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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 23, 2024 10:34:59 GMT -5
Your method is obvious. You are a contrarian. A painting by Daniel Seghers? No, it is a painting by Nicolas Poussin! A painting by Mathieu Fredeau? No, it is a painting by David Teniers! A painting that does not depict a temptation? No, it is a painting that does depict a temptation! A Geometric Key? No, there is no geometry! A is Zed! Gold is Lead! I wait now to read of how you will tumble dumplings to turn three shepherds into a garland of flowers.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 24, 2024 5:23:15 GMT -5
m.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Sen1HTu5oI like life to be magical! A world where white is white, and black is black, and never the twain shall meet, is not magical to me. What can I tell you I am a painter!- and rationality is not my strong suit! There is is a lot more to my method than ‘being a contrarian’. My method is to work backwards from the answer to the clues. In that sense I may be a contrarian. The conclusions I am led to, about the meaning of the clues are derived solely by adopting this mode of working.The fact that the clues fit the answer is proof enough for me that the answer is correct( at least the location). www.rennes-le-chateau-archive.com/ndm_saint_antoine_suite2.phpwww.rennes-le-chateau-archive.com/ndm_saint_antoine_suite.phpThe extra layer of varnish over the rock with the signature of Mathieu Fredau( see photos 5 & 6 in first link) on it is a strange anomaly as is the ‘jn’ for ‘ juvenis’ in his signature, considering he was the eldest brother!! If nothing else, it certainly raises suspicion that the rock and signature are a later overpaint that was subsequently revarnished.
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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 24, 2024 7:58:15 GMT -5
QUOTE BOWNARROW Who the original artist was of the painting, is not clear. To my eye it does look like it is by Teniers, or by a follower of Teniers. It is clearly in his style. It is therefore allowable to call it a Teniers until a firm identification of it’s creator is made. As far as I am aware that is still to be established. If if you know otherwise Ruby please let me know. END QUOTE
To my eye it looks like a Fredeau, and you should not expect me to provide any other evidence, other than my eye, as you think that you do not need to provide any other evidence other than your eye.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 24, 2024 8:35:24 GMT -5
QUOTE BOWNARROW Who the original artist was of the painting, is not clear. To my eye it does look like it is by Teniers, or by a follower of Teniers. It is clearly in his style. It is therefore allowable to call it a Teniers until a firm identification of it’s creator is made. As far as I am aware that is still to be established. If if you know otherwise Ruby please let me know. END QUOTE To my eye it looks like a Fredeau, and you should not expect me to provide any other evidence, other than my eye, as you think that you do not need to provide any other evidence other than your eye. Everyone is entitled to their opinion Ruby. I am however curious as to where you have found images of Mathieu Fredau paintings to compare the Saint Antoine to.I have only been able to find 1 on the web, and that is painted in a style nothing like that of the Saint Antoine at Notre Dame de Marceille. Could you share your source please, I would love to see other examples of his work. www.mutualart.com/Artist/Mathieu-Fredeau/A89D47B7160EDDBB
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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 24, 2024 10:10:47 GMT -5
QUOTE BOWNARROW I have only been able to find 1 on the web END QUOTE Whoa! Whoa! Your rejection of the attribution of the artist is based on ONE painting? Haaaa-Ha-Ha-Ha!
QUOTE BOWNARROW and that is painted in a style nothing like that of the Saint Antoine at Notre Dame de Marceille. END QUOTE
Does that painting come from the beginning of Mathieu Fredeau's career, or the end of his career? From inspecting more than one painting, Fredeau appears to me to be an artist who is commissioned to do a painting in another artists style.
QUOTE BOWNARROW Could you share your source please END QUOTE
I think that your Google might be broken.
QUOTE BOWNARROW I would love to see other examples of his work. END QUOTE
Then it looks like your eye has some work to do. EYE haaaa think that perhaps other examples of Fredeau's art-work may not be required. You can compare the painting at Limoux against other paintings of the same theme that were done by Teniers. How much like a Teniers is it, really?
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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 24, 2024 23:18:42 GMT -5
The author of the website that you link to rennesdashledashchateaudasharchivedotcom makes the claim that a painting of a Saint Antoine was re-painted to look like a different saint, the saint Augustin. The author of the website states that this claim comes from the book titled 'Le Secret Derobe', written by Franck Daffos, with a preface by Michel Vallet, that was published in 2005. It is not stated on the website what evidence is presented by Daffos in his book to support his claim. To support the claim, the author of the website provides two extracts from the Opuscule of Henri Gasc. I am not certain how these two extracts support the claim on the website, as each extract is clearly referring to a different painting, and not to the same painting. One extract refers to a painting of Saint Antoine, and the other extract refers to a painting of a monk of the Order of Saint Antoine de Viennois. Neither extract refers to a painting of Saint Augustin. Strangely, the book 'Le Secret Derobe' by Franck Daffos was published in 2005, 5 months before the release of the MARANATHA puzzle book, and then, in 2011, 5 months after the MARANATHA treasure-hunt had ended, Franck Daffos published a third book, titled '"L'OR de RENNES"'! Was the decision to end the MARANATHA treasure-hunt made because the Research Group had been told that Daffos was going to publish his book? www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8671426/Indiana-Jones-meets-The-Da-Vinci-Code-in-tiny-French-village.html TINY FRENCH VILLAGE BIG ENOUGH FOR INDIANA JONES ADVENTURE By Henry Samuel 29 July 2011 QUOTE [...] But the three researchers, Michel Vallet, Didier Héricart de Thury and Franck Daffos, believe hunters were looking in the wrong place all that time, and that the treasure lies in a cave on a tiny hill called Pech d'En-Couty. They kept their excavations, using hi-tech equipment from the US, secret for the past three years. However, their search was suddenly brought to public attention following the publication of a book on July 12 by two of the trio, called "The Gold of Rennes", which offers clues. Furious that he had not been party to their oeuvre, Michel Vallet took revenge by posting a photo on the internet last Sunday of the cave entrance where the three believe the treasure lies. Horrified, Franck Daffos, who has spent 40 years hunting for the elusive gold, contacted local gendarmes. "A terrible waste must be avoided at all costs," he told Midi-Libre, the regional newspaper. "Michel Vallet has ruined our work. The area must be secured to stop pillagers from seizing (the treasure)," he said. END QUOTE It appears that caves are all the rage again in the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau.
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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 25, 2024 0:29:57 GMT -5
Following in the storied tradition of the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, Franck Daffos chooses a completely different painting of a temptation done by Teniers, to that chosen by Henry Lincoln and Drunken Birding, and to that chosen by BOWNARROW. I am not certain why authors who write about the mystery feel that they have to trick out their theory with the custom rims of an unrelated Teniers painting. BOWNARROW, you like caves with dead girls in them. Why are you not seduced by a big or a small temptation in The Louvre?
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 25, 2024 7:05:12 GMT -5
QUOTE BOWNARROW I have only been able to find 1 on the web END QUOTE Whoa! Whoa! Your rejection of the attribution of the artist is based on ONE painting? Haaaa-Ha-Ha-Ha! QUOTE BOWNARROW and that is painted in a style nothing like that of the Saint Antoine at Notre Dame de Marceille. END QUOTE Does that painting come from the beginning of Mathieu Fredeau's career, or the end of his career? From inspecting more than one painting, Fredeau appears to me to be an artist who is commissioned to do a painting in another artists style. QUOTE BOWNARROW Could you share your source please END QUOTE I think that your Google might be broken. QUOTE BOWNARROW I would love to see other examples of his work. END QUOTE Then it looks like your eye has some work to do. EYE haaaa think that perhaps other examples of Fredeau's art-work may not be required. You can compare the painting at Limoux against other paintings of the same theme that were done by Teniers. How much like a Teniers is it, really? Ruby, If you want to believe that it does not look like a Teniers,or by a follower of him, that is your perogative. Having painted high quality copies of old master paintings professionally at various times during my career as an artist,I am confident in my own ability to discern similarities in different paintings. Moreover the opinion of a world renowned art expert, LS, through the - 'tempted view of the shepherds' clue - also supports the conclusion. What is your interpretation of this clue if it does not refer to the priests of the church looking upon the painting of The Temptation of St.Antoine with the ' daughter of Eve' tempting him?
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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 25, 2024 9:15:24 GMT -5
QUOTE BOWNARROW
What is your interpretation of this clue if it does not refer to the priests of the church [...]?
END QUOTE
The CLUE is September 3rd 2010 Four scenes hold the tempted view of the shepherds You have interpreted this Clue to mean uhhhh The four scenes when combined are a reference to the painting The Temptation of Saint Anthony that is seen by the pastors from the pulpit in the church in Limoux.
You think that the Clues were created by L. Schidlof, but you have previously interpreted a Clue as being a direct reference to the name of the Spokes-man, so you must think that one or two of the Clues were not written by L. Schidlof, but were written by the Research Group, or the Spokes-man himself. So who wrote this Clue? Your position is that LEO wrote this Clue.
My position is that this Clue was written by the Research Group and refers to something found in the first four Scenes in the book that the Research Group had published.
A weird third option exists, based on your claim of who authored the book, and who wrote what Clue. That the Research Group tried to solve the mystery through their own interpretation of the meaning of LEO'S Clues.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 25, 2024 10:17:21 GMT -5
QUOTE BOWNARROW
What is your interpretation of this clue if it does not refer to the priests of the church [...]?
END QUOTE
The CLUE is September 3rd 2010 Four scenes hold the tempted view of the shepherds You have interpreted this Clue to mean uhhhh The four scenes when combined are a reference to the painting The Temptation of Saint Anthony that is seen by the pastors from the pulpit in the church in Limoux.
You think that the Clues were created by L. Schidlof, but you have previously interpreted a Clue as being a direct reference to the name of the Spokes-man, so you must think that one or two of the Clues were not written by L. Schidlof, but were written by the Research Group, or the Spokes-man himself. So who wrote this Clue? Your position is that LEO wrote this Clue.
My position is that this Clue was written by the Research Group and refers to something found in the first four Scenes in the book that the Research Group had published.
A weird third option exists, based on your claim of who authored the book, and who wrote what Clue. That the Research Group tried to solve the mystery through their own interpretation of the meaning of LEO'S Clues. I am assuming that it is red herring clue that you are referring to as having my explanation of it implying that Schidlof could not have created the clue since it refers to Duncan. You are quite correct in you observation. I thank you for it. I will have to employ you as an editor! When writing these explanations of the clues I am relying mainly on my memory and poorly scribbled notes. In writing them up I often have to check details, and in doing so make new discoveries and make new connections. The red herring/Lowestoft/Duncan connection was one of those. Since they are new discoveries I do not give myself time to reflect on them to see if are consistent with the bigger picture. I obviously acted too rashly in posting about that connection. I have edited my post as a result. The fact that that connection is not consistent with the idea that Schidlof created the puzzle does not detract from my original interpretation of the clue that remains in my post about that clue. Your interpretation of the ‘ tempted shepherds’ clue says nothing other than you believe it to have been written by the Research Group. That is hardly a very constructive comment.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 25, 2024 10:37:32 GMT -5
The idea that the way to claim the prize is to contact the trustee of the will of Leo Schidlof does present difficulties if it is thought that Duncan could be that trustee. Since Schidlof died in 1967 it is obvious that Duncan could not have been the original trustee Schidlof intended entries to be sent to. This may be argued as evidence that Schidlof was not the author of the puzzle.
If however the only way that the trustee of the will is referred to in the puzzle is ‘ the beast’ , all that would have to be done is to find a suitable new trustee who could be correlated with the beast in some way. This does not seem like to big of a problem to overcome.The puzzle would not have to altered/ updated in any way. Duncan therefore could well have been chosen as a trustee on the basis that his name is easily correlated with the beast. Since Schidlof was allegedly a mason and so too Duncan, it can be speculated that the new trustee was looked for from among the ranks of freemasons.
All of this is speculation as the question of how to submit an entry/ claim the prize is still a mystery to me.
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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 25, 2024 23:10:43 GMT -5
QUOTE BOWNARROW Your interpretation of the 'tempted shepherds' clue says nothing other than you believe it to have been written by the Research Group. That is hardly a very constructive comment. END QUOTE
I have made clear my choice of which Teniers painting I consider to be the Teniers painting that is relevant to the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, but my choice of painting for that mystery is not relevant for the treasure-hunt of MARANATHA as the painting that is relevant for this puzzle is the painting that the Research Group prefers as the Teniers painting. If the Research Group wrote the Clue, then any reference to a painting by Teniers in a Clue written by the Research Group will be a reference to their preferred painting, the painting done by Teniers that is at a different manor, and not a painting in a church in Limoux.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 26, 2024 3:30:22 GMT -5
Ruby,
Your screen name is interesting.
Ruby -> rub y -> rub there(F.) -> rub er(D.) -> rubber -> red(L.)
Felixir -> elix fir-> coil(Gr.) den(D.) -> volumen(L.) end -> book(L.) fimbriae(L.) -> Book fringe(L.) -> Book finger -> Book etsba(H.) -> Book Beast
‘Ruby Felixir’ therefore can be correlated with ‘Red book beast’ - a phrase that could be understood as referring to DB.
Since ‘den’ can also be correlated with ‘lair’ it can also be correlated with ‘red book liar’ .
These correlates of your screen name raise the question whether you are in fact DB?
If so, this might explain your reluctance to post any direct interpretation of any of the clues, text etc.
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Post by rubyfelixir on Apr 26, 2024 7:48:28 GMT -5
No.
But I think that the
ADMINISTRATOR
of this forum could be the
TRUSTEE.
Consider this. What is more sensible? The Trustee trying to find the odd post made in a random forum back-room by a rare puzzler about a forgotten hunt flop, or the Trustee building a website, and then publishing puff-pieces about the Spokes-man, to draw in the rare puzzler, and then building a forum, so that puzzler will make posts about the hunt in only one place where the posts can be easily monitored and read by the Trustee?
You stated that
QUOTE [...] it can be speculated that the new trustee was looked for from among the ranks of Freemasons.
END QUOTE
The Administrator of this forum is a high-ranking Lady Free-Mason. She might be a UFO.
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Post by Bownarrow on Apr 26, 2024 8:04:15 GMT -5
No.
But I think that the
ADMINISTRATOR
of this forum could be the
TRUSTEE.
Consider this. What is more sensible? The Trustee trying to find the odd post made in a random forum back-room by a rare puzzler about a forgotten hunt flop, or the Trustee building a website, and then publishing puff-pieces about the Spokes-man, to draw in the rare puzzler, and then building a forum, so that puzzler will make posts about the hunt in only one place where the posts can be easily monitored and read by the Trustee?
You stated that
QUOTE [...] it can be speculated that the new trustee was looked for from among the ranks of Freemasons.
END QUOTE
The Administrator of this forum is a high-ranking Lady Free-Mason. She might be a UFO.
But if you are a liar, your ‘no’ could mean ‘yes’. Just playing. Jenny, I believe lives in the US. The prize money was said to be one million Pounds. This would seem to indicate that the Trustee, if indeed there ever was one, is likely to live in the UK rather than the US. That would seem to rule Jenny out as a potential candidate. Schidlof lived in the UK right up until just before his death when he is said to have returned to Vienna, his birthplace, where he died. This again would seem to indicate that any potential Trustee would be UK based. Although the Trustee idea does kind of make sense to me on one level, I have a hard time taking it seriously since so much time has passed since the death of LS. Other potential candidates for the trustee I have considered are PP, PdeC, GdeC. All three of these however have also passed away. So that was literally a dead end as well. That really leaves only Duncan as the only obviously viable candidate in my eyes. The main text of the puzzle does talk about guardians -‘ to all the guardians of Heaven ‘. This may be a reference to trustees, but if it is, who it is talking about is still a mystery to me.
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