Post by kstockamp on Aug 12, 2022 13:19:37 GMT -5
Hi hunters,
I recently posted my theory on Charleston. I used a similar method on St. Augustine Verse 9/6 to find a general area. I do better with words than I do pictures, and it did not spend a lot of time on the St Augustine painting. Perhaps someone can combine their efforts with mine to find the sweet spot. I would like to share the story I found, before I break down line for line my thoughts. At the end is the research I used to make sense (to me) of the verse. I found it interesting because it seems to me that both Charleston and St. Augustine have similar theme's of Civil Rights and Christianity, along with various other historical references. Would love to hear thoughts. Happy hunting!
Litany of jewels
Litany = a set
Jewels = a hard precious stone used as a bearing in a watch, compass, or other device.
St Augustine Verse 9/6
The Hadas of Iberia: Spanish
Sapphire, shy as a wild field flower. Bluebell
Hyacinthoides hispanica is native to the western part of the Iberian Peninsula
The bell acts as our compass, our starting point.
The Cathedral Basilica of St. Augustine (Spanish: Catedral basílica de San Agustín) is a historic cathedral in St. Augustine, Florida, and the seat of the Catholic Bishop of St. Augustine. It is located at 38 Cathedral Place between Charlotte and St. George Streets. The Cathedral has four bells, one salvaged from a previous church and thought to be the oldest bell in the United States. Another bell came from a British cathedral, a history with some irony due to that empire's repeated destruction of the St. Augustine church. On St. George St.
The story of the verse:
First period reflected Near men Navigating Birmingham (and) Greenwood (of) Root of operations of a specific measure to put into position of extreme disadvantage. You can still hear the angry mob.
(Land)mark cross Parallax. Move confidently in a specific direction through the period of darkness, equal value in absence of light- same characteristics moonlight in teardrops. Extending up from the stature (of) St. Augustine- Growth.
The Andrew Young Crossing. Footsteps on the sidewalk commemorate the events of June 9, 1964, when Andrew Young (later U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations) and other civil rights marchers were beaten by a large mob of whites.
The Landmark cross at the Fountain of Youth Garden is flat to the earth. A cross seen from another “parallax” would be one that is vertical, representing growth.
The first chapter: first period
Written in water: reflected
Near men
With wind rose: navigating
Behind bending branches: Birmingham (sycamore tree) Civil Rights
And a green picket fence: Greenwood Civil Rights
At the base of a tall tree: root of operations of a specific measure to put into position of extreme disadvantage (George Washington Oak NJ or Redwood CA) Puts us on St. George St.
You can still hear the honking: angry mob (According to legend, Gallic troops tried to sneak up the hill during the night, but disturbed a sacred flock of geese that lived in the temple of Juno. Their honking was loud enough to alert the Roman guards, who threw the invaders off the holy hill). Angry mob who attacked Andrew Young peacefully protesting on St. George St.
Shell, limestone, silver, salt: Landmark cross (flat to the ground) The Landmark Cross was a gift from Ponce de Leon left at the site where he landed. Landmark Cross is made of coquina rock and was found near a site where a salt cellar would later be found. The salt cellar was found in 1904 at the Fountain of Youth Park.
A “landmark” crossing of Andrew Young, a civil rights advocate who was beaten while marching in peaceful protest before being knocked unconscious on St. George St.
Stars move by day: Parralax effect whereby the position or direction of an object appears to differ when viewed from different positions, the lens of a camera. Need to see a cross differently.
Sails pass by night: move confidently in a specific direction through period of darkness
Even in darkness: equal value in absence of light (The Landmark Cross is not lit up- it is in darkness)
Like moonlight in teardrops: same characteristics moonlight in teardrops (this I think is important, I wasn't able to break it down to make sense, maybe a marker or something that looks like a crescent in a tear drop?)
Over the tall grass: Extending up from the stature St. Augustine
Years pass, rain falls: Growth; water falls
EDIT*****It was brought to my attention that The Great Cross is a national historic site. I revised the last line answer. There is a location here with a waterfall, although I do not know if it is pre-1982. Perhaps someone local to the area can understand and utilize it better. 29°55'19.8"N 81°19'29.0"W
Painting 6: “King of the Mountain”
Sapphire: below the knight/night (as homophone), has an * asterisk on it. “Footnote” (Foot Soldiers civil rights)
To the left: (East) Mother holding a child (Shrine The Shrine of Our Lady of La Leche at Mission Nombre de Dios is located at the Great Cross. The settlers brought with them the Spanish devotion to Nuestra Señora de La Leche y Buen Parto ("Our Lady of the Milk and Good Delivery"). The name comes from the image of the Blessed Virgin Mary nursing the infant Jesus, hence the reference to "la leche"—i.e., (breast) milk. (Growth)
Rock Side Profile: St. Augustine Mother
Father Francisco López de Mendoza Grajales
Following Menéndez’ veneration of the cross, thus proclaiming this land in the name of God (Nombre de Dios), and raising of the King’s flag, thus proclaiming this land also in the name of King Phillip II of Spain, Father López celebrated Mass at a rustic altar made of wood, a depiction of which is found on the Mission grounds. The sky served as the roof for what was the first parish Mass in what is now the United States. The feast for that day was the Nativity or birth of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Catholic Church continues to mark this feast on September 8 every year. 9th month 9:00
Juan Ponce de Leon landed in Florida on Easter Sunday in 1513, he named it Pasca de Flores, or theIsle of Flowers. The word pasca means neither isle nor any other Spanish word. Ponce de Leon named the land Pascua Florida, or Flowery Easter in honor of the Feast of the Resurrection Pascua meaning Easter, and Florida in tribute to the colorful vegetation around him.
Fra Angelico’s painting, The Conversion of St. Augustine, offers a great insight into the spirituality of the Doctor of Grace. At the forefront of the painting, commanding the immediate attention of the viewer, is the figure of St. Augustine sitting and weeping. The painting portrays the moment of St. Augustine’s conversion as it is described in his Confessions (Book VIII, chapter 12).
In the garden of his friend’s house in Milan, after long struggles with “old attachments” that kept him from embracing the life of continence, Augustine gave way to the “storm” of tears that had been welling up inside of him, expressing his great remorse for his sinfulness, which proved to be invincible to his own strength. He wept because he felt he was the “captive” of his “sins,” and while crying, he kept repeating, “How long shall I go on saying ‘tomorrow, tomorrow’? Why not now? Why not make an end of my ugly sins at this moment?” www.wordonfire.org/articles/the-son-of-tears/
The plaque at the base of the cross, which is 208 feet high, says that it "marks the approximate site where in 1565 the cross of Christianity was first permanently planted in what is now the United States." That's right -- Jesus arrived in America here first, over a half-century before the Pilgrims even touched their toes to Plymouth Rock.
"The Great Cross" (as it's known) was erected in 1966 to mark the 400th anniversary of that momentous day. It's built of 70 tons of stainless steel plates, packed with concrete in its lower third to prevent toppling by hurricanes. It's part of the Shrine of Our Lady of La Leche, and its height was designed so that everyone near St. Augustine could see it, and be reminded "of the religious beginning of our nation," according to the plaque. At the time it was also the World's Tallest Cross -- as noted on old postcards -- but its heaven-scraping record has since been surpassed. One problem with The Great Cross is that it's built on a point of land jutting into Matanzas Bay. This makes its greatness difficult to appreciate from the parking lot, where it looks like just another steeple topper in the distance. It was the first of America's giant crosses, but it's spindly thin, while more recent crosses have been built beefy, and right next to freeways so that passers-by can easily be awed.
The Great Cross is illuminated by powerful spotlights at night, eliminating the need for a blinking red light on top, a secular law that has reportedly kept all subsequent American crosses, mindful of their dignity, under 200 feet.
Spanish explorers, under the command of Pedro Menéndez de Avilés and the spiritual chaplaincy of Fr Francisco López de Mendoza Grajales, OFM, arrived in northern Florida in 1565. Grajalez celebrated there the first Mass in what would become the United States. The mission established there, Nombre de Dios, was also the first in that regard.[3]
The settlers brought with them the Spanish devotion to Nuestra Señora de La Leche y Buen Parto ("Our Lady of the Milk and Good Delivery"). The name comes from the image of the Blessed Virgin Mary nursing the infant Jesus, hence the reference to "la leche"—i.e., (breast) milk. (Growth) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Shrine_of_Our_Lady_of_La_Leche
Augustine’s own pilgrimage toward Easter is blissfully free of technology. Yet his road was also strewn with obstacles blocking the way to the sanctuary. As readers of his Confessions will know, the obstacles in his way were interior ones rooted in ignorance and will. He struggled to free himself from Manichaean errors. He also struggled, as a Platonist, to ascend to the source and summit of reality itself. He confesses that in every attempt to transcend his own mind through Platonic contemplation of the One, he found himself tumbling down like Icarus into this vale of tears. Augustine is anguished that however much he wills it, he cannot simply attach himself to God.
He takes us far away from the smells and bells of Ambrosian liturgy to “Ostia on the Tiber.” It’s just him and his mother: “we were alone, conferring very intimately.” In paintings of the scene, Augustine and Monica are often shown looking out to sea. They confer intimately about what “the eternal life of the saints would be like” (9.24). Augustine draws the reader into their vision. Unlike the Platonic ascents of his pagan past, it is communal rather than solitary, and it is not followed by disappointment. Augustine and Monica make a mystical ascent—he tells us they touch the “eternal Wisdom who abides above all things”—and they ache for more, they ache to enter He Who Is (9.25). www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/04/st-augustines-journey-to-easter
I recently posted my theory on Charleston. I used a similar method on St. Augustine Verse 9/6 to find a general area. I do better with words than I do pictures, and it did not spend a lot of time on the St Augustine painting. Perhaps someone can combine their efforts with mine to find the sweet spot. I would like to share the story I found, before I break down line for line my thoughts. At the end is the research I used to make sense (to me) of the verse. I found it interesting because it seems to me that both Charleston and St. Augustine have similar theme's of Civil Rights and Christianity, along with various other historical references. Would love to hear thoughts. Happy hunting!
Litany of jewels
Litany = a set
Jewels = a hard precious stone used as a bearing in a watch, compass, or other device.
St Augustine Verse 9/6
The Hadas of Iberia: Spanish
Sapphire, shy as a wild field flower. Bluebell
Hyacinthoides hispanica is native to the western part of the Iberian Peninsula
The bell acts as our compass, our starting point.
The Cathedral Basilica of St. Augustine (Spanish: Catedral basílica de San Agustín) is a historic cathedral in St. Augustine, Florida, and the seat of the Catholic Bishop of St. Augustine. It is located at 38 Cathedral Place between Charlotte and St. George Streets. The Cathedral has four bells, one salvaged from a previous church and thought to be the oldest bell in the United States. Another bell came from a British cathedral, a history with some irony due to that empire's repeated destruction of the St. Augustine church. On St. George St.
The story of the verse:
First period reflected Near men Navigating Birmingham (and) Greenwood (of) Root of operations of a specific measure to put into position of extreme disadvantage. You can still hear the angry mob.
(Land)mark cross Parallax. Move confidently in a specific direction through the period of darkness, equal value in absence of light- same characteristics moonlight in teardrops. Extending up from the stature (of) St. Augustine- Growth.
The Andrew Young Crossing. Footsteps on the sidewalk commemorate the events of June 9, 1964, when Andrew Young (later U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations) and other civil rights marchers were beaten by a large mob of whites.
The Landmark cross at the Fountain of Youth Garden is flat to the earth. A cross seen from another “parallax” would be one that is vertical, representing growth.
The first chapter: first period
Written in water: reflected
Near men
With wind rose: navigating
Behind bending branches: Birmingham (sycamore tree) Civil Rights
And a green picket fence: Greenwood Civil Rights
At the base of a tall tree: root of operations of a specific measure to put into position of extreme disadvantage (George Washington Oak NJ or Redwood CA) Puts us on St. George St.
You can still hear the honking: angry mob (According to legend, Gallic troops tried to sneak up the hill during the night, but disturbed a sacred flock of geese that lived in the temple of Juno. Their honking was loud enough to alert the Roman guards, who threw the invaders off the holy hill). Angry mob who attacked Andrew Young peacefully protesting on St. George St.
Shell, limestone, silver, salt: Landmark cross (flat to the ground) The Landmark Cross was a gift from Ponce de Leon left at the site where he landed. Landmark Cross is made of coquina rock and was found near a site where a salt cellar would later be found. The salt cellar was found in 1904 at the Fountain of Youth Park.
A “landmark” crossing of Andrew Young, a civil rights advocate who was beaten while marching in peaceful protest before being knocked unconscious on St. George St.
Stars move by day: Parralax effect whereby the position or direction of an object appears to differ when viewed from different positions, the lens of a camera. Need to see a cross differently.
Sails pass by night: move confidently in a specific direction through period of darkness
Even in darkness: equal value in absence of light (The Landmark Cross is not lit up- it is in darkness)
Like moonlight in teardrops: same characteristics moonlight in teardrops (this I think is important, I wasn't able to break it down to make sense, maybe a marker or something that looks like a crescent in a tear drop?)
Over the tall grass: Extending up from the stature St. Augustine
Years pass, rain falls: Growth; water falls
EDIT*****It was brought to my attention that The Great Cross is a national historic site. I revised the last line answer. There is a location here with a waterfall, although I do not know if it is pre-1982. Perhaps someone local to the area can understand and utilize it better. 29°55'19.8"N 81°19'29.0"W
Painting 6: “King of the Mountain”
Sapphire: below the knight/night (as homophone), has an * asterisk on it. “Footnote” (Foot Soldiers civil rights)
To the left: (East) Mother holding a child (Shrine The Shrine of Our Lady of La Leche at Mission Nombre de Dios is located at the Great Cross. The settlers brought with them the Spanish devotion to Nuestra Señora de La Leche y Buen Parto ("Our Lady of the Milk and Good Delivery"). The name comes from the image of the Blessed Virgin Mary nursing the infant Jesus, hence the reference to "la leche"—i.e., (breast) milk. (Growth)
Rock Side Profile: St. Augustine Mother
Father Francisco López de Mendoza Grajales
Following Menéndez’ veneration of the cross, thus proclaiming this land in the name of God (Nombre de Dios), and raising of the King’s flag, thus proclaiming this land also in the name of King Phillip II of Spain, Father López celebrated Mass at a rustic altar made of wood, a depiction of which is found on the Mission grounds. The sky served as the roof for what was the first parish Mass in what is now the United States. The feast for that day was the Nativity or birth of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Catholic Church continues to mark this feast on September 8 every year. 9th month 9:00
Juan Ponce de Leon landed in Florida on Easter Sunday in 1513, he named it Pasca de Flores, or theIsle of Flowers. The word pasca means neither isle nor any other Spanish word. Ponce de Leon named the land Pascua Florida, or Flowery Easter in honor of the Feast of the Resurrection Pascua meaning Easter, and Florida in tribute to the colorful vegetation around him.
Fra Angelico’s painting, The Conversion of St. Augustine, offers a great insight into the spirituality of the Doctor of Grace. At the forefront of the painting, commanding the immediate attention of the viewer, is the figure of St. Augustine sitting and weeping. The painting portrays the moment of St. Augustine’s conversion as it is described in his Confessions (Book VIII, chapter 12).
In the garden of his friend’s house in Milan, after long struggles with “old attachments” that kept him from embracing the life of continence, Augustine gave way to the “storm” of tears that had been welling up inside of him, expressing his great remorse for his sinfulness, which proved to be invincible to his own strength. He wept because he felt he was the “captive” of his “sins,” and while crying, he kept repeating, “How long shall I go on saying ‘tomorrow, tomorrow’? Why not now? Why not make an end of my ugly sins at this moment?” www.wordonfire.org/articles/the-son-of-tears/
The plaque at the base of the cross, which is 208 feet high, says that it "marks the approximate site where in 1565 the cross of Christianity was first permanently planted in what is now the United States." That's right -- Jesus arrived in America here first, over a half-century before the Pilgrims even touched their toes to Plymouth Rock.
"The Great Cross" (as it's known) was erected in 1966 to mark the 400th anniversary of that momentous day. It's built of 70 tons of stainless steel plates, packed with concrete in its lower third to prevent toppling by hurricanes. It's part of the Shrine of Our Lady of La Leche, and its height was designed so that everyone near St. Augustine could see it, and be reminded "of the religious beginning of our nation," according to the plaque. At the time it was also the World's Tallest Cross -- as noted on old postcards -- but its heaven-scraping record has since been surpassed. One problem with The Great Cross is that it's built on a point of land jutting into Matanzas Bay. This makes its greatness difficult to appreciate from the parking lot, where it looks like just another steeple topper in the distance. It was the first of America's giant crosses, but it's spindly thin, while more recent crosses have been built beefy, and right next to freeways so that passers-by can easily be awed.
The Great Cross is illuminated by powerful spotlights at night, eliminating the need for a blinking red light on top, a secular law that has reportedly kept all subsequent American crosses, mindful of their dignity, under 200 feet.
Spanish explorers, under the command of Pedro Menéndez de Avilés and the spiritual chaplaincy of Fr Francisco López de Mendoza Grajales, OFM, arrived in northern Florida in 1565. Grajalez celebrated there the first Mass in what would become the United States. The mission established there, Nombre de Dios, was also the first in that regard.[3]
The settlers brought with them the Spanish devotion to Nuestra Señora de La Leche y Buen Parto ("Our Lady of the Milk and Good Delivery"). The name comes from the image of the Blessed Virgin Mary nursing the infant Jesus, hence the reference to "la leche"—i.e., (breast) milk. (Growth) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Shrine_of_Our_Lady_of_La_Leche
Augustine’s own pilgrimage toward Easter is blissfully free of technology. Yet his road was also strewn with obstacles blocking the way to the sanctuary. As readers of his Confessions will know, the obstacles in his way were interior ones rooted in ignorance and will. He struggled to free himself from Manichaean errors. He also struggled, as a Platonist, to ascend to the source and summit of reality itself. He confesses that in every attempt to transcend his own mind through Platonic contemplation of the One, he found himself tumbling down like Icarus into this vale of tears. Augustine is anguished that however much he wills it, he cannot simply attach himself to God.
He takes us far away from the smells and bells of Ambrosian liturgy to “Ostia on the Tiber.” It’s just him and his mother: “we were alone, conferring very intimately.” In paintings of the scene, Augustine and Monica are often shown looking out to sea. They confer intimately about what “the eternal life of the saints would be like” (9.24). Augustine draws the reader into their vision. Unlike the Platonic ascents of his pagan past, it is communal rather than solitary, and it is not followed by disappointment. Augustine and Monica make a mystical ascent—he tells us they touch the “eternal Wisdom who abides above all things”—and they ache for more, they ache to enter He Who Is (9.25). www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/04/st-augustines-journey-to-easter
