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Post by stiparest on Aug 29, 2019 11:54:08 GMT -5
goldenchild - thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Yes, it helps clear up some of my confusion! I also have pet names for each page that others probably wouldn't understand LOL! I try not to use them in the forums, but sometimes I slip! The main problem I have with HQ being east of Jordan Pond is that there is nothing there - no cottage, no trail, no place for his cabin to be. But it does say he's a hermit, so I realize it's not impossible in the fantasy world of Fandango! Safe travels and good luck on the hunt. I really wish somebody would solve this thing before the end date!
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Post by thisjustin on Aug 29, 2019 12:28:08 GMT -5
Stiparest and goldenchild, Thanks for your detailed recording of Fandango's travels. The one point where I have a different view is page 12. I have always believed it represents Man O War Brook. That is where a little waterfall "tumbled to the sea." See the pic below that I took while visiting MDI earlier this summer (the trip that led me to to find the Fandango book/hunt). Glad to see there has been some activity on the boards recently. We'll solve it eventually!
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Post by stiparest on Aug 29, 2019 13:42:34 GMT -5
Stiparest and goldenchild, Thanks for your detailed recording of Fandango's travels. The one point where I have a different view is page 12. I have always believed it represents Man O War Brook. That is where a little waterfall "tumbled to the sea." Glad to see there has been some activity on the boards recently. We'll solve it eventually! Thank you, thisjustin. I had not heard of this waterfall. Definitely worth a look!
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Post by goldenchild on Aug 29, 2019 14:25:02 GMT -5
goldenchild - thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Yes, it helps clear up some of my confusion! I also have pet names for each page that others probably wouldn't understand LOL! I try not to use them in the forums, but sometimes I slip! The main problem I have with HQ being east of Jordan Pond is that there is nothing there - no cottage, no trail, no place for his cabin to be. But it does say he's a hermit, so I realize it's not impossible in the fantasy world of Fandango! Safe travels and good luck on the hunt. I really wish somebody would solve this thing before the end date! yes you are right, nothing is at that POI location south east of Jordan lake. But why include that POI on the map then? If it’s not Harley’s cabin then it’s only purpose has to be a confirmation that the coordinates you pulled from that page and the Nikon page were meant to be used exactly as your using them. BUT....I think that’s just a road sign clue indicating your on the right path. Like the clues previously used that lead to these coordinates. A lot of clues feed into the next set of clues etc. There is another step to take after getting those coordinates that once figured out pinpoints a spot on the island. Once you find that spot, you will see it referenced all throughout the book. Always obscured, but very frequent. I promise I’ll spill the beans when I get back home and can accurately document every occurrence in print and illustration of the location. I also just want to see this thing found. Unless I crack the entire riddle, and it backs up this spot I won’t ever be flying across the country on a hunch alone.
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Post by thisjustin on Oct 29, 2019 14:17:19 GMT -5
I was re-reading this thread and appreciating all the detail provided on mapping Fandango's route. Then I started thinking ... if everything we need is in the book, then why bother mapping the route at all? Without first hand knowledge of the island or going outside the book to do some internet sleuthing, there is no way to pick out locations like Thuya Gardens or the Wingwood House. Someone simply reading the book would have no idea what those were much less where they would be located on the map on p. 56.
Perhaps it is the directions we should pay attention to rather than the locations themselves.
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Post by stiparest on Oct 30, 2019 13:07:29 GMT -5
I was re-reading this thread and appreciating all the detail provided on mapping Fandango's route. Then I started thinking ... if everything we need is in the book, then why bother mapping the route at all? Without first hand knowledge of the island or going outside the book to do some internet sleuthing, there is no way to pick out locations like Thuya Gardens or the Wingwood House. Someone simply reading the book would have no idea what those were much less where they would be located on the map on p. 56. Perhaps it is the directions we should pay attention to rather than the locations themselves. thisjustin -
I agree. Knowing where all these places are and learning about the prominent people who built Acadia or who lived in Bar Harbor is a fun exercise in history, but I don't think this information is necessary to figuring out the riddle. Once the riddle is solved, it might be necessary to pull out a map just to know how to get there, but other than that, I think all these historical and location connections are red herrings - put there to distract us. You can find multiple connections to just about every part of every illustration and text in the book. There are a number of references/ nods to Masquerade, but Pel has said you do not need knowledge of that or any other book to solve the riddle. The incorrect ISBN number, who wrote a book on Harley Quinn's bookshelf, or what one of those books is about - none of that should be relevant except to misdirect and confuse us. [Job done!]
I wish I could go back and start over without a computer or books for reference and look at Fandango with an uncorrupted mind LOL! Right now I can't un-see all the connections I've found. I do still have one or two ideas that do not require all of the historical references, but I still haven't discovered the elusive riddle, and if the 'star code' is the riddle, I haven't solved it.
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Post by pumalion on Feb 14, 2020 12:26:53 GMT -5
Three things strike me about the p. 56 map.
1) Some of the illustrations earlier in the book seem to mimic the map. For instance, Chief Abnaki's leg and shoulder on p. 32 look similar to the curve of the road on the left side of the map, with the character's toe and pants cuff (or is that the folded-over top of his moccasin?) matching up with the Bass Harbor / Seawall / Manset area of the map. Maybe the Chief's fire is also part of the match with the map? Since he seems to be holding a map to fan the flames, this could be confirmation that there is a map clue in the Abnaki illustration.
2) The winds in the corners of the map may represent the Wind goddess. Does it matter that each wind has a unique kind of "breath"? Two are squiggle and two are straight; Two have dashes and two do not.
3) The p. 56 map symbols are woefully incomplete. The map shows five anchorages; in reality, there are many harbors and anchorages around the island. As the previous discussion points out, there are also many more points of interest around the island - why limit the map to indicate only those selected few? Some intersections and mountain peaks are also singled out while others are ignored. What is important about those locations - are they important only for purposes of decoding this map (or decoding the book as a whole)?
If I were to venture a guess, I might surmise that the Stockwells wanted to narrow down a set of points on this map so we could draw lines connecting points. Whether those lines would mark a linear course traveled by the fox, I don't know. It could be we will identify an "X marks the spot" if we can draw the correct lines through the right landmarks.
P.S. "Key- is found on the bottom of the map. The map key tells you what the symbols on the map stand for."
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Post by morpheus221 on Feb 14, 2020 21:08:16 GMT -5
One thought. If you take the four sigils (POIs) on the other pages (bookshelf, road sign etc) and superimpose them on the map, you could form an X confirming the location where the key may be hidden.
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Post by goldenchild on Mar 8, 2020 13:33:36 GMT -5
One thought. If you take the four sigils (POIs) on the other pages (bookshelf, road sign etc) and superimpose them on the map, you could form an X confirming the location where the key may be hidden. thst was precisely my theory. After plotting all the locations, including deer creek bridge, some of the points are perfectly inline with others and make a big arrow that just happened to converge right on my DMS location after rearranging the #’s of the isbn of the orange book. I thought for sure I’d done it when that Happened.
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Mar 20, 2020 18:53:16 GMT -5
Common knowledge by now, but Fandango's shape in the first illustration is basically a silhouette of him in the back of the book. Its easy to see by finding his left ear first.
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Post by thedawailey on Mar 21, 2020 8:46:26 GMT -5
Common knowledge by now, but Fandango's shape in the first illustration is basically a silhouette of him in the back of the book. Its easy to see by finding his left ear first. illuminatps,
Yes, I've been working with this for years. One thing I noticed right away is that there are two rows of pointy leaves that point to another row of leaves that seems to direct you to his hip, which on the map is Bar Harbor. There are other clues to Bar Harbor including A Measure of Gold (Bar) and Hidden Away (Harbor), first pointed out by puma lion I believe.
I tried working with a few other 'directions' we've been given and here are some things I found:
"Follows his nose" = The the tip of his nose on the page 56 map is formed by an intersection between Rte 3 and a secondary road. At that intersection is a pond. Admittedly going outside the book for details, it is called Hamilton Pond. At the far end of this pond is an old dam at the inlet of Stony Brook. There is a short walking trail to this dam and access to the trail is down a small road called Red Dog Road. These specific details are outside the book, but the pond and the brook can be seen on the map on page 56. This area is outside the park.
"Stay 'right' on my tail" as directions to stay on the right side of his tail = Schooner Head on the map on page 56. Although the lookout is inside the park, Schooner Head itself and surrounding area is not. There is a road and some trails in the non-park area. If you compare the base of his tail (on the right side) on page 5 to Schooner Head on the map on page 56 (dark green area), they are the same shape and overlaying one on top of the other is an exact match in shape. Also the drawing of a wave on page 8 is close to a mirror image of the shape of Schooner Head.
"Stay right on my tail" as directions to follow the tip of his tail = The lower part of the fox and along his tail to the left is a little harder to follow on the map to get an exact position. I've tried a few variations but after overlaying the image on page 5 with the page 56 map, the tip of his tail usually ends up on the west side of the island somewhere in the area of the southern tip of Long Pond/ Beech Mountain/ St. Sauveur Mountain, mostly inside park land. I haven't had much luck with being able to pinpoint a location for the end of his tail.
I've looked at a few other fox/map ideas, but none with much validation. The tip of that funny foot is around Aunt Betty Pond on the map, or a little higher at the intersection just above it. His right ear connects to the Trenton Bridge to the mainland, the base of that ear is Town Hill. Farther down, his right shoulder is Somesville. His left ear is in Eden, his nose is in Salisbury Cove, his hip is Bar Harbor and the right side (base) of his tail is Schooner Head. Once you get to the southern and western part of the fox/ map comparisons, things are less clear.
If anybody has found a different way to match the fox to the map, or if you see additional information in the book to back up any of these ideas, I'd love to hear them! Right now we are running out of time and I for one want to see this solved!
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Post by astree on Mar 21, 2020 11:49:05 GMT -5
Common knowledge by now, but Fandango's shape in the first illustration is basically a silhouette of him in the back of the book. Its easy to see by finding his left ear first. illuminatps,
Yes, I've been working with this for years. One thing I noticed right away is that there are two rows of pointy leaves that point to another row of leaves that seems to direct you to his hip, which on the map is Bar Harbor. There are other clues to Bar Harbor including A Measure of Gold (Bar) and Hidden Away (Harbor), first pointed out by puma lion I believe.
I tried working with a few other 'directions' we've been given and here are some things I found:
"Follows his nose" = The the tip of his nose on the page 56 map is formed by an intersection between Rte 3 and a secondary road. At that intersection is a pond. Admittedly going outside the book for details, it is called Hamilton Pond. I'm not seeing this very well. Are you guys saying the silhouette is an exact match, or kind of sort of approximate? For example, the "U" shape between Fandango's hip and chin on p. 5... where is it on the map on p. 56. Between Bar Harbor and Lookout Point? How do the ripples on Fandango's neck line up?
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Post by astree on Mar 21, 2020 11:54:45 GMT -5
One thought. If you take the four sigils (POIs) on the other pages (bookshelf, road sign etc) and superimpose them on the map, you could form an X confirming the location where the key may be hidden. thst was precisely my theory. After plotting all the locations, including deer creek bridge, some of the points are perfectly inline with others and make a big arrow that just happened to converge right on my DMS location after rearranging the #’s of the isbn of the orange book. I thought for sure I’d done it when that Happened. Here is the overlay I came up with Attachments:
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Post by thedawailey on Mar 21, 2020 13:19:26 GMT -5
illuminatps,
Yes, I've been working with this for years. One thing I noticed right away is that there are two rows of pointy leaves that point to another row of leaves that seems to direct you to his hip, which on the map is Bar Harbor. There are other clues to Bar Harbor including A Measure of Gold (Bar) and Hidden Away (Harbor), first pointed out by puma lion I believe.
I tried working with a few other 'directions' we've been given and here are some things I found:
"Follows his nose" = The the tip of his nose on the page 56 map is formed by an intersection between Rte 3 and a secondary road. At that intersection is a pond. Admittedly going outside the book for details, it is called Hamilton Pond. I'm not seeing this very well. Are you guys saying the silhouette is an exact match, or kind of sort of approximate? For example, the "U" shape between Fandango's hip and chin on p. 5... where is it on the map on p. 56. Between Bar Harbor and Lookout Point? How do the ripples on Fandango's neck line up? The outline of the fox is approximated by the red lines that are the roads, not detailed for all the internal markings on the fox. It follows the top and right side of the fox quite well, but the bottom (which would be along the tail) and the left (down his right shoulder and 'elbow') are not as clear. I'm attaching a rough image of the roads that outline the lines of the fox. My digital tracing skills leave something to be desired!
I have overlaid the images and they closely match these lines.
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Post by thedawailey on Mar 21, 2020 14:16:22 GMT -5
I'm not seeing this very well. Are you guys saying the silhouette is an exact match, or kind of sort of approximate? For example, the "U" shape between Fandango's hip and chin on p. 5... where is it on the map on p. 56. Between Bar Harbor and Lookout Point? How do the ripples on Fandango's neck line up? astree -
Here is another view. This is an overlay - not a great image, but hopefully you can see the similarities between the fox on page 5 and the roads on the page 56 map, traced in red. The image of the fox does have to be tilted for it to 'fit' the map markings. And as I said, there are no specific road markings that outline the tail or left side of the image (his right leg and end of the tail). The red lines are roads on the map. The red lines for his tail are just a suggestion as there are no roads there, but if his tail fits into Schooner Head, this is where it goes. I've played around with this off & on over the years, but other than a similar shape, I have not been able to find anything that leads to a solution. You can see it is not an exact match, but more of an outline that follows the lines of the fox. Attachments:
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