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Clue #1
Jan 18, 2021 8:11:51 GMT -5
Post by susb8383 on Jan 18, 2021 8:11:51 GMT -5
Or...maybe this clue is meant to be used in conjunction with another upcoming clue. So something down the line will indicate a subset of these symbols.
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Clue #1
Jan 18, 2021 9:00:14 GMT -5
Post by susb8383 on Jan 18, 2021 9:00:14 GMT -5
Aha! In Jenny’s interview he says “Taken in sum and properly deciphered, the twelve clues...”
Doesn’t “taken in sum” mean the clues all fit together? Which would mean you can’t decode this one without help from an upcoming clue?
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Post by brucewayne on Jan 18, 2021 16:11:46 GMT -5
What's the point of putting out a clue that can't be deciphered without more info though? My guess is this decodes to a riddle of sorts, or another poem. And it takes all 12 riddles or poems to solve the location of the gems.
But it doesn't make sense to need all the clues to solve the clues themselves
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Clue #1
Jan 18, 2021 22:37:27 GMT -5
Post by stercox on Jan 18, 2021 22:37:27 GMT -5
So, what else can the clue tell us? Right-handed slant, could that indicate rotation of the grids clockwise?? I tired a single rotation without getting a coherent message. Could be a continued rotation per cipher character, but this makes my head hurt, so I haven't attempted it yet. Additionally, the pigpen cipher lends itself nicely to rotation, so you could work with a fixed traditional grid and rotate the parchment. Also, Jenny might be right with other grid variations like # X #* X* or #* # X* X, etc. I have not run these scenarios yet either, but using the single character for I or A to key off of may simplify that task. Sadly, none of these ideas are really clearly hinted at through the puzzle itself that this is the direction to go.
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Post by dean on Feb 5, 2021 4:57:12 GMT -5
Seems like a unique pigpen cipher. I wonder if there is a clue in the prologue.
If the spacing is correct, the double letters at the start of the words could imply that the cipher is running backwards/mirrored. I think there are three different double letter starts, which could be 'll' 'ee' 'ss' 'oo' 'ff' etc.
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Clue #1
Feb 5, 2021 12:51:08 GMT -5
Post by susb8383 on Feb 5, 2021 12:51:08 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if this is a coded messages that uses something like a vigenere cipher which doesn't have a 1-to-1 correspondence of letters, then having a double symbol at the end of a word doesn't matter. Isn't that true?
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Clue #1
Feb 5, 2021 15:12:52 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by stercox on Feb 5, 2021 15:12:52 GMT -5
I poked a stick at that idea a while ago, but still didn't come up with anything useful. Used a bunch of keywords derived from the prologue, again not a satisfying path, but certainly could have missed something.
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Clue #1
Feb 5, 2021 17:01:26 GMT -5
Post by susb8383 on Feb 5, 2021 17:01:26 GMT -5
I poked a stick at that idea a while ago, but still didn't come up with anything useful. Used a bunch of keywords derived from the prologue, again not a satisfying path, but certainly could have missed something. Did you try it with both variations of a pigpen? (one starts the JKL in the X and another starts it in the #, if that makes sense.)
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Clue #1
Feb 5, 2021 17:22:21 GMT -5
Post by stercox on Feb 5, 2021 17:22:21 GMT -5
I think I just ran the first several lines deciphered as given with different keys derived from the prologue. I could have done it also mirrored, but I won't swear to it. It was a bit ago. I would double check the effort, if you are inspired by a certain train of thought. I think its a lousy opener for a 12 month long puzzle. I've opted to see how February's clue looks at this point. It is possible that this one would not be solvable without additional puzzle parts given in a subsequent month. I guess we'll find out.
I did not use varying grid population, that I am sure of.
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Clue #1
Feb 9, 2021 16:23:25 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by mariposa416 on Feb 9, 2021 16:23:25 GMT -5
I was thinking a key word would be entered into the grid to start and the rest of the alphabet would fill in from there in the style of Playfair but using the Pig Pen ciphers. I started toying with Seekers as the keyword but that’s as far as I got and obviously taking out double /repeats it would be Sekr OR sexkr (x Indicating double E)
I also started a letter frequency analysis to try to figure out what COULD be e. Has anyone tried the Assasins Creed pig pen cipher?
My first thought was .. double encryption. If we use normal Pigpen; the second encryption could be Caesar.. not sure the # to shift
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Clue #1
Feb 26, 2021 14:54:18 GMT -5
Post by tahoeeyes on Feb 26, 2021 14:54:18 GMT -5
Has anyone figured out this cipher yet?
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Post by jminnesota on Apr 9, 2021 0:34:56 GMT -5
not I
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Post by engr101 on Jul 25, 2021 20:20:22 GMT -5
FWIW...If you use Excel or Word to type out the alphabet using any standard font, then change the alphabet to the Pigpen Cipher font (free on-line) the sequence of characters match this format, i.e., they use the same ASCII codes.
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Clue #1
Aug 25, 2021 12:46:24 GMT -5
Post by mnhunter on Aug 25, 2021 12:46:24 GMT -5
So, what else can the clue tell us? Right-handed slant, could that indicate rotation of the grids clockwise?? I tired a single rotation without getting a coherent message. Could be a continued rotation per cipher character, but this makes my head hurt, so I haven't attempted it yet. Additionally, the pigpen cipher lends itself nicely to rotation, so you could work with a fixed traditional grid and rotate the parchment. Also, Jenny might be right with other grid variations like # X #* X* or #* # X* X, etc. I have not run these scenarios yet either, but using the single character for I or A to key off of may simplify that task. Sadly, none of these ideas are really clearly hinted at through the puzzle itself that this is the direction to go. Have you had any further luck? I have also been working on a rotation idea, but I will note that all of the single letter symbols in the ciphers are the same pigpen character (L). There are 3 reasons I think at least some rotation is involved... - Pigpen lends itself well to symbol rotation
- The cipher on clues 3 and 7 are rotated clockwise around the edge of the photo
- The pigpen on clue 7 is the same as the pigpen from clue 1, just upside down
Since the single letter characters are all the same symbol (L), my idea is that maybe each word resets the rotation. Meaning for each word in the cipher, don't rotate the first letter, but then rotate each subsequent letter clockwise by its index. So second letter would be rotate once, third rotated twice etc. Seems a little complicated, and doesn't result in a message without using a secondary decipher anyways.
At this point, to me, it definitely seems like this is a double ciphered message, and I don't think that the 2nd cipher is monoalphabetic.
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Clue #1
Aug 25, 2021 15:05:53 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by stercox on Aug 25, 2021 15:05:53 GMT -5
I ran all kinds of rotations and grid variants without much luck. I've stopped looking at this as only a pigpen cipher. It can't be a simple substitution because the double characters at the beginning of some of the sentences and a rolling rotating pigpen is just cruel. What I've been doing lately is I moved it to alpha and am running keyword vigeneres. Have I been lucky, no, not yet. It's very exasperating. The rest of the hunt is really fun and done quite well, very imaginative. But at this point, the pigpen just kills all the puzzle joy out of it. I'm hoping that near the end we will get some clue that will hint toward its method. Then it'll be a race to the finish.
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