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Post by diceycat on Nov 30, 2021 10:22:53 GMT -5
Now let me say first off I do like the theory that the casque is buried by the foot of one of those lions but I’m going to give you a different view point. As you may have already guessed I’m a big believer in drawing lines across the paintings to figure out the location of the casques, from corner to corner or centre up and down or left to right. I believe the painting is a representation of a map of Lake park, ( see pic below). Remember now that Fairy secrets come in two’s . I think the rebus for Milwaukee is also a second story line. Lets start at the Skeleton key . The line crosses the TIP of the key ( this just might be a tip to the location). The key might tie into the light house cause it’s old or the pattern shape made by the sidewalk by the light house. Now if you extend the line from the skeleton key across the girls head you fall directly into a DIAMOND shape ( think baseball diamond) in the millstone. When you look at the baseball DIAMOND from Google earth you see it has a roundish shape and the same colour as the mill stone. The walking stick is also a putter( for the golf course there) You see the so call grub in the image and some call it a Locust grub ( for Locust street). Is the 32 in the hands a representation for the 32 you see at Locust st.? Now look at the position of the jewel in relation to the map. It happens to fall very close to the number 5 Picnic site.( It’s all about the Sign). Lets read the last few lines of the verse “ You’ll see a letter from the country of Wonderstones hearth On a proud tall fifth At it’s southern foot the treasure awaits” I read one person’s comment that “ Wonderstones hearth” refers to Poland , now that’s interesting since the letter from the country Poland starts with a “P” and so does Picnic. Makes you wonder. So is this where the casque is buried , by the number 5 picnic site post? ( maybe 1 foot away in a southern direction?). Or is some letter carved into a tree ( in the Japanese translation the editor seems to think it’s a tree, you could say the post was once a tree) and that’s the location to look for? Another thing that bothers me is the verse line preceding “ Pass three, staying west”. Is it about 3 birch trees on the right side of the path when you head south east or are you heading west past picnic site number 3, ( wherever that picnic site is/was). One has to keep in mind that 40 years have passed and sign post locations may change, trees not so much.
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Post by jon on Dec 1, 2021 12:34:37 GMT -5
Diceycat I have a similar theory and I do think it is in this area. Are you close to Milwaukee? Im 4 hrs away but might just make a trip out that way.
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Post by diceycat on Dec 1, 2021 19:29:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately I live further away than that. What I find troubling and confusing about the verse is that it doesn’t make a lot of sense. Maybe I haven’t dug deep enough into it. I was almost thinking a one time that 3 stories of Mitchell was referring to the Apollo Astronaut Edgard Mitchell who was the 6th person to walk on the moon and what’s with all the moons in the other paintings. I think the 11 moons in San Francisco is for Apollo 11 and JFK tie in. Mitchell did write some books but not sure how many prior to 1982. Those lines about space and time and three who lived there may apply but then again in the Japanese edition it states that the 3 stories of Mitchell is a bldg. and I believe someone showed in a photo, a 3 story bldg. in Montreal that had the word Mitchell on it located on Drummond St. as you head toward Mt. Royal from the Mount Stephen Club Also you have an image of a brass Maple Leaf set in the concrete sidewalk ( see my Montreal … NOT post), for walk on nature cast in copper . The Japanese edition said nature was a leaf. So now you have a controversy. Is it a Montreal or Milwaukee verse? Another thing that struck me was the fact that the girl was juggling. Why juggling? Is there a place in Milwaukee where they busker? Quebec City is the Busking Capital of Canada. So could the roof top image in the painting background match the roof top of the hotel Chateau Frontenac or how about the roof top of Disneyland/ world? I think it’s probably a closer match to the Milwaukee City hall. So even if we can’t figure out the verse completely maybe we can locate the casque by looking at the painting . The final location seems to be in the centre of each painting. That’s why the lions face in the hair (the lion statue) if that’s what it is and not something else ,is close to the dig site. The fact that the exact centre of the painting falls at the foundation or footings or base of the city hall bldg. This might reference to the support /foundation that the lion is perched on.( Same type of stone as City hall foundation?) Well a few different ways to look at it. GLTA
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Post by choice on Dec 1, 2021 20:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by diceycat on Dec 1, 2021 23:09:43 GMT -5
Thanks Choice, now that makes sense. I thought I would toss this out there as a possibility. Seems awfully coincidental that the line crosses Picnic site 5. and the line runs in a south easterly direction
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Post by canuck on Dec 2, 2021 0:43:26 GMT -5
I like the 32 in the hands for Wisconsin Highway 32 AKA Red Arrow Highway, which runs next to Lake Park. The jugglers forehead, eyebrows and bridge of nose form a large arrow, which may be a hint to search the North Point neighbourhood of Milwaukee, which includes the southern part of Lake Park.
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Post by diceycat on Dec 2, 2021 10:46:36 GMT -5
I like that as well Canuck. The number 32 red arrow Hwy. Let me elaborate more with the painting and map . Now the skeleton key could represent the haunted light house or the shape of the walkways by it but it could also represent the key to this puzzle. The key falls in a between the putter( putting green?) or below the golf course and the red ball ( bocce ball or lawn bowling court). It’s a narrow path between the two and points towards the baseball diamond. I would take a close look along the red line in the pic below to see if a culvert or sewer cover lies along this path. Especially around picnic site 5 or on Ravine Rd. That could be the location. The verse section where is says step on nature ,(cast in copper). I believe is in reference to the Oak leaf trail ( Japanese hint). Now the next line”cast in copper“ might have nothing to do with the “step on nature” line but is actually something else that’s a cast copper metal, ( man hole sewer cover?). I would check for any manhole cover on the Oak leaf trail or on the Ravine road heading toward the lake. You could interpret this bronze / copper like cast (manhole cover) sits above your nature waste ( sewer),pipe. So definitely look for the manhole cover and the small culvert close together and possibly a birch tree close by, even though I can’t see any birches in the park. Now looking at the dark area that holds the jewel ( get it … HOLDS THE JEWEL), the area below the culvert on the painting to me looks like a black animal. At first I thought it might be a rat / maybe a beaver if there is a chewed tree, looking to the left but then again if you have the animal image looking to the right , the jewel being the eye ,you can see the head of a bird and beak that’s pointing to the right in the painting, it’s a Raven for Ravine Rd.? Even if that is not a putting green on the map , the line still runs below the golf course. I call it a bocce ball court but it could also be a lawn bowling court. link
In the pic above ( the painting),on the right side look at the relationship of the flower( Newberry garden), to the jewel. If you drew a line on the painting straight down ( red line),from the flower ( Newberry gardens) You can see that the jewel is just right of the red line on the painting That jewel position is actually north on the map .You have to assume her gaze is north. Now on the map if you draw a line straight east in this case from the Newberry garden you will see the intersection of the two lines and north of that is most likely the culvert.
It just so happens that the red line on the left pic above follows the exact same path as a line drawn from the skeleton key ( walkway image) to the baseball diamond. The line goes exactly between the putting green( or golf course)and Bocce ball or lawn bowling court. Now if you move the “location “ ( end point of the yellow line) of the steps to the top of the steps then that X point moves towards the lower road, Ravine road. Again that’s probably closer to where the culvert dumps out and the casque is located.
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Post by canuck on Dec 3, 2021 1:16:59 GMT -5
See the bell in the jugglers palm next to the “3”? The North Point Lighthouse has an 800 pound brass bell inside as one of the museum exhibits. As for “cast in copper” could be something made of copper or could mean you throw copper like pennies into a wishing well. Byron is so skilled at word play that you need to decipher his intended meaning of certain words. Word origins are important too…many of the last words of lines in the Milwaukee verse are of German origin such as birch and hearth. It had to be intentional on Byron’s part, too many to be coincidence. It may be easier to solve the puzzle by substituting in synonyms for some of these German origin words. For example, birch…you might be looking for birch trees, but the word also means nightstick, bat, cane, club, etc. so if you spot one of these instead it should help with the puzzle. Cane seems promising given there is a cane-shaped object in the painting. Anything around Lake Park other than that famous vent pipe that resembles a cane?
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Post by choice on Dec 3, 2021 2:55:48 GMT -5
Possibilities are limited only by our imagination. You may even consider direct word translation to German. 5th birch... Are there 5 or more canes around somewhere? Very unlikely. The word "wait" for example may get you to "lie in wait"; what lions are good at. We got 8 lions lying in wait on top of their perch. birch? soundalike? Perch in German is barsch. Another soundalike. www.robertknightgallery.com/photo-detail.php?id_img=834&id_cat=1&title=Lion%20Perch&shape=3
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Post by diceycat on Dec 3, 2021 9:01:13 GMT -5
Now I do like the fact that the casque is by one of those lion statues but my guess is that each and everyone of those statues have been probed extensively over the years. I realize that there are probably a million different ways to interpret this puzzle and only one will make sense once the casque is uncovered. Maybe you look for a tree at its southern foot and see if there are carvings in it and dig there.
Yes I saw the bell in the palm of the hand. It could be a nod to the bell in the North Point light house or it could be the “cast in copper”. In the Japanese hints they combine the two lines “ walk on nature cast in copper “ . So do we link the two lines together? Cast in copper ( Bronze works foundry?) or is he talking about two roads Oak Leaf trail and Lincoln dr. I see Oak leaf trails goes by those lion statues The bell in the hand is it a play on words like bell3 ( belfry) 3 bell ( tribal) or is a bell / ringing involved In lawn bowling? Or does it tie into 3 people who lived in the lighthouse ? Why two red balls ? Is it for two lawn bowling courts ; we’re they both there 40 years ago? Do you read it as a pair of balls ( parables). The object that I call a sewer cover could represent the lions mane , “ cast in copper “So is the final location by Oak leaf trail? Maybe you have to juggle those symbols or verse lines around to get another clue or the solve.
Certainly my theory has some flaws but I feel it’s still worth checking out . My guess it’s a fairly secluded area if the casque is by the end of a culvert . If there is no culvert or manhole cover in the vicinity then move on. I still like the painting based on the map . Why put her in the centre of the map?
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Post by canuck on Dec 3, 2021 9:47:05 GMT -5
Possibilities are limited only by our imagination. You may even consider direct word translation to German. 5th birch... Are there 5 or more canes around somewhere? Very unlikely. The word "wait" for example may get you to "lie in wait"; what lions are good at. We got 8 lions lying in wait on top of their perch. birch? soundalike? Perch in German is barsch. Another soundalike. www.robertknightgallery.com/photo-detail.php?id_img=834&id_cat=1&title=Lion%20Perch&shape=3Great points Choice! Fifth is interesting, could mean the actual fifth one of something, could be the fifth zodiac sign Leo, the lion, could be a fifth as in 1/5 and Wolcott was a 1 star general…quite a few possibilities.
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Post by diceycat on Dec 3, 2021 14:02:22 GMT -5
This is another way one could view the painting of the girl as a map and the map itself. So is the drainage grate and culvert and ravine involved some how. Are you to look for a tree in the ravine? In the Japanese hints he badgers BP about the proud tall fifth line and the editor thinks it’s a tree ( Birch tree?) with a letter carved into it ?. Assuming that the letter is a “P”. I realize now ,that there are different types of Birches and not just White barked ones. I don’t know if there is a drainage grate above the North point lighthouse at that location .
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Post by choice on Dec 3, 2021 17:02:04 GMT -5
Proud tall fifth could simply mean below the fifth lion in a pride of lions.
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Post by diceycat on Dec 3, 2021 19:57:05 GMT -5
The only thing with that is that 99.9% of the treasure hunters think that is where the casque is , by one of the lions, and still no casque. What would make that Japanese editor think it’s a tree. I think BP was trying to get him to think tree. Lion and tree are not easily interchangeable, just too divergent. Who would call a tree proud unless that word is carved in the tree, maybe? I think each line might have to be dissected . When the line says “ pass the compass and reach” . Is the reach a straight flowing section of a waterway ( maybe a section off the waterfalls)or do we connect that line to the next line. Reach also means “pass “,but you could read it other ways as well.
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Post by diceycat on Dec 3, 2021 23:22:18 GMT -5
This is another possibility for the casque location and it probably makes the most sense to me so far. It has to be a continuous walking path . I think you start at Mitchell Hall go east on Kenwood onto Oak Leaf trail over to the steps , up the steps and turn towards the North Point lighthouse still on Oak Leaf trail . Head to the second bridge and go towards the lake on the South Lighthouse Ravine trail to Lincoln memorial dr. then go west along the sidewalk . Count the number of sewer covers 3. The verse says pass 3. Right after you pass the 3rd sewer cover you reach the 5th light pole , the proud tall 5 th with the Wonderstones hearth letter on it “G” for Germany. Remember something proud can be embossed ie protruding. Now I’m assuming the light pole has a letter on it but I can’t be 100% certain since I can’t see all the sides. So what your looking for is where this sewer water dumps out and that’s across the road by the beach This is the spot that you might want to probe, at it’s southern foot.
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