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Post by ppeetteerr on Jun 24, 2018 10:10:50 GMT -5
A lot of people seem to be assuming WWWH to be Ojo Caliente because Forrest mentioned river bathing in 'too far to walk'
However, Forrest says the hints relating to the poem are in the book I assume this book to mean 'The Thrill of the Chase'
My query is should we just be using TToTC .
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 24, 2018 13:02:53 GMT -5
Double-Peter: my take is that no poem clue solution should critically ~depend~ on TTOTC, TFTW or OUAW, but that all three memoirs will be helpful for inspiring confidence in the correct solution. As such, Ojo Caliente as WWWH doesn't work for me: no way to come up with that using the poem alone.
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Post by heidini on Jun 24, 2018 20:03:59 GMT -5
There has been a great ongoing debate to just stick with the poem versus using other resources such as the thrill the chase, scrapbooks, videos. In my opinion I think a hybrid approach is the best approach. Only believe what Forrest wrote himself or what he said himself. Do not go off of other peoples tangents. And remember Forrest said 15% Of what he said could either be not true or an embellishment. I would pay attention if Forrest says the same thing multiple times. Pay attention to the misspellings and to the “aberrations” such as describing the plot of a book and giving the wrong title etc.
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Post by heidini on Jun 24, 2018 20:06:31 GMT -5
Forrest said himself that good resources are the poem, the thrill of the chase, Google earth and/ or a good map
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 24, 2018 23:00:02 GMT -5
True, Heidini, but he also said you DON'T need the book. That's what I was getting at. If a searcher thinks they found a clue solution from the book first, it's almost certainly wrong.
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Post by heidini on Jun 25, 2018 7:53:45 GMT -5
True, Heidini, but he also said you DON'T need the book. That's what I was getting at. If a searcher thinks they found a clue solution from the book first, it's almost certainly wrong. I just said there was a huge ongoing debate...🤪🤣 |
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Post by heidini on Jun 25, 2018 7:56:54 GMT -5
He might’ve said you don’t need the book but he said there are hints sprinkled throughout it. And they could assist the searcher in understanding the clues in the poem.
Maybe the word “sprinkled” is a hint in itself.
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Post by robjohnson on Jun 25, 2018 8:52:07 GMT -5
All my thoughts.
I did not write the following without no thought. Quote me, as I wrote in June 2017, “But keep in mind, of course, that everything you need is in Fenn’s book. And what I mean by that is that if you do not have the knowledge he has about any particular field, then imagination and creative study will be required outside his book. His book also includes the poem that will guide you to the treasure he has hidden.”
In other words, if you do not know Fenn’s knowledge, you will have to do research. My wwwh came from research outside the poem and ttotc. The book hinted at what I needed to research. Then I matched the research to the book, the poem and a map. The research was needed because I did not know what Fenn knew.
I know many searchers have strong opinions to the contrary. Some may call it going down a rabbit hole. I’m okay with that and you personally may disagree also. The logic question is begged, “Do you know what Fenn knows?” If you think you know all he knows, then do not bother with research outside ttotc and the poem. If you think you do not know all he knows, then research is needed. For example, did you know about Omar Khayyam before the chase? I didn’t. And another thought, page 11 ttotc – “But the college professors always assigned these books – so there certainly was that to think about.”
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 25, 2018 13:01:24 GMT -5
He might’ve said you don’t need the book but he said there are hints sprinkled throughout it. And they could assist the searcher in understanding the clues in the poem. Maybe the word “sprinkled” is a hint in itself. Hi Heidini: what's interesting about the "sprinkled" comment in TTOTC to me is its seeming contradiction with "hints not deliberately placed to aid the seeker." Sprinkling hints in the book certainly sounds like a deliberate action to me, not something incidental or accidental that he noticed after the fact. So if the hints are deliberate, then it would seem that at least one of two things must be true: (1) the hints weren't deliberately *placed*, and/or (2) the purpose of the hints ISN'T to aid the seeker. I lean more toward the latter: that there is nothing you're going to find in the books that on its own will solve a clue for you. Solving WWWH will come from the poem and the would-be searcher's noggin. |
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Post by heidini on Jun 25, 2018 17:49:54 GMT -5
He might’ve said you don’t need the book but he said there are hints sprinkled throughout it. And they could assist the searcher in understanding the clues in the poem. Maybe the word “sprinkled” is a hint in itself. Hi Heidini: what's interesting about the "sprinkled" comment in TTOTC to me is its seeming contradiction with "hints not deliberately placed to aid the seeker." Sprinkling hints in the book certainly sounds like a deliberate action to me, not something incidental or accidental that he noticed after the fact. So if the hints are deliberate, then it would seem that at least one of two things must be true: (1) the hints weren't deliberately *placed*, and/or (2) the purpose of the hints ISN'T to aid the seeker. I lean more toward the latter: that there is nothing you're going to find in the books that on its own will solve a clue for you. Solving WWWH will come from the poem and the would-be searcher's noggin. I guess we won’t know until the chest is found. 😊 |
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Post by heidini on Jun 25, 2018 17:51:23 GMT -5
He might’ve said you don’t need the book but he said there are hints sprinkled throughout it. And they could assist the searcher in understanding the clues in the poem. Maybe the word “sprinkled” is a hint in itself. Hi Heidini: what's interesting about the "sprinkled" comment in TTOTC to me is its seeming contradiction with "hints not deliberately placed to aid the seeker." Sprinkling hints in the book certainly sounds like a deliberate action to me, not something incidental or accidental that he noticed after the fact. So if the hints are deliberate, then it would seem that at least one of two things must be true: (1) the hints weren't deliberately *placed*, and/or (2) the purpose of the hints ISN'T to aid the seeker. I lean more toward the latter: that there is nothing you're going to find in the books that on its own will solve a clue for you. Solving WWWH will come from the poem and the would-be searcher's noggin. remember the 15/ 85 rule. 😊 |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 26, 2018 15:39:45 GMT -5
I am mindful of the 85/15 comment, but I don't like to use it as a crutch every time I'm trying to reconcile seemingly (at first glance) conflicting comments from Forrest.
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Post by heidini on Jun 26, 2018 15:47:49 GMT -5
I am mindful of the 85/15 comment, but I don't like to use it as a crutch every time I'm trying to reconcile seemingly (at first glance) conflicting comments from Forrest. Maybe when you have found the right place, you will see that there are no conflicts. Everything will fall into place |
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Post by heidini on Jun 26, 2018 15:48:06 GMT -5
I am mindful of the 85/15 comment, but I don't like to use it as a crutch every time I'm trying to reconcile seemingly (at first glance) conflicting comments from Forrest. Maybe when you have found the right place, you will see that there are no conflicts. Everything will fall into place. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 26, 2018 16:08:28 GMT -5
Oh, I'm in the right general place, I have no doubt of that. I have no trouble explaining any of the 100+ after-the-fact remarks that Forrest has made, save one: I have no explanation for the leaving-the-search-partner-in-the-car comment. That one is a bit baffling.
If 2 people search together, the weight can be divided, so no need for 2 trips from the car. If one person searches alone and requires two trips to get the loot, the treasure-less chest would remain unguarded in the car during the second round trip.
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