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Post by ronemund on Dec 1, 2020 18:08:46 GMT -5
If I'm reading this correctly, the whole thing came down to just some number-like blocks in the margins of a few pages. So all the rest of the book — the map and all the text and all the paintings (apart from two second-hands on clocks) — was just... filler???
Pretty much. 99% red herring. The first page says the solution is "based on clues both verbal and visual". I mean I guess..? The master riddle didn't turn out to mean much at all. People found the "master riddle" and still didn't solve it. It's not much of a master riddle if you can solve it and still not solve the thing. Shouldn't the master riddle maybe have said something about folding, since that was the only way you had the remotest chance of solving it?
The text, the story, the poem had nothing, zero, to do with the solution.
And yeah, what was PACE FORTY SOUTH about?
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Post by dalby2020 on Dec 1, 2020 18:09:55 GMT -5
Very good! Thank you for the solution. Sounds like most clues were picked up on (red-yellow; star code; page folds; degrees-minutes-seconds; read a second time). I just think there was a little too much going on with those borders. It's a challenge to pick up on those exact numbers. I know it had been mentioned, but still hard - with questions such as "is that a 3 or is that E" etc...
Anyway, I had a lot of fun with this one and always enjoy visits to MDI. Now we have a pilgrimage spot.
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Post by thedawailey on Dec 1, 2020 18:23:52 GMT -5
Refresh my memory....I thought this one WAS NOT supposed to be buried. Maybe I am remembering that incorrectly...Does anyone know for sure? I thought we got that information a long time ago, too, but I don't remember where it came from - maybe from Pel's interview? The book only says no monument or structure needs to be moved, altered or otherwise disturbed. I guess a fake rock doesn't count as a structure.
What were the verbal clues, and how could we solve this hunt without using an outside map &/or the internet to understand and use GPS/ Longitude & Latitude? Even if we could identify those numbers, AND assuming we already understood how Long/ Lat works, we wouldn't know where it was without using outside information.
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Post by ronemund on Dec 1, 2020 18:25:32 GMT -5
People found the 3 and 7, but not the ones because they aren't ones, they're different shaped bars. It basically came down to people found the ones, but had no idea they were supposed to be ones. If they actually looked like a 1, with a little bar at the top and a crossbar at the bottom, this would have been solved quite a while ago.
Seriously, look at the picture of the second '1' in the solution. What about the yellow 7 to the right of the red 1. It's yellow, right, so why wouldn't you count that instead of the '1'? Or the other yellow 1 to the right of the green square. How do we know it's only supposed to be a one digit number? Or in the fourth one, you could say there are a bunch of yellow 1s there, as well. They're colored bars as much as the ones that are supposed to be 1s.
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Post by ashmunk on Dec 1, 2020 18:28:49 GMT -5
I feel like the write-up of the solution itself is so revealing...They had 13 years to do it justice, and he comes out with a few pages that fail to address so many things...where’s a list of clues, confirmers, or even some clever meaning behind red herrings (“1957 was the year I got married” or something)? Literally the book says that “if you READ the book and examine the illustrations...” that you may solve it...but his brother who wrote the book did so with no clues or solution??? And the Master Riddle “roughly” spells the magic phrase?? I am thankful for this book because it has introduced me to armchair treasure hunts, and it has been a blast to look at this with my Mom, and to hear all of your thoughts, but I think Pel just didn’t do a good job...a good hunt is in the details, and he can’t be bothered to be consistent or clear about his. Maybe see you all on another hunt! Until then, take care : )
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Post by ronemund on Dec 1, 2020 18:31:13 GMT -5
What were the verbal clues
I guess it should have been clue, singular: NUMBERS OPE HIDFEN TREUSRE RIDLDE, which people found, but it didn't really illuminate all that much for a "master riddle"
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Post by astree on Dec 1, 2020 18:35:27 GMT -5
. I think designing a hunt that is difficult but not impossible is a hard task, so as not to be too critical. It would be nice to see answers to some of the questions raised.
After fandango dropped the key which Harbor did he get dropped into and is that relevant to the solution? Or was that a red herring?
And, what was the prize?
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Post by ashmunk on Dec 1, 2020 18:37:11 GMT -5
I think that the “no outside knowledge” was a misconception that people got from the Rick’s World interview...he was asking about whether people had to go to a website, (my guess is he was wondering if it was like a scavenger type hunt where one part leads you to somewhere else ( book to website to another website??...) ) and Pel said you didn’t need to go outside the book (paraphrasing here)...I think he just meant that there were no other parts to the hunt, but clearly you would need to have outside knowledge to apply any kind of method, or clue toward a solution... and the “not buried” assumption came from an interview he did where he said he didn’t want people to go around “digging up the park” Refresh my memory....I thought this one WAS NOT supposed to be buried. Maybe I am remembering that incorrectly...Does anyone know for sure? I thought we got that information a long time ago, too, but I don't remember where it came from - maybe from Pel's interview? The book only says no monument or structure needs to be moved, altered or otherwise disturbed. I guess a fake rock doesn't count as a structure.
What were the verbal clues, and how could we solve this hunt without using an outside map &/or the internet to understand and use GPS/ Longitude & Latitude? Even if we could identify those numbers, AND assuming we already understood how Long/ Lat works, we wouldn't know where it was without using outside information.
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Post by ashmunk on Dec 1, 2020 18:38:40 GMT -5
. I think designing a hunt that is difficult but not impossible is a hard task, so as not to be too critical. It would be nice to see answers to some of the questions raised. And, what was the prize? Apparently in the write up it was literally $10,000...
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Post by astree on Dec 1, 2020 18:41:40 GMT -5
. I think the prize was supposed to be worth at least $10,000 or the winner could take $10,000 cash instead
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Post by ronemund on Dec 1, 2020 18:56:47 GMT -5
After fandango dropped the key which Harbor did he get dropped into and is that relevant to the solution? Or was that a red herring?
Pretty much everything was a red herring. The story and poem had zero to do with the solution. The stars and the borders were almost the whole thing. Even the pictures weren't needed other than for the two clocks.
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Post by HopefulLeigh on Dec 1, 2020 20:08:09 GMT -5
Well, it was nice to visit the island and explore even though I don't think I ever would have solved this!
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Post by ronemund on Dec 1, 2020 21:01:27 GMT -5
You know what's odd? The three and seven you can pretty much easily spot without bothering to fold the page. And the 'ones' only get one extra 'block' added to it, which doesn't make it look any more like a one than it did already.
I thought maybe the key is that only items that are continuous across the fold count, so the 3 we know is right because the three extends over the fold. But then you look at the next one and the yellow 7 also extends over the fold. And then in the red 7 picture, there are 2 yellow bars that cross the fold on either side of it.
Honestly, I think this was a little messy and inconclusive as an approach.
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Post by stones on Dec 2, 2020 0:12:41 GMT -5
I'm curious.. Where did you get this?
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Post by stones on Dec 2, 2020 0:39:18 GMT -5
Very curious... Curiouser and curiouser.. Pel: Is there a smaller riddle within the master riddle? Judy: Is there smaller riddles within the master, to make the master? Pel: Yes, oh yes. They're different components that all feed into the master riddle. Rick: So it takes a riddle to solve the riddle. Judy: Right that's what I… Steve: There's multiple riddles… Pel: Yes. They’re multiple components so, and you may have already, you’ll come across different things, and by themselves they're not going to reveal the treasure. In conjunction with other components, they will.
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