. FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS THIS ISN'T COMPLEX, I'LL GET THROUGH YOUR MYELIN SHEATH OR MAKE YOU DRINK FROM THE RIVER OF LETHE
That's the ring poem. In copying this out, I realized the punctuation is weird. I transcribed it as it appears on the page. Maybe the verse is in the wrong order.
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Post by GeneticBlend on Aug 8, 2020 6:53:02 GMT -5
I thought that maybe there were 3 sentences, one for each key.
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Post by chipveres on Aug 8, 2020 14:28:58 GMT -5
Actually, this line would fit the Phoenix area as well: "Where its always around 90 degrees." Another sly meaning of that could be: turn around 90 degrees, make a right angle. |
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