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Post by susb8383 on Jan 19, 2021 20:46:31 GMT -5
It seems to me that one thing he’s hinting at is to focus in on the Star Wars rant, the same way the chapter 4 hint honed in on the one hit wonders discussion. I wonder if all the chapter solutions are contained in the car discussions.
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Post by davem on Jan 19, 2021 20:56:22 GMT -5
It seems to me that one thing he’s hinting at is to focus in on the Star Wars rant, the same way the chapter 4 hint honed in on the one hit wonders discussion. I wonder if all the chapter solutions are contained in the car discussions. Oh yes, I would have thought so. Here's that assertion from another thread back in Nov: Chapter 1: codes and ciphers Chapter 2: Star Wars Chapter 3: Phenwick Phutz Chapter 4: One Hit Wonders Only change I would make there is Chapter one is the conversation about maps/directions to go along with codes and ciphers. The car ride discussions are easily the longest parts. I thought there was a possibility that this one, Chapter Two would be only about the stop off at the Hoover Dam (to throw you off) but now the theory is pretty set in stone, I think.
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Post by brucewayne on Jan 20, 2021 13:46:36 GMT -5
"One Hit Wonders" was a relevant clue on its own, because it at least let you know you were building a list of the correct terms... Which was "One Hit Wonders" songs and artists. The solve method from there was another story.
I'm failing to see what the relevant data set is in this chapter or any other. Yes, it seems we can narrow it to the specific and targeted car conversations. Yes, those topics are explicitly given in a post (see above comment). But only the Chapter 4 heading gives you direction for a specific list within the conversation.
There are many different topics of Kayla's rants / opinions in Chapter 2. Some focus on the movies, some focus on the characters, some side track into other movies, and of course she rewrites the prequels.
But it's a little subjective which part of her ramblings are direct opinions, and which ones are just rambling explanations. (and a subjective metric does not seem something they would build the solve off of). Also, some characters and movies are referenced by name, and some by number or actor instead of character name.
Assuming all the info is contained in the book, you wouldn't need to have seen the films or need to look up character or actor names. So where the hell in all this can we narrow down a patterned subset of information?
Or am I way off base?
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Post by brucewayne on Jan 20, 2021 13:50:57 GMT -5
It seems impossible to try and draw a "solve solution or method" out of an unknown set of data. Narrowing down the rambling opinions into a usable list of some kind seems the first step.
But I could be narrowing my methods too much already. Thoughts?
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Post by davem on Jan 20, 2021 16:26:15 GMT -5
Well, if nobody gets this in the next couple of days, there will probably be another hint. I, for one, don't think it has anything to do with building a list of her opinions or rants and trying to get a code from that. I can't say what I think it is because it's the last step and will give it away. Probably wrong anyway because I sure haven't come to a solve point yet. But, I feel like I'm right on the verge (I know, I know they all do ... lol.)
But I can say this ..... read the clue very, very closely.
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Post by knock on Jan 20, 2021 17:32:54 GMT -5
Well, if nobody gets this in the next couple of days, there will probably be another hint. I, for one, don't think it has anything to do with building a list of her opinions or rants and trying to get a code from that. I can't say what I think it is because it's the last step and will give it away. Probably wrong anyway because I sure haven't come to a solve point yet. But, I feel like I'm right on the verge (I know, I know they all do ... lol.) But I can say this ..... read the clue very, very closely. Interesting that you seem to have found some meaning in the clue. I am only taking it at face value. The way he wrote the clue was very poor in terms of grammar/vocabulary. Did he just write it poorly, or did he write it in such a way for a reason? brucewayne, your post is interesting as well. I agree that the clue from the previous chapter clearly drew you to the one hit wonders. In this instance, it does not seem to narrow anything down. I believe more clues will be dispersed and the treasure will be found soon. With the current information, I am totally stumped.
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Post by brucewayne on Jan 20, 2021 18:27:37 GMT -5
I feel like davem might be on to something with meaning in the clue. Basically the thought you had, knock, about something in the poor grammar/vocab. But I can't put a finger on it.
I will also be waiting for another clue I think lol
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Post by davem on Jan 20, 2021 22:02:43 GMT -5
I feel like davem might be on to something with meaning in the clue. Basically the thought you had, knock, about something in the poor grammar/vocab. But I can't put a finger on it. I will also be waiting for another clue I think lol Unfortunately, I was trying to piece together the "more logical cousin" of the solution to Chapter Two: I was looking at letters that came right after the words "two", "second", "twice" and the number 2. At least it's related to the Chapter... um..."TWO". And the use of WINNER WINNER (two of them) and "opinions" (two of them in the clue) and "ever" (two of them in the clue). Oh and the "second" Star Wars movie being about "Clones"....So the use of the terrible grammar meant absolutely nothing, then. Sorry, I like my solve method better even though a WINNER WINNER I am not.
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Post by knock on Jan 20, 2021 23:05:29 GMT -5
I feel like davem might be on to something with meaning in the clue. Basically the thought you had, knock, about something in the poor grammar/vocab. But I can't put a finger on it. I will also be waiting for another clue I think lol Unfortunately, I was trying to piece together the "more logical cousin" of the solution to Chapter Two: I was looking at letters that came right after the words "two", "second", "twice" and the number 2. At least it's related to the Chapter... um..."TWO". And the use of WINNER WINNER (two of them) and "opinions" (two of them in the clue) and "ever" (two of them in the clue). Oh and the "second" Star Wars movie being about "Clones"....So the use of the terrible grammar meant absolutely nothing, then. Sorry, I like my solve method better even though a WINNER WINNER I am not. A fine theory. I was not close to solving the hint. I imagine If I had solved it I wouldve found the answer very quickly, as it did reveal the exact methodology needed!
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Post by daniels on Jan 21, 2021 8:49:28 GMT -5
I was convinced this one was hidden at the Fort Mac transit stop in Atlanta! So weird how I can feel so close and be sooooooo wrong!!! Haha. On to Chapter three....
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Post by davem on Jan 21, 2021 13:53:09 GMT -5
The more I think about how all this went down, the more I'm getting ...um... "concerned" I'll say. And I'm usually the person saying "hey get over it!'" Examples -- I remember Dave saying "no red herrings" as well but there are tons of them in this chapter. The wording on the first clue about which chapter would get a clue was devised that way in order tell us which Chapter number would be clued. Not to show commas which they have put up on Twitter as if it's so obvious. Expecting commas to be picked up when a completely "different" hint was the goal isn't witty or cool. It's a Red Herring. Then, the actual Clue came and it was all about Kayla's opinions and terribly structured (grammar) sentences using obvious duplicated wording just like in the Chapter Title WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER. (which now has commas in it on Twitter). Chapter TWO turned out to be nothing about those "duplicated" words (two of each), or that bad grammar. Not even Star Wars - which is what the Clue hinted towards. These are all Red Herrings! I guess I'll just wait for a month to try to be the first one to see the next Clue because studying the Chapters isn't going to help and is a waste of time. Ok "bitter" speech over. Sorry. Onto the next one.
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Post by susb8383 on Jan 21, 2021 14:01:09 GMT -5
Well...he said there are no red herrings in the chapters. He didn't say there wouldn't be any in the hints. If the hint was too obvious everyone would have gotten it at once. But in this case, two very clever people did figure out the hint so I think it served its purpose.
Actually if you think about it, the first hint was the opposite of a red herring. A red herring is something which seems relevant but points you in the wrong direction. Hint 1 contained something that seemed irrelevant (the commas) but was really an unexpected hint.
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Post by davem on Jan 21, 2021 14:52:47 GMT -5
Actually if you think about it, the first hint was the opposite of a red herring. A red herring is something which seems relevant but points you in the wrong direction. Hint 1 contained something that seemed irrelevant (the commas) but was really an unexpected hint. I don't know how you get that it's the "opposite". The Clue pointed to the Star Wars opinions, duplicate wording surrounded by bad grammar. That's misdirection. I didn't think that it was anything to do with the Star Wars opinions themselves either -- except that the solve would be found within " that" text. Turns out, the solve text started at the beginning of the chapter nowhere near the Star Wars opinions. Misdirection. But, my main grievance is that nobody would have gotten it without the clue. Arguably "both" clues. You even had to skip a section! Here's a comparison ...... I'll write a chapter where the solve is spelled out using every 4th capital D, then after 3 of them, it switches to every 7th lower case "r". Then you skip a random section that's in italics and continue on using the next 10 "s's" that come after commas. Round it off using vowels in order of the alphabet backwards. To top it off, I'll throw you a hint that is all about the dogs that I write about in the chapter but the dog names have capital D's, lower case r's, and s's in the right order. Ok, so that is more complicated but is still equal in that NOBODY would ever get that without a clue pointing out exactly what the methodology was. Which is what "Letters. After. Commas." is.
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Post by brucewayne on Jan 21, 2021 15:04:01 GMT -5
The more I think about how all this went down, the more I'm getting ...um... "concerned" I'll say. And I'm usually the person saying "hey get over it!'" Examples -- I remember Dave saying "no red herrings" as well but there are tons of them in this chapter. The wording on the first clue about which chapter would get a clue was devised that way in order tell us which Chapter number would be clued. Not to show commas which they have put up on Twitter as if it's so obvious. Expecting commas to be picked up when a completely "different" hint was the goal isn't witty or cool. It's a Red Herring. Then, the actual Clue came and it was all about Kayla's opinions and terribly structured (grammar) sentences using obvious duplicated wording just like in the Chapter Title WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER. (which now has commas in it on Twitter). Chapter TWO turned out to be nothing about those "duplicated" words (two of each), or that bad grammar. Not even Star Wars - which is what the Clue hinted towards. These are all Red Herrings! I guess I'll just wait for a month to try to be the first one to see the next Clue because studying the Chapters isn't going to help and is a waste of time. Ok "bitter" speech over. Sorry. Onto the next one. I'm going to paraphrase all my quotes here since I don't have the interview in front of me. He actually never said "no red herrings (being ambitious misdirection about solve methods)". In the interview where he talked about them, he IMMEDIATELY clarified himself and said "no intentional red herrings meaning there won't be any coherent solves that lead to wrong locations". What this means: It would not be possible to decode, with the same or different method, a coherent (and intentionally hidden) answer that would lead you to say North Carolina for Chapter 2. There might be MISLEADING information. But there are no decodable red herring locations or items. Nobody found a solution that sent them to the wrong place looking for the wrong item. That being said, f this method. Without any clues, impossible to decode.
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