The King and I

[pb123]

There seems to be an underlying theme of actors/celebrities/stars in Forrest's writings.

"It was hidden under a canopy of stars..."

In particular, ones with a King reference.

I don't know whether this leads anywhere, so am hoping someone else may have picked up on the following and taken it further.

In trying to find the "flavor" of the poem I keep running into kings. Not only that but hearts too.


P.24 TTOTC: "...compared the look on her face to a can opener ad..."
Read that as Cannes Opener. Incidentally, the first Cannes Opener was a black and white short, titled "The Sprinkler Sprinkled."
P.133 TTOTC: "There are also other subtle clues sprinkled in the stories."

P.101 TTOTC: "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players..."
Actor/star theme?

P.131 TTOTC: "...I figured it was time to act."

P.137 TTOTC: "Dancing With the Stars"

Forrest had two aligators, Elvis and Beowulf, both kings. When forrest went to Suzanne Somers' party, he mentioned Elvis again.
Just a couple more tenuous connections to Elvis:
In his early days Elvis sported a D.A. hairstyle. Forrest listened to "Mr. District Attorney."
Forrest has three ducks, one named "Tail-End Charley."

In one of his scrapbooks(S.B.188), Forrest talks about Dizzy Dean.
In Six questions with Forrest Fenn (Feb 4th 2014): "It is important that I drink a martini at least once a year so I can continue to remember why I don’t like them."
To me, these are hinting at Dean Martin, known as "The King of Cool."

In Six Questions with Forrest (Feb 4 2017) he mentions Clark Gable. He was known as "The King of Hollywood."

So, what's with all the kings?
It beats me. lol.

Here's one idea: The last line of the poem reads "I give you TITLE to the gold." This could refer to stars having a royal-like title.
And, trying to apply a kingly title to the first line:
"As I have gone alone in there"
Alone-solo. How about King Solomon?
That could lead you to Montana, especially as the next line could also imply the treasure state.

O.K. enough about kings. What about the hearts?:

I've seen someone else relate "I prayed for D's, but no one was listening" to the four D's at the line ends of stanza 6.

That stanza is full of hearts. In particular,
"If you are brave and in the wood"
Brave = stouthearted.
In the wood = heartwood.
The last words of each line, good, cold, wood, gold connect to heart:
Good-hearted
Cold-hearted
Heartwood
Heart of gold

"Life is a game of poker...," so who, or what is the king of hearts?

I've made several other connections but I think that covers the gist of my current thinking. The solution to the poem has to be relatively simple, but you have to think the right thoughts, as Forrest might say.

I wonder whether I'm anywhere near finding the right "flavor." I know my recipe's a bit lacking, so I won't be turning the oven on just yet.

Thanks for reading.

[heidini]

Jul 10, 2020 14:45:24 GMT -5 pb123 said:

There seems to be an underlying theme of actors/celebrities/stars in Forrest's writings.

"It was hidden under a canopy of stars..."

In particular, ones with a King reference.

I don't know whether this leads anywhere, so am hoping someone else may have picked up on the following and taken it further.

In trying to find the "flavor" of the poem I keep running into kings. Not only that but hearts too.


P.24 TTOTC: "...compared the look on her face to a can opener ad..."
Read that as Cannes Opener. Incidentally, the first Cannes Opener was a black and white short, titled "The Sprinkler Sprinkled."
P.133 TTOTC: "There are also other subtle clues sprinkled in the stories."

P.101 TTOTC: "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players..."
Actor/star theme?

P.131 TTOTC: "...I figured it was time to act."

P.137 TTOTC: "Dancing With the Stars"

Forrest had two aligators, Elvis and Beowulf, both kings. When forrest went to Suzanne Somers' party, he mentioned Elvis again.
Just a couple more tenuous connections to Elvis:
In his early days Elvis sported a D.A. hairstyle. Forrest listened to "Mr. District Attorney."
Forrest has three ducks, one named "Tail-End Charley."

In one of his scrapbooks(S.B.188), Forrest talks about Dizzy Dean.
In Six questions with Forrest Fenn (Feb 4th 2014): "It is important that I drink a martini at least once a year so I can continue to remember why I don’t like them."
To me, these are hinting at Dean Martin, known as "The King of Cool."

In Six Questions with Forrest (Feb 4 2017) he mentions Clark Gable. He was known as "The King of Hollywood."

So, what's with all the kings?
It beats me. lol.

Here's one idea: The last line of the poem reads "I give you TITLE to the gold." This could refer to stars having a royal-like title.
And, trying to apply a kingly title to the first line:
"As I have gone alone in there"
Alone-solo. How about King Solomon?
That could lead you to Montana, especially as the next line could also imply the treasure state.

O.K. enough about kings. What about the hearts?:

I've seen someone else relate "I prayed for D's, but no one was listening" to the four D's at the line ends of stanza 6.

That stanza is full of hearts. In particular,
"If you are brave and in the wood"
Brave = stouthearted.
In the wood = heartwood.
The last words of each line, good, cold, wood, gold connect to heart:
Good-hearted
Cold-hearted
Heartwood
Heart of gold

"Life is a game of poker...," so who, or what is the king of hearts?

I've made several other connections but I think that covers the gist of my current thinking. The solution to the poem has to be relatively simple, but you have to think the right thoughts, as Forrest might say.

I wonder whether I'm anywhere near finding the right "flavor." I know my recipe's a bit lacking, so I won't be turning the oven on just yet.

Thanks for reading.

Dr Pepper- King of beverages. Satchel Paige played for the Kansas City “Monarchs.” Elvis, King of rock ‘n’ roll. Beowulf, king. Remember FERD? And at the end it was Fred? And Fred is short for Frederick. In Frederick literally means “peace rule.“ Can you think of a king that rules by peace? Now stop. Take a deep breath. Ok. Now open your mind and HEART. Who is the King of Kings? Prince of Peace? Lord of Lords?

[edgewalker]

Jul 12, 2020 10:16:21 GMT -5 heidini said:

Jul 10, 2020 14:45:24 GMT -5 pb123 said:

There seems to be an underlying theme of actors/celebrities/stars in Forrest's writings.

"It was hidden under a canopy of stars..."

In particular, ones with a King reference.

I don't know whether this leads anywhere, so am hoping someone else may have picked up on the following and taken it further.

In trying to find the "flavor" of the poem I keep running into kings. Not only that but hearts too.


P.24 TTOTC: "...compared the look on her face to a can opener ad..."
Read that as Cannes Opener. Incidentally, the first Cannes Opener was a black and white short, titled "The Sprinkler Sprinkled."
P.133 TTOTC: "There are also other subtle clues sprinkled in the stories."

P.101 TTOTC: "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players..."
Actor/star theme?

P.131 TTOTC: "...I figured it was time to act."

P.137 TTOTC: "Dancing With the Stars"

Forrest had two aligators, Elvis and Beowulf, both kings. When forrest went to Suzanne Somers' party, he mentioned Elvis again.
Just a couple more tenuous connections to Elvis:
In his early days Elvis sported a D.A. hairstyle. Forrest listened to "Mr. District Attorney."
Forrest has three ducks, one named "Tail-End Charley."

In one of his scrapbooks(S.B.188), Forrest talks about Dizzy Dean.
In Six questions with Forrest Fenn (Feb 4th 2014): "It is important that I drink a martini at least once a year so I can continue to remember why I don’t like them."
To me, these are hinting at Dean Martin, known as "The King of Cool."

In Six Questions with Forrest (Feb 4 2017) he mentions Clark Gable. He was known as "The King of Hollywood."

So, what's with all the kings?
It beats me. lol.

Here's one idea: The last line of the poem reads "I give you TITLE to the gold." This could refer to stars having a royal-like title.
And, trying to apply a kingly title to the first line:
"As I have gone alone in there"
Alone-solo. How about King Solomon?
That could lead you to Montana, especially as the next line could also imply the treasure state.

O.K. enough about kings. What about the hearts?:

I've seen someone else relate "I prayed for D's, but no one was listening" to the four D's at the line ends of stanza 6.

That stanza is full of hearts. In particular,
"If you are brave and in the wood"
Brave = stouthearted.
In the wood = heartwood.
The last words of each line, good, cold, wood, gold connect to heart:
Good-hearted
Cold-hearted
Heartwood
Heart of gold

"Life is a game of poker...," so who, or what is the king of hearts?

I've made several other connections but I think that covers the gist of my current thinking. The solution to the poem has to be relatively simple, but you have to think the right thoughts, as Forrest might say.

I wonder whether I'm anywhere near finding the right "flavor." I know my recipe's a bit lacking, so I won't be turning the oven on just yet.

Thanks for reading.

Dr Pepper- King of beverages. Satchel Paige played for the Kansas City “Monarchs.” Elvis, King of rock ‘n’ roll. Beowulf, king. Remember FERD? And at the end it was Fred? And Fred is short for Frederick. In Frederick literally means “peace rule.“ Can you think of a king that rules by peace? Now stop. Take a deep breath. Ok. Now open your mind and HEART. Who is the King of Kings? Prince of Peace? Lord of Lords?

The Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end? Possibly although the Christian theme is not very prevalent in the chase IMO. I have considered a knot in a rope being a beginning and an ending, or two ends (two Omegas). Omega also has ME in the middle, or a little left of middle.

[heidini]

Jul 12, 2020 10:28:22 GMT -5 edgewalker said:

Jul 12, 2020 10:16:21 GMT -5 heidini said:

Dr Pepper- King of beverages. Satchel Paige played for the Kansas City “Monarchs.” Elvis, King of rock ‘n’ roll. Beowulf, king. Remember FERD? And at the end it was Fred? And Fred is short for Frederick. In Frederick literally means “peace rule.“ Can you think of a king that rules by peace? Now stop. Take a deep breath. Ok. Now open your mind and HEART. Who is the King of Kings? Prince of Peace? Lord of Lords?

The Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end? Possibly although the Christian theme is not very prevalent in the chase IMO. I have considered a knot in a rope being a beginning and an ending, or two ends (two Omegas). Omega also has ME in the middle, or a little left of middle.

Hint of riches new and old. New and old testament? Alpha and omega? There is more.

[goldwatch]

Jul 12, 2020 11:24:43 GMT -5 heidini said:

Jul 12, 2020 10:28:22 GMT -5 edgewalker said:

The Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end? Possibly although the Christian theme is not very prevalent in the chase IMO. I have considered a knot in a rope being a beginning and an ending, or two ends (two Omegas). Omega also has ME in the middle, or a little left of middle.

Hint of riches new and old. New and old testament? Alpha and omega? There is more.

There's also the Cross of Lorraine, which doubles as the Dragonfly of the (HOPI?) Indian beliefs. 
I think it's relevant in the story of the Chase, but only in part, as to the core beliefs of all good peoples. 
Peoples with faults, to be sure, but with the right good asperations. 

[heidini]

Jul 12, 2020 11:44:27 GMT -5 goldwatch said:

Jul 12, 2020 11:24:43 GMT -5 heidini said:

Hint of riches new and old. New and old testament? Alpha and omega? There is more.

There's also the Cross of Lorraine, which doubles as the Dragonfly of the (HOPI?) Indian beliefs. 
I think it's relevant in the story of the Chase, but only in part, as to the core beliefs of all good peoples. 
Peoples with faults, to be sure, but with the right good asperations. 

I wish instead of liking your comment, it would allow for loving it.

[pb123]

I thought this one had fallen by the wayside. Thanks for responding. You guys have good insights.
The religious idea puts me off a bit, but only because Forrest said Bible quotes would be of no use. Although I've no objection to skimming the surface.

You might like this one Heidini (great name btw):

As I have gone alone in there

There are a couple of "one"'s in there and a "three," if you use the flutterby effect. That's a possible reference to the three in one (the holy trinity). And even Forrest's ducks coming in sets of three could hint at that.

Here's where it becomes fun:

So hear me all and listen good

Think about Dizzy Dean's voice booming down from above. Makes me think of the voice of God booming down to Moses.
Look at the last two words, listen good.
You could hear that as List Ten Good - The Ten Commandments.

I'm gonna throw another actor at you now. He played Moses in the movie The Ten Commandments - Charlton Heston.
He was born John Charles Carter.
Remember "John Charles whatever" waving his olive jar?

Just a fun thought: those stone tablets must have been heavy, even without the two ton's in his name.

Catch ya later

[edgewalker]

Jul 13, 2020 3:50:48 GMT -5 pb123 said:

I thought this one had fallen by the wayside. Thanks for responding. You guys have good insights.
The religious idea puts me off a bit, but only because Forrest said Bible quotes would be of no use. Although I've no objection to skimming the surface.

You might like this one Heidini (great name btw):

As I have gone alone in there

There are a couple of "one"'s in there and a "three," if you use the flutterby effect. That's a possible reference to the three in one (the holy trinity). And even Forrest's ducks coming in sets of three could hint at that.

Here's where it becomes fun:

So hear me all and listen good

Think about Dizzy Dean's voice booming down from above. Makes me think of the voice of God booming down to Moses.
Look at the last two words, listen good.
You could hear that as List Ten Good - The Ten Commandments.

I'm gonna throw another actor at you now. He played Moses in the movie The Ten Commandments - Charlton Heston.
He was born John Charles Carter.
Remember "John Charles whatever" waving his olive jar?

Just a fun thought: those stone tablets must have been heavy, even without the two ton's in his name.

Catch ya later

Charlton Heston also played in the Omega Man and....drumroll...Treasure Island.

[goldwatch]

Jul 13, 2020 3:50:48 GMT -5 pb123 said:

I thought this one had fallen by the wayside. Thanks for responding. You guys have good insights.
The religious idea puts me off a bit, but only because Forrest said Bible quotes would be of no use. Although I've no objection to skimming the surface.

You might like this one Heidini (great name btw):

As I have gone alone in there

There are a couple of "one"'s in there and a "three," if you use the flutterby effect. That's a possible reference to the three in one (the holy trinity). And even Forrest's ducks coming in sets of three could hint at that.

Here's where it becomes fun:

So hear me all and listen good

Think about Dizzy Dean's voice booming down from above. Makes me think of the voice of God booming down to Moses.
Look at the last two words, listen good.
You could hear that as List Ten Good - The Ten Commandments.

I'm gonna throw another actor at you now. He played Moses in the movie The Ten Commandments - Charlton Heston.
He was born John Charles Carter.
Remember "John Charles whatever" waving his olive jar?

Just a fun thought: those stone tablets must have been heavy, even without the two ton's in his name.

Catch ya later

That's a fine post. 
And there's another hint:
"Soilent Green is people!" 

[Deleted]

Jul 12, 2020 11:44:27 GMT -5 goldwatch said:

Jul 12, 2020 11:24:43 GMT -5 heidini said:

Hint of riches new and old. New and old testament? Alpha and omega? There is more.

There's also the Cross of Lorraine, which doubles as the Dragonfly of the (HOPI?) Indian beliefs. 
I think it's relevant in the story of the Chase, but only in part, as to the core beliefs of all good peoples. 
Peoples with faults, to be sure, but with the right good asperations. 

I hope your definition for good is the same as my definition!

[Deleted]

Goldwatch, would that be "Make Room"? For who?

[pb123]

edgewalker
Nice pick-ups.
goldwatch
Thanks!

The problem with Charlton Heston, whom I'll refer to as "The Chest" from now on (I crack myself up sometimes), is he's been in over a hundred movies.

Now if only I can shoehorn Burt Lancaster in there. Wait a second...
"When last we saw him he was still running and the tires were bouncing like some circus acrobat."
Ha! Burt was a circus acrobat before taking up acting.

[pb123]

Re: Burt Lancaster.

Not far, but too far to walk.

"From here to Eternity"

Not far when you have a bottle of sleeping pills in your pocket.

[goldwatch]

Jul 13, 2020 12:18:41 GMT -5 @suzys said:

Goldwatch, would that be "Make Room"? For who?

I'm not sure I follow?

[heidini]

Jul 13, 2020 3:50:48 GMT -5 pb123 said:

I thought this one had fallen by the wayside. Thanks for responding. You guys have good insights.
The religious idea puts me off a bit, but only because Forrest said Bible quotes would be of no use. Although I've no objection to skimming the surface.

You might like this one Heidini (great name btw):

As I have gone alone in there

There are a couple of "one"'s in there and a "three," if you use the flutterby effect. That's a possible reference to the three in one (the holy trinity). And even Forrest's ducks coming in sets of three could hint at that.

Here's where it becomes fun:

So hear me all and listen good

Think about Dizzy Dean's voice booming down from above. Makes me think of the voice of God booming down to Moses.
Look at the last two words, listen good.
You could hear that as List Ten Good - The Ten Commandments.

I'm gonna throw another actor at you now. He played Moses in the movie The Ten Commandments - Charlton Heston.
He was born John Charles Carter.
Remember "John Charles whatever" waving his olive jar?

Just a fun thought: those stone tablets must have been heavy, even without the two ton's in his name.

Catch ya later

Did you see what you did there? You capitalize Bible. When Forrest said it, it was a little b. That was an aberration in my opinion.