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Post by xmarksdspot on Jan 26, 2020 17:35:43 GMT -5
Hi Choice, Sorry for the Delay. The Chinese connection is San Francisco. That doesn't mean every part of the puzzle is linked to Chinese Immigration. If I learned anything from other solved puzzles would be a specific connection to the location i.e. Greek Cultural Garden or Boston Northend/Puopolo and Grant Park/U. S. Grant was Scots-Irish on his mother’s side. (Scottish Protestants who emigrated from Scotland to Ireland aka Ulster-Scots). Street right near Grant Park treasure site – East Jackson Blvd – named for Andrew Jackson- also Scots-Irish. Both parents emigrated to US from Northern Ireland two years before he was born. Just using the whole city of SF as Chinese reference is not much of a reduction of search area. The important/Chinese heavy historic locations of SF are Chinatown and Angel Island. Lesser connections are anything with Chinese culture i.e. GGP Pavilion.
Hi choice, It seems to me that Priess was smart enough to make these puzzles simple, but we on the other hand seem to want them to be more than they are. We can not project our own expectations into the puzzles, we can only work with what Priess has given us. In this case, he has given us a key image of a round table on a base with a rose, 4 rose leaves (3 high and green, one low and brown), a spiraled rose stem, and a clock. These are all grouped together not individual items. The dutch windmill has a round platform like the table top, there are elaborate flower gardens next to the windmill (the rose), There are 3 high blades on the wind mill (I believe the blades to be made of wooden posts) like the 3 green leaves, There is one low blade on the windmill like the brown leaf under the table top. There is a yaw motor with a propeller like the rose stem curl, and the clock that could easily represent the circular flower bed near the door of the windmill. There are corresponding real world representations of every component of the key image. I am open minded if you can show me anything else in San Francisco that fills that bill. Then there's the map, which we can talk about later, it's in the lower left corner of the image just like most of the other images.The rest of the image is only to get you to California, Then San Francisco, and lastly to Golden Gate Park. The key image directs you to the site and then the clues begin.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Jan 26, 2020 18:19:48 GMT -5
hey xmark. i know exactly how you feel. i was attacked on facebook, reddit, twitter for not going along with the GGP Empire. so i found this site with my own solve. very collaborative. I abandoned my solve for the one we are working on now. I am satisfied that our Rebel Alliance evidence, as posted on this site, eliminates GGP completely. We are just piling on evidence at this point to convince NPS to let us dig. speaking for myself only, GGP clue interpretations are irrelevant. I invite you to take the time to consider our evidence and challenge anything. For example, CA Thayer, Cathay and high posts are three. perfect match. onward. Thanks Sluggo, Yes, I too have been ridiculed on a couple other sites. I will gladly look at your groups evidence if your willing to key me in, it's hard to follow seeing it bit by bit, but I would also ask that you do the same for mine. Go the the Dutch Windmill Garden on google maps and follow the clues from there. If you need my assistance I'll be glad to help. This particular puzzle is one of the easiest I have worked on so once there, I think you'll see the whole picture. Every clue will be revealed at that site. Let me know. I look forward to hearing your Ideas also, if you wish to share.
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Post by choice on Jan 26, 2020 18:34:17 GMT -5
Hey X,There are many ways of interpreting the clock/rose table. As I mentioned, it would be a great Dutch immigration puzzle if you interpret the rose leaves as blades of windmill and clock could be reference to clockmakers i.e. Dutch. Another popular interpretation of the rose is Angel Island with thorns making a large arrow to south and the spiral + round table + cablecar below it would be cablecar turntable. You could also argue that the spiral by itself could be the cove. This would clearly outline the rout of Chinese immigration from Angel Island to SF emphasizing their struggle and unfairness of the exclusion act. This is not over-complicating the puzzle but making a historically significant connection to Chinese immigration. However any solution is just a hypothesis till it's proven by pulling out the cask. Put your request in for perhaps 2021 while you still can if you haven't already.
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Post by SluggoZim on Jan 26, 2020 18:45:56 GMT -5
xmark, show us 5 solid matches of art, fairy and illustrations to anywhere in GGP. we have posted at least that many for aquatic park, e.g. Mira Chimera. GGP has never made sense to me. I really like my MRB solution, just not enough matches to anything else and too much interpretation. So I let it go, and fully supporting this team.
i really have no interest in any other SF solution. You are certainly entitled to your own opinions and are not subject to mine.
good luck and keep hunting.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Jan 26, 2020 18:55:32 GMT -5
Hey guys, I'm feeling like a pariah on this site. every time I make a comment, it seems to be ignored. Just because my ideas don't follow the standard thinking of the puzzles we are trying to solve, does not mean they are not valid. if I propose an idea, please comment on it or at least contradict it. I'm here to discuss the puzzles. Are you new to The Secret? If so, my advice would be to do some background reading on the book, the author, the puzzles, etc. just to get a sense of how it all works. It’s awfully hard to dispute the general areas of each image for example, due to the latitude/longitude clues in them. What is open for debate is which specific park in those particular cities is the treasure ground, possibly which verse goes with each image, etc. I do like that you don’t “follow the standard thinking of the puzzles” though because that’s what it takes to solve them in my opinion. The sheeple are all running around GGP blindly because they refuse to abandon “standard thinking”. No imagination, no treasure...honestly it looks good on them! The group here have been great, we work together well and challenge each other when needed, all while remaining openminded to possibilities. As Sluggo said though, it comes to a point where the mountain of evidence is overwhelming and I feel we are there with San Francisco. Hello canuck, If I am getting your message clearly, you are saying that if one mechanic rebuilt an engine in one day and a second mechanic rebuilt the same in a month, that the second mechanic knows more about the engine because he spent longer working on it???
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Post by canuck on Jan 26, 2020 19:56:12 GMT -5
Are you new to The Secret? If so, my advice would be to do some background reading on the book, the author, the puzzles, etc. just to get a sense of how it all works. It’s awfully hard to dispute the general areas of each image for example, due to the latitude/longitude clues in them. What is open for debate is which specific park in those particular cities is the treasure ground, possibly which verse goes with each image, etc. I do like that you don’t “follow the standard thinking of the puzzles” though because that’s what it takes to solve them in my opinion. The sheeple are all running around GGP blindly because they refuse to abandon “standard thinking”. No imagination, no treasure...honestly it looks good on them! The group here have been great, we work together well and challenge each other when needed, all while remaining openminded to possibilities. As Sluggo said though, it comes to a point where the mountain of evidence is overwhelming and I feel we are there with San Francisco. Hello canuck, If I am getting your message clearly, you are saying that if one mechanic rebuilt an engine in one day and a second mechanic rebuilt the same in a month, that the second mechanic knows more about the engine because he spent longer working on it??? Not at all... What I am saying is that there is a known knowledge base for The Secret that people should get familiar with and then build their ideas off of that. Unfortunately there are a large number of people who don’t bother to do so and they just spew nonsense and disinformation that helps nobody. Just yesterday some twit was saying how the San Francisco casque was buried in 1981, even though Sandy has said that Byron buried it in 1980. Most of the GGP people think it’s there due to a rectangle shape on the dress and that’s pretty much the depth of their theory. Last time I looked GGP has a panhandle, where is that in the image?
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Post by linda812 on Jan 26, 2020 22:27:56 GMT -5
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Post by linda812 on Jan 26, 2020 22:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by linda812 on Jan 26, 2020 22:35:39 GMT -5
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Post by xmarksdspot on Jan 27, 2020 13:57:50 GMT -5
Hello canuck, If I am getting your message clearly, you are saying that if one mechanic rebuilt an engine in one day and a second mechanic rebuilt the same in a month, that the second mechanic knows more about the engine because he spent longer working on it??? Not at all... What I am saying is that there is a known knowledge base for The Secret that people should get familiar with and then build their ideas off of that. Unfortunately there are a large number of people who don’t bother to do so and they just spew nonsense and disinformation that helps nobody. Just yesterday some twit was saying how the San Francisco casque was buried in 1981, even though Sandy has said that Byron buried it in 1980. Most of the GGP people think it’s there due to a rectangle shape on the dress and that’s pretty much the depth of their theory. Last time I looked GGP has a panhandle, where is that in the image? Man I get what you are saying, and yes I did a certain amount of research initially. Then I worked on one of the images closest to my location. It took about a month to solve it to my liking, not saying that I am right or wrong. I am trying to get permission to dig, toughest part so far. Then I worked on the original New York image. I noticed some common traits from the first puzzle which allowed me to solve that one in only a day. Then I worked on San Francisco and using the same method solved it in 3 hours. I refer to them as key images and micro maps. They are consistent on most of the images so i don't think I am imagining it. I think they may be the very reason they called this "The Secret" but just guessing. If you haven't checked out the New York not Roanoke post, I urge you to do so. It may help to expand on the existing knowledge base. I will go ahead and do a walk through of my San Francisco solve on a new thread. Follow along if your interested.
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Post by TxTH on Jan 27, 2020 15:32:56 GMT -5
I am a bit confused about some of the images some of you are using to find matches in the real world. Some of these images seem to be coming from the "A Field Guide to the Fair People" that starts on page 55 and goes to page 215. I had to go back and check but I came across this a few years back. This was a post from Brian Zinn (Egbert) who, along with Andy Abram, discovered the Cleveland casque. I don't remember exactly which forum it was from but it reveals some things that they discussed with Byron Preiss when they met with him to turn in the key. -
"Egbert wrote:
Andy and I absorbed a lot of information that B.Preiss had told us about The Secret. I hope I can recall all of it for you here:
1. The Chicago casque was found by 2 young stockbrokers, who lived in Chicago, and had recognized some of the sites and verse references right away. However, at the time, there was some type of renovation occurring, in which a large marble or concrete object had been placed over the burial site. So, they took a picture of it, and sent it to B.Preiss, who acknowledged that as soon as the renovation was finished, the treasure was theirs. He doesn't recall meeting them, doesn't have a copy of any newspaper article, but does recall that an article was run in one of the major Chicago newspapers at the time. Flipping through the book, B.Preiss told us that "M and B" stand for Mozart and Beethoven. "Ten by thirteen" refers to feet. "Brush" refers to the Art Museum.
2. I thought that most of the colors on my casque had been washed away, except for 1 creature that I thought looked like an imp. However, none of the 12 casques were fully painted. They were left unpainted, except each one had a different figure painted (there are 12 figures on the casque). My figure is actually the front of a centaur, which is of course contained in the Cleveland pic. B.Preiss did not recall what had been painted underneath the cover (which is in many pieces), but he believes that it may have said "The Secret." Each key looks the same, but they are different colors (mine is orange).
3. B.Preiss had buried all of the casques over the course of only several days --- carrying all of them in a large duffle bag, and armed with a shovel. He researched the sites generally from New York, but then researched each site locally once he got there. He took pics of all of the sites. After they were all buried, he created the puzzles and had John Palencar paint the pics (B.Preiss worked with him to guide J.Palencar as to what to put into the pics). After that, he purchased the jewels, all from 1 jeweler.
4. From the Cleveland pic, he said that we got all of the clues. "Birch" referred to a birch tree that had been there. "Couplet" had referred to a nearby poem (although Andy and I do not recall any nearby). "Free speech" refers to Socrates.
5. B.Preiss was a very good poker player, and was not giving out any hints about any of the other locations. However, he did confirm my theory that the countries of origin of the faeries do connect with the sites. He also said that the pages following the verses (which make up the bulk of the book) have NO connection with the puzzles, and contain no additional clues.
6. This last part will sadden quite a few of you. Mr. Preiss would like it to be known that he will no longer respond to emails regarding proposed solutions (or asking for hints) --- and that he will only respond to actual pictures of casques. I am sad to report that he is a busy businessman, and this is not very important to him any more. I would like to point out, however, that although getting the jewel and meeting B.Preiss was nice, the best part of my adventure was solving the puzzle, traveling to Cleveland, and finding the treasure. You should keep in mind that you are doing this to achieve a personal satisfaction --- solving a 22-year-old conundrum --- and not just to get a jewel. The journey is more fun than the destination.
I hope I remembered everything --- if I think of anything else, I'll let you know. Good luck in your quests."
As you can see from #5 Byron very specifically stated there are NO clues in the book after page 54, the last verses. I just wanted to pass this along in case you had missed it.
It should also be noted tha J. J. Palencar destroyed all the photographs and notes that Byron had given him out of respect for his friend after his death.
I just wanted to pass this along in case you had missed it. I hope the search is going well with everyone.
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Post by canuck on Jan 27, 2020 21:43:21 GMT -5
I can honestly say that embracing the Fair Folk as a 3rd element to the puzzle has really been beneficial in finding clues to help narrow down the search areas for these puzzles. There is just too much there to believe that part of the book is NOTHING. Honestly who writes a treasure hunt book where half the book means nothing? I think most of the writing in that part of the book is nonsensical, but the images not so much...they are loaded with valuable hints, you just need to know what to look for. As you said, Byron was a good poker player...don't think he'd give away too much, really wanted those deserving to find the treasure, not just hand it to someone on a silver platter.
I think a few people rubbed Byron the wrong way by pestering him for too much information. I feel he gave them one hint and then if they got greedy and asked for more he fed them disinformation or told them what they wanted to hear. What happened with the Houston casque is a good example of this IMHO.
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Post by SluggoZim on Jan 27, 2020 23:50:27 GMT -5
i agree canuck. way too much deliberate stuff in the illustrations and fair people to ignore. Mira Chimera is perfect example.
onward.
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Post by choice on Jan 28, 2020 0:49:00 GMT -5
For sure. For example check out this image. It's of a border town with a couple of guys sneaking in! Check out the shape of the creature's head. Looks like map of Hermann park upside down.
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Post by squirrell (linda s) on Jan 28, 2020 16:02:44 GMT -5
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