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Post by susb8383 on Jan 20, 2021 22:25:35 GMT -5
Wait a sec...so the object was in New Mexico??? How could that possibly be? Dave said that the four objects are east and west of the Mississippi and north and south of the 40th parallel. Nevada and New Mexico are in the same quadrant.
What am I missing?
Unless what he meant was not exclusively. So if the next two are in Maine and Indiana (again same quadrant), two would have been north of the 40, south of the 40, east of the Mississippi, and west of the Mississippi.
Which makes his statement really misleading imo.
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Post by jotypo on Jan 20, 2021 22:29:30 GMT -5
Tiny wings...chicken dinner🙄
I tried basically that same method with exclamation points(because Kayla was so enthusiastic) and question marks(because Neil asks so many questions)
I still don't think that I would've figured out the comma thing though.
Getting a slightly better glimpse into the minds of the creators though maybe
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Post by David C. on Jan 20, 2021 23:48:32 GMT -5
Congrats to the winner indeed!
As someone who thought the chapter 4 solution was fun and interesting, I have to say that this solution method is quite disappointing. I don't think it's just a "sour grapes" reaction (today has been a very good day)...curious to hear what others think. But this method makes it less fun to think about future chapters when it's now a real possibility that the remaining solutions will also be fairly random and arbitrary, with no relation to the content or themes of the chapter, no internal clues, no relevance of the title, and lots of seemingly intentional red herrings.
A good test of a puzzle's quality is whether you want to kick yourself or the author after learning the solution. After learning the chapter 4 solution I wanted to kick myself, but for this one...
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Post by Jenny on Jan 21, 2021 7:53:43 GMT -5
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Post by thedawailey on Jan 21, 2021 9:26:00 GMT -5
Wait a sec...so the object was in New Mexico??? How could that possibly be? Dave said that the four objects are east and west of the Mississippi and north and south of the 40th parallel. Nevada and New Mexico are in the same quadrant. What am I missing? Unless what he meant was not exclusively. So if the next two are in Maine and Indiana (again same quadrant), two would have been north of the 40, south of the 40, east of the Mississippi, and west of the Mississippi. Which makes his statement really misleading imo. I thought the same thing, but they didn't say there was one in each quadrant. Las Vegas and Santa Fe qualify as south of the 40th and west of the Mississippi River. Technically, there could still be a third one in this quadrant, with the last one being north of the 40th and east of the Mississippi River and still be within these guidelines. Or one in say, Iowa and one in North Carolina. There are a lot of possibilities without one being in each quadrant. As long as they are all at least 500 miles apart anyway. |
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Post by thedawailey on Jan 21, 2021 9:37:33 GMT -5
Kudos to the winners - great job! I was not even close!
So the method to chapter two was really the same as the method for chapter four.
Chapter four: List Song title and Singer - go back and forth between the first letters to spell the solution.
Chapter two: List words on either side of the commas - go back and forth between the first letters to spell the solution.
I though each solution was supposed to be a different method. These are the same, although with a different twist.
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Post by whispa on Jan 21, 2021 9:43:11 GMT -5
I had thought the methods we needed to use were 'explained' in the chapter. "If it's not fully explained, don't use it" (paraphrasing)... I can't seem to find it explained in this chapter... or is that simply referencing ciphers only? I know there's another discussion somewhere here about the 'methods explained'. I'll be honest.. I had been going about the hunt a completely different way/looking for methods explained.. even if in a hidden way. So, this is a bit off for me. Anyone else? Or anyone able to find where in the chapter we were hinted/told to use words after commas?
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Post by davem on Jan 21, 2021 11:11:39 GMT -5
I had thought the methods we needed to use were 'explained' in the chapter. "If it's not fully explained, don't use it" (paraphrasing)... I can't seem to find it explained in this chapter... or is that simply referencing ciphers only? I know there's another discussion somewhere here about the 'methods explained'. I'll be honest.. I had been going about the hunt a completely different way/looking for methods explained.. even if in a hidden way. So, this is a bit off for me. Anyone else? Or anyone able to find where in the chapter we were hinted/told to use words after commas? People kept saying similar things to this but what I heard Dave say himself pertained only to "ciphers". And he never said that the cipher method would be explained "only within the chapter that it is used in". He said that if the cipher is explained, then it can be used. If it's not, then it's not used. I think everyone played the Telephone Game on that one too. |
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Post by davem on Jan 21, 2021 11:25:26 GMT -5
Kudos to the winners - great job! I was not even close! So the method to chapter two was really the same as the method for chapter four. Chapter four: List Song title and Singer - go back and forth between the first letters to spell the solution. Chapter two: List words on either side of the commas - go back and forth between the first letters to spell the solution. I though each solution was supposed to be a different method. These are the same, although with a different twist. Believe me, I'm not advocating this method as being anything cool or witty. Nobody would have gotten this without the 2 clues (unless there is a reveal of some grand scheme to hints forthcoming and I sure hope there is some such reveal), But firstly, it was only letters that came "after" the commas. Not on "either side" of the commas. Secondly, I've ben doing these ATHs for many years and when there's only text available to come up with codes and ciphers that spell out the solutions, these two solves are, in my opinion, completely different methodologies. One used a "theme" to retrieve first letters from words "strewn throughout" the text. The other only took the first letter after commas starting at the "beginning" of the chapter. Vastly different. But remember, the other 2 chapters (the other 8 actually) will also "only have text in the chapter" to deal with. No images or any other method to help out. The next one might feel similar to you as well. But there are only so many ways you can spell out solutions when you're only using text. |
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Post by whispa on Jan 21, 2021 11:26:21 GMT -5
I had thought the methods we needed to use were 'explained' in the chapter. "If it's not fully explained, don't use it" (paraphrasing)... I can't seem to find it explained in this chapter... or is that simply referencing ciphers only? I know there's another discussion somewhere here about the 'methods explained'. I'll be honest.. I had been going about the hunt a completely different way/looking for methods explained.. even if in a hidden way. So, this is a bit off for me. Anyone else? Or anyone able to find where in the chapter we were hinted/told to use words after commas? People kept saying similar things to this but what I heard Dave say himself pertained only to "ciphers". And he never said that the cipher method would be explained "only within the chapter that it is used in". He said that if the cipher is explained, then it can be used. If it's not, then it's not used. I think everyone played the Telephone Game on that one too. Yep can unabashedly say I was one of those people. I heard what I wanted to hear although the quote I have from Dave says 'method' not cipher, although the previous sentence was discussing a cipher. So it seems, unless someone gets lucky and finds the correct text to use for the solve, that we will just need to wait for clues... |
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Post by susb8383 on Jan 21, 2021 11:27:57 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this today and I have a theory. It's a total stretch and I might just be seeing things that aren't there. But...
The title of the chapter is "Winner Winner Chicken Dinner."
Grammatically, that title would be more correct if it were "Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner." So maybe that was drawing our attention to commas in a very subtle way.
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Post by whispa on Jan 21, 2021 11:30:27 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this today and I have a theory. It's a total stretch and I might just be seeing things that aren't there. But... The title of the chapter is "Winner Winner Chicken Dinner." Grammatically, that title would be more correct if it were "Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner." So maybe that was drawing our attention to commas in a very subtle way. Agree. That's the closest I've found to a hint within the text to look to the commas. |
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Post by susb8383 on Jan 21, 2021 11:34:36 GMT -5
I assumed when Dave went to check that something was still hidden recently (see his tweets), he was checking on the item for the next hint. But there's no way Sante Fe was 20 degrees!
More speculating:
Dave's road trip was somewhere in the Rockies, like Colorado. The temp rose about 20 degrees in a few hours of driving. So I'm thinking it was 20 in a mountainous region and then 40 when he came out of the mountains. I'm guessing that particular location was west of the Mississippi and north of 40. So the last item would be somewhere east of the Mississippi, but that's all we know.
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Post by susb8383 on Jan 21, 2021 11:41:23 GMT -5
I had thought the methods we needed to use were 'explained' in the chapter. "If it's not fully explained, don't use it" (paraphrasing)... I can't seem to find it explained in this chapter... or is that simply referencing ciphers only? I know there's another discussion somewhere here about the 'methods explained'. I'll be honest.. I had been going about the hunt a completely different way/looking for methods explained.. even if in a hidden way. So, this is a bit off for me. Anyone else? Or anyone able to find where in the chapter we were hinted/told to use words after commas? People kept saying similar things to this but what I heard Dave say himself pertained only to "ciphers". And he never said that the cipher method would be explained "only within the chapter that it is used in". He said that if the cipher is explained, then it can be used. If it's not, then it's not used. I think everyone played the Telephone Game on that one too. Agree and disagree.
> what I heard Dave say himself pertained only to "ciphers". Yup. Agree, he only said a cipher would be explained, not the method would.
>And he never said that the cipher method would be explained "only within the chapter that it is used in". Disagree. While he didn't say those actual words, he did say that if you were locked in a room with only a chapter and no internet, you would be able to solve it. And he said every chapter is self-contained, not the book is self-contained. Which would mean to me that IF a cipher is used, it will be described in the same chapter.
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Post by davem on Jan 21, 2021 11:55:43 GMT -5
>And he never said that the cipher method would be explained "only within the chapter that it is used in". Disagree. While he didn't say those actual words, he did say that if you were locked in a room with only a chapter and no internet, you would be able to solve it. And he said every chapter is self-contained, not the book is self-contained. Which would mean to me that IF a cipher is used, it will be described in the same chapter.
Hmmm, yeah I can see where those two things might be blended together. It's a fair point. But, I think if I was being asked these questions I might have said the same thing. Those two concepts (chapters standing alone and cipher methods being explained) were discussed at different times in the questioning. It's a fair point right up until .... if you have one chapter to be locked in that room, you also have the other chapters (a book seller would always think this way). The no Internet part was pertaining only to no outside knowledge is necessary - outside of the chapters within the book.  |
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