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Post by artofhiddenmessages on Nov 22, 2020 14:43:26 GMT -5
I will start off by saying that I don't recall where I heard/read this but my thoughts are that the chapters are self-contained, meaning that you can find everything you need to solve that chapter in that chapter. Has anyone else heard or read this?
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Post by stones on Nov 22, 2020 15:00:10 GMT -5
Yes, I've assumed this from the beginning. I will start off by saying that I don't recall where I heard/read this but my thoughts are that the chapters are self-contained, meaning that you can find everything you need to solve that chapter in that chapter. Has anyone else heard or read this?
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Post by stercox on Nov 22, 2020 15:00:33 GMT -5
I have read that each chapter holds One code somewhere. This would be consistent with your report.
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Post by artofhiddenmessages on Nov 22, 2020 15:05:13 GMT -5
So...there is no outside research required? Or there would be no hints in one chapter, to something in another chapter?
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Post by jewelie on Nov 22, 2020 15:19:54 GMT -5
I agree. One code and one decoding method for each chapter. Each chapter uses a different method. No outside research. Geez, it sounds so easy when it is written out.
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Post by artofhiddenmessages on Nov 22, 2020 15:42:15 GMT -5
I agree that it was definitely said there is one method for decoding each chapter. But what I mean is that will you need anything other than what is in that chapter to be able to figure it out? Do you need to do outside research? In Chapter 1, Alex won his $10,000 by knowing the song, Nessun Dorma. Do we need to know anything like that? Or anything about other topics discussed in any chapter?
For example, look at Chapter 2 which is about Star Wars. Do we need to know anything about Star Wars in order to be able to decode that chapter?
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Post by artofhiddenmessages on Nov 22, 2020 15:44:32 GMT -5
Another example...If Chapter 2 hints at the Playfair Cipher, is it safe to say that the Playfair Cipher will be used in Chapter 2? Or might it be used in Chapter 3 or 4? This is what I mean by self-contained.
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Post by jewelie on Nov 22, 2020 16:05:03 GMT -5
From what I have read and heard, I interpret it as you could take the 15 pages or so of one chapter and sit in a room with nothing but paper and a pencil and have everything you need to figure it out. It is just a matter of figuring out the clues to find the code and cipher. At least, that is how I am approaching it.
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Post by Jenny on Nov 25, 2020 8:28:11 GMT -5
Yes, in the link below, David Steele said the hunt is self contained.... at 2:26 (summary of what was said) If there is an error in story…… doesn’t matter….. only use info in the story…… self contained….. for example, if an one hit wonder in story- then they are one hit wonders if said so in chapter, even if in 'real life' they had 12 other hits... at 2:56 (summary and said multiple times) If a method is used, it HAS to be described in the chapter….. and so since the Caesar shift is described, that is within in realm of possibility as being used..…. HOWEVER, the Playfair was not described, so ABSOLUTELY not used…. video link: youtu.be/P9FOfWqZ80A
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Post by susb8383 on Dec 5, 2020 19:11:09 GMT -5
In that video he also said something like if you were in a room with just Chapter 1 and no internet connection at all, you could solve Chapter 1. I'm paraphrasing.
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Post by artofhiddenmessages on Dec 6, 2020 9:54:34 GMT -5
I am in total agreement about what David "SAID" in interviews about the chapters being self-contained. He also said that each chapter had its own method, and that method would be mentioned in that chapter, and also explained.
In Chapter 1, the Caesar Cipher is mentioned, Vigenere is mentioned, Word Play is mentioned and Kangaroo Words are mentioned. These are all explained, except for Word Play. So four methods are mentioned in Chapter 1. Three of these methods are explained.
What methods do you think are mentioned and explained in chapters 2, 3, and 4?
The only thing that I think might resemble a "method" is "Follow the Leader" which comes up in Chapter 4, when the Benefactor says he will explain 5 hours later, and he never does explain it.
Dave has been known to recant things that he has said in interviews, such as his anagramming remark. Dave also says that he does not know what methods are used. Could he have misspoken about the methods being mentioned and described in the chapters? The chapters may be self-contained meaning that as they stand, you can solve each one. But the hints to what method to use might not necessarily be in THAT chapter.
It makes me wonder when Dave last read the book. LOL.
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Post by Jenny on Dec 6, 2020 12:30:36 GMT -5
I am in total agreement about what David "SAID" in interviews about the chapters being self-contained. He also said that each chapter had its own method, and that method would be mentioned in that chapter, and also explained. In Chapter 1, the Caesar Cipher is mentioned, Vigenere is mentioned, Word Play is mentioned and Kangaroo Words are mentioned. These are all explained, except for Word Play. So four methods are mentioned in Chapter 1. Three of these methods are explained. What methods do you think are mentioned and explained in chapters 2, 3, and 4? The only thing that I think might resemble a "method" is "Follow the Leader" which comes up in Chapter 4, when the Benefactor says he will explain 5 hours later, and he never does explain it. Dave has been known to recant things that he has said in interviews, such as his anagramming remark. Dave also says that he does not know what methods are used. Could he have misspoken about the methods being mentioned and described in the chapters? The chapters may be self-contained meaning that as they stand, you can solve each one. But the hints to what method to use might not necessarily be in THAT chapter. It makes me wonder when Dave last read the book. LOL. Great point..... so maybe it must be in the book...but not the chapter.... so that is a question to ask.... he said explained in the 'chapter', but he might have meant 'book'....in which case he should want to clarify.....
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Post by susb8383 on Dec 6, 2020 17:12:05 GMT -5
Ok, here's exactly what he said at 2:51:30.
"Every chapter stands on its own. If someone mentions the name of a cipher and doesn’t explain to you how that cipher works, I would not use that cipher... If someone mentions the Green Briar Cipher and then they don’t describe at all what it is, don’t go look up the Green Briar Cipher because it’s not going to be used. If something is described in the book or in the chapter, it can be used. If it’s something that is just mentioned, don’t go do research on it."
Hmm...this can be taken different ways. To me, he's specifically talking about a cipher. So the Vigenere Cipher fits into this category; it's mentioned but not really explained. But I wouldn't put all plays on words into this category. He mentions kangaroo words and very specifically describes what they are. But does that mean a different play on words can't be used? I don't think so.
For example, RUOK might be read as Roo Auk but if you sound out every letter it becomes Are You Ok? Technically that's called a gramogram. But I would think something like that would be fair game even though nobody mentions gramograms specifically.
He definitely says that a cipher won't be used unless the chapter tells you exactly what it is and no further research is needed. But does that necessarily mean that the method is always mentioned somewhere in the chapter if the method isn't a cipher?
There was a question on the chat that asked if the method is described somewhere in the chapter and he never answered it so I think ciphers are the exception. Either that or the methods are always mentioned and he just wasn't going to commit to it.
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Post by susb8383 on Dec 8, 2020 14:27:27 GMT -5
Ok last comment because this is all pure speculation...
Dave said 1. If all you had was chapter x and no internet, you could solve chapter x. 2. He doesn't know any of the methods, only the locations.
To me these two statements are mutually exclusive. I don’t see how they can both be true.
So...if 2 is true and he has no idea of the methods, it seems to me that the method for chapter x could be in chapter y. Doesn’t it seem logical that the author would assume that if you’re reading chapter 4, you’ve already read 1, 2, and 3?
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Post by scottk on Jan 14, 2021 9:32:57 GMT -5
Ok last comment because this is all pure speculation... Dave said 1. If all you had was chapter x and no internet, you could solve chapter x. 2. He doesn't know any of the methods, only the locations. To me these two statements are mutually exclusive. I don’t see how they can both be true. So...if 2 is true and he has no idea of the methods, it seems to me that the method for chapter x could be in chapter y. Doesn’t it seem logical that the author would assume that if you’re reading chapter 4, you’ve already read 1, 2, and 3? They can both be true if "Theco" gave Dave some general guidelines without actually telling him what the methods are. If, for instance, Theco told Dave that each chapter's solution is self contained, he hasn't really told him what any given method is (ciphers, anagrams, word play, etc...) So Dave can know that any given solution is contained in the pertinent chapter whilst not knowing what the correct method is. As an analogy, if my brother hands me a box and says my mom's birthday present is inside, then I can say the following statements: 1. Here Mom, your birthday present is in this box 2. I have no idea what it is These statements are entirely compatible.
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