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Post by inatimate1 on Feb 18, 2021 15:27:06 GMT -5
I think the headline must have been put there to aid with discovering the pictures, seeing as three parts of it are directly linked to those specific pictures. (As if the big hint when he picks the pictures up isn't enough!)
I would assume there's some relevance to BESCO. Otherwise why would he make it so clear? There's a few Besco's out there, but none with that specific logo.
And then there's still that fifth picture, which doesn't have any sort of link to the paper either.
And those numbers... 54215
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Post by empty on Feb 18, 2021 16:27:21 GMT -5
Aye, I've got the film (if it was produced in 2018 that is!) I wonder if these clues were used in the original app back in 2009, which would explain the use of the fifth one, as opposed to the other person who falls in to the list (and also appears in the film) I think you and I are thinking about different films (maybe).
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Post by empty on Feb 18, 2021 16:38:05 GMT -5
Do you think the creator will verify individual locations seeing as the hunt has been going for about 10 years?
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Post by inatimate1 on Feb 18, 2021 17:51:36 GMT -5
I feel like I've managed to crack the location alluded to in this video. I believe it's probably the easiest of the four as there's no verbal or written dialogue, and relies entirely on visual clues. I'm willing to share it, but I will do so in spoiler form, so that anyone who is still having a go doesn't have it ruined when looking for some guidance. I'm sure many people will have got to this stage, but will be unsure why, hopefully it ties up a few loose ends as it links back to what David has told us. I'll break it down in to the order in the video. There's still a fair bit of weird goings on from the video, but I firmly believe I've at least got the "first location" Rufus visited... The video begins with a record spinning (symbolic of what we need to find a solution). Followed by a small mound of dirt blowing off a newspaper. The headline being:
L.A. WOMAN FRANCES FARMER BURIED ALIVE WITH MESSAGE OF LOVE
Along with a few other bits and bobs, which may be relevant to the main solve.
We then see Monsieur Underhill digging, before stopping to have a swig of a large jug of, what appears to be, cider. (There's a lot of references to apples in his videos, and he said on his 6 questions that he got a lot of usage out of an Apple iPhone 4, maybe it's a nod to them.)
Monsieur Underhill briefly points at the moon, and then we see him sitting down with a wrapped bundle with the number '27' written on the back of it before flipping it over.
We then see the sky, the moon moves across the sky and the numbers 51 404 021 appear at the top of a grid, followed by the numbers 915 632 0, upside down at the bottom of the grid.
We see the record once more followed by Monsieur Underhill pointing at the camera and then a close up of the middle of the record spinning, which has a strong resemblance to the Hypnosis Spiral.
We go back to Monsieur Underhill digging, where he seems to find the bundle he was unwrapping earlier (thus showing that the scenes in the video are not in the right order) and he celebrates at his discovery. In between this we see the record spinning some more, and a pretty odd scene of stars falling on the right hand side of the screen, with wind turbines and a strange radar type of illustration on the left... This I'm not too sure about, and believe that it might be linked to the final location.
Monsieur Underhill is then seen looking at a group of five illustrations. Whilst the scene also cuts to Rufus turning his hand on his nose, and then gesturing in a "flip around" style. We also see another short clip of a needle on a record.
After he has shown us the fifth illustration he removes his hat and places it on top of the five drawings.
We then see Monsieur Underhill walking across the screen with a white sheet moving up and down in a very odd manner, accompanied by a high pitched giggle from Rufus.
NOW HERE'S WHAT I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND
The numbers in the grid are coordinates, the top row can easily be read as 51 404 021, which can be converted to 51° 24' 14.476" N, but there may be a bit of confusion about the bottom row. I believe this is cleared up by Monsieur Underhill's gestures when flipping through the pictures. Turning the numbers the right way up gives us 0 632 915, if you convert this you'll get 0° 37' 58.494" E . However, these coordinates send you to the middle of the Medway Estuary. The second signal Rufus gives us is the one to "flip around", if we flipped these coordinates to their negative format we get the final coordinates...
51° 24' 14.476" N 0° 37' 58.494" W
This leads us to location on the outskirts of Ascot, just north of the B383. It looks pretty meaningless and seems a bit too simple... or is it?
Now on to the pictures At first glance they may all seem a bit odd, but there are numerous ways to get to the meaning behind them:
If you look at the second picture, it's almost as clear as day that this is a group of four people, if you can put the link together that this may be a band, then well done, but what does it all mean? Firstly the number '27' on the back of the bundle may be a hint. There's an infamous group known as the "27 club" which is a group of musicians who all died at the age of 27. At the time the original puzzle was posted in 2009 this group contained, Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison of the Doors and Kurt Cobain of Nirvana. If you look through the albums made by these artists you'll discover that these are illustrations of some of their album covers:
The first picture is In Utero by Nirvana (there is also a number 5 just above the woman's right hand) The second picture is L.A. Woman by the Doors (there is a number 4 just below Jim) The third picture is Peal by Janis Joplin (there is a number 2 below Janis) The fourth picture is Band of Gypsies by Jimi Hendrix (there is a number 1 on the head of Jimi's guitar) (The fifth picture contains a number 5 amongst the branches of the tree)
The Newspaper headline also alludes to these: L.A. Woman (The Doors album and Title Track) Frances Farmer (Track 5 on In Utero is Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge In Seattle) Buried Alive (Track 5 on side 1 of Pearls is Buried Alive in the Blues) With Message of Love (Track 4 on side 2 of Band of Gypsies is Message of Love)
Now you may think that the fifth picture would be a link to the Rolling Stones, but it isn't. In fact with a bit searching you may come to discover that the album cover is actually that of John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band by John Lennon. (In fact it's the first picture that came up for me in Google images when searching for 'two people tree album cover'
There is another album with an almost identical picture entitled Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band by Yoko Ono. There's no difference as to which one is used for the purposes of solving the first location, but the album is the John Lennon version. If you look at the illustration carefully you'll notice that the woman has both knees up which is consistent with the John Lennon version, in Yoko's version she only has one leg lifted.
As John Lennon didn't die at the age of 27, and his album isn't referenced in any way in the newspaper headline, you can deduce that this is an intentional outlier of the group, and therefore must carry some significance as to why it was chosen.
If you read up on the album cover you'll discover that the picture was taken at John Lennon's Tittenhurst Park Estate.
So where is this Tittenhurst Park Estate? Well, chuck it in to Google Maps and you'll get a location on the outskirts of Ascot, just north of the B383. The same general location given by the coordinates from the other scene.
Now if there was any doubt to this being the first location, I'd say it's best to read what David said in his 6 questions...
The way to get the location could have been solved using the straight and obvious route with the coordinates, but the pinpoint seems a bit random. Or, you could have gone the long "curved" way round by deciphering the pictures, and come to the same location.
Either way, the first location Rufus visited, I believe, is John Lennon's Tittenhurst Park Estate.
And just in case there's any doubt to this, David even gave us an even bigger clue in his six questions, if you look at that last part again...
Those coordinates were very much specific...
If you look at the coordinates in Google Maps and zoom in you'll notice that it's smack bang in the middle of a small area of water, the outline of which forms a letter 'D'.
Now there's still plenty which doesn't add up completely...
What do the scenes with the wind turbines, and the one at the end with the oddly moving sheet mean? What do the numbers which appear on each of the drawings mean?
I Believe that the numbers on the pictures are a link to the final location and might end up being important with the rest of the references from other videos.
Like I said at the start I believe this is probably the easiest of the videos to dissect and work out, so if there's something glaringly obvious in the other three, you can almost be certain that there will be a much longer process which ultimately leads to the same answer. Hope this helps everyone slightly! If you disagree with what I've got so far then feel free to share as well.
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Post by kbellis on Feb 19, 2021 10:50:15 GMT -5
Hats off to you! Well done, thought through, and explained. Comments The (WGS84) coordinates 51.404021° N, 0.632915° W fall very nearly on the longitudinal centerline of the 65-meter radial landscape feature, and about 7 meters south from its E-W axis
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Post by kbellis on Feb 20, 2021 10:28:18 GMT -5
@ 00:00:28, frame 5 through frame 18, we see the person digging up the bundle of records screwing his hand onto his nose. I'm not sure why. Is it because he thinks the Doors stink? Or is it some English gesture version of avoir un coup dans le nez?
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Post by kbellis on Feb 20, 2021 10:45:45 GMT -5
We then see Rufus digging, before stopping to have a swig of a large jug of, what appears to be, cider. Rufus briefly points at the moon, followed by Rufus pointing at the camera We go back to Rufus digging, Rufus is then seen looking We then see Rufus walking inatimate1 - Rufus is the name of the fox that buried the acorn. The guy digging up the bundle of records I think is Monsieur Underhill, whose name is possibly a nod to the name Gandalf gave Frodo Baggins to travel under when he left Hobbiton in The Fellowship of the Ring by J.R.R. Tolkien
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Post by inatimate1 on Feb 20, 2021 10:52:55 GMT -5
Ohhh, I thought Rufus was the individual.
Or is he the guy with the beard in the second video?
Too many characters in this... I'll go back an re-edit to avoid confusion
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Post by kbellis on Feb 26, 2021 6:45:04 GMT -5
Apparently, the Tittenhurst circular landscape water feature wasn't the positional solution for Film No. 1...
From David: My followup reply:
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Post by inatimate1 on Feb 26, 2021 8:52:42 GMT -5
Well that throws a spanner in it all. Odd that there's two ways round to find the same location. All roads lead to Rome, but the actual location is Constantinople 😂
It's good to know that it is of significance though. I have been of the mindset that the overall location of the acorn's burial place will have a link to those four men from Liverpool from the start. That response looks to be a firm pointer in said direction
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Post by empty on Feb 26, 2021 9:06:17 GMT -5
That seems like the biggest red herring in the world. And this clue seemed the easiest.......
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Post by empty on Feb 26, 2021 9:06:33 GMT -5
That seems like the biggest red herring in the world. And this clue seemed the easiest.......
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Post by inatimate1 on Feb 26, 2021 10:47:49 GMT -5
That seems like the biggest red herring in the world. And this clue seemed the easiest....... It's not a red herring, based on what David said in his six questions... "Each film contains clues, which identify each location. Each film also contains one or more clues, which help to locate the Acorns exact burial place." So, ok, it may not have pinpointed the location answer for the first film. But he's confirmed in his email response that Tittenhurst Park is indeed intentionally there, but rather to help locate the Acorn's burial place in some way. So the question remains, if that's not the answer for the first location, how do we go about finding it? One thing that has become apparent to me, mainly thanks to the correction by kbellis, is that each of the videos contains completely different 'characters'. Perhaps these individuals are based on real people in one way or another, and working out who those people are is the key to discovering the location. Maybe we are meant to actually be seeing things through the eyes of Rufus? So Rufus went to wherever these people came from (that being how we discover each location), and was witnessing what we see in the videos, before settling on his final location.
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Post by kbellis on Feb 26, 2021 10:48:05 GMT -5
That seems like the biggest red herring in the world. And this clue seemed the easiest....... It's possible that Dave misunderstood my FIRST stop as being the final solution, however explicit I've been. Doesn't bode well either way.
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Post by kbellis on Feb 26, 2021 10:54:37 GMT -5
So the question remains, if that's not the answer for the first location, how do we go about finding it? That's the crux.
At least we get to listen to old music along the way. Like we're literally told (in Film No. 2) to listen to the the man on the hill. Lots of things spinning round and round!
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