Post by ironwill on Dec 15, 2018 23:32:31 GMT -5
Well, since those few who won't speak will not help all of the rest of us, then it's upon our shoulders to help each other by throwing our attempts out there for each of us to see.
Perhaps this will help spawn ideas in each other by seeing someone else's thoughts and theories. Before we each start, let us first display the facts to help with "discovery." :
1: The following code is Special Words from Forrest Fenn to searchers. Can you solve the puzzle and discover what they are? This is the sentence given just before the code of 80 numbers (each used once I believe) in order to spell out a message from Forrest.
A: Special Words (capitalized) could be important in deciphering the code.
B: solve the puzzle also could draw attention to the puzzle pieces found throughout the book.
2: The message from Forrest is especially for the searchers, might hold something special, is very interesting, it offers something towards knowing the location (assumption of the location of the treasure), and the message is a sentence from Forrest to searchers. These are each of the "paraphrased" quotes from Jenny concerning the code.
3: The code is a set of "arranged" numerals 1-80 (each used only once I believe)
4: There are 16 puzzle pieces throughout the book, each with 5 sets of coded numerals based in a 2 set structure. This gives us a total of 80 of the 2 set structural numerals, which also matches the numeral count of 80 in his message.
A: The 2 set structure uses selected numbers from a range of 3-417 as its first set, and it uses selected numbers 1-9 in its second set.
5: Jenny openly admits that the 289-9(puzzle piece) is a typo and should be 289-8, but would not really affect the final solution. This is given in the Q&A for Forrest's Coded Words and not as general content throughout the book.
From the premises above we can state (so far) the following FACTS (given that Jenny has been truthful during the process with no deception in her answers)....
Fact 1: Forrest's message is meant for searchers, is very interesting and offers something within it's context towards knowing the treasure's location (assuming this is what Jenny meant above in location)
Fact 2: Each numeral 1-80 in the coded message represents a letter. When all letters are solved and placed, it will spell out the sentence from Forrest. (They cannot represent words as it would then reveal a paragraph not sentence, as Jenny has stated it is)
Fact 3: The 80 puzzle piece number codes are indeed a direct correlation in deciphering the numerals 1-80.
Fact 4: The tilt of the puzzle pieces have no bearing on solving the code. (said by Jenny in response to Zaphod)
Okay, now for the ALMOST FACTS (implied as a fact but has not been said by an authoritative person outright as such)....
Assumption 1: Each of the 2 set structure numerals found on the puzzle pieces are assigned a value of 1-80 (each value used only once I believe). Once the puzzle piece numeral sets are value identified, an individual can plug in the letter it represents into the appropriate numeral location in his code to spell out the sentence.
Assumption 2: Each of the 2 set structure numerals represent a letter found by decoding its structure within the confines of the book.
Alright. Now lets get down to our solve attempts. I'll start with mine.
My Special Words attempt:
I am under my own assumption that, given the puzzle pieces have the TTotC Chest photo on them, and that the code are Special Words from Forrest, and that the secondary numeral of the 2 set structure is limited from 1-9... that the puzzle pieces are broken with the chapter The Thrill of the Chase on page 57, but more importantly... page 58 and 59 containing his Special Words...the poem of 9 clues. I have tried the following attempt...
imgur.com/UDSpnsL
In this I wrote the poem using only letters in 9 columns constantly repeating itself. I went all the way to around 210 and it gave me enough to see that the combinations were not spelling out anything verifying. I also am working on using a repeating line decode like this....
1,25,49,73,etc As I have gone alone in there
2,26,50,74,etc And with my treasures bold,
3,27,51,75,etc I can keep my secret where,
4,28,52,76,etc And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
From there it's no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There'll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
If you've been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I've done it tired, and now I'm weak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
24,48,72,96... I give you title to the gold.
Using this example I would go to the appropriate line and go to the appropriate letter (1-9 depending on the code). I keep running into the problem of not having the value assignments of 1-80 to determine if my letters are making sense in a sentence structure. I want to assume that the 5 coded numbers on the first puzzle piece on page 1 is assigned (in order) 1,2,3,4, and 5 continuing on as you encounter each new piece. But it's entirely possible that this is not the case.
However, I did run into something interesting. The secondary number value in the puzzle piece codes appear in the following occurrences(given Jenny's typo properly corrected)...
Now... my theory in this meta data of the code, is that given that the message is very interesting and says something to knowing the location of the treasure... What if these occurrences of 1-9 are actually Forrest's message to all of us searchers that, at publication time of Jenny's book, these are the amount of searchers (who he knows of through communication) who have figured out each clue? It descends down in order and completely drops off to 5 people after the fourth clue. And clue 3 would naturally make sense being 3 more than the people who figured out clues 1 and 2. If clue 3 is a "measurable" distance clue people could have actually figured it out without knowing where to apply it (1 and 2). So if we did follow this fantasy theory ... 16 people have figured out clues 1 and 2 yet only 12 of them know correctly guessed the Home of Brown(given that this is the 4th clue). From there they drop off rapidly so "No place for the Meek" is severely limiting their success. To give an example of "too far to walk" , what if it was used with a Texas redneck slang... TWO FOUR TWO. And "walk" would be paces. So 242 paces or around 605 feet. Anyway as I said it's just an example of how there are 3 more who figured out the distance than the amount of people who knew where to apply said distance. If this is the case... then there are three people who have figured out clues 7 and 8 getting them to the general location of the treasure (whether they know it or not). Only two of them cracked the final clue which is important to being present and finding the chest. This would fall perfectly in line with what Forrest said about three people who mentioned key words that would most likely grab his attention in many emails (paraphrasing).
I've asked Jenny if I am right about the occurrences, but she never replied. It would be nice if she could reply here to that, so that I can stop obsessing over the possibility of it. Anyway guys and gals... that's my full guesswork so far. I am trying to be as transparent as possible, because I believe if one of us should know the message from Forrest then all of us should (if indeed the message is possibly important to finding the treasure) So, we are given only the one recourse to help each other solve it since the certain few shall not. I understand their motives though. They want to solve the Forgotten Word and get a 500 dollar Christmas bonus. Anyhow... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all and I hope to hear about your ideas on this code so it may help me spur some new thinking on how to crack it.
Will
Perhaps this will help spawn ideas in each other by seeing someone else's thoughts and theories. Before we each start, let us first display the facts to help with "discovery." :
1: The following code is Special Words from Forrest Fenn to searchers. Can you solve the puzzle and discover what they are? This is the sentence given just before the code of 80 numbers (each used once I believe) in order to spell out a message from Forrest.
A: Special Words (capitalized) could be important in deciphering the code.
B: solve the puzzle also could draw attention to the puzzle pieces found throughout the book.
2: The message from Forrest is especially for the searchers, might hold something special, is very interesting, it offers something towards knowing the location (assumption of the location of the treasure), and the message is a sentence from Forrest to searchers. These are each of the "paraphrased" quotes from Jenny concerning the code.
3: The code is a set of "arranged" numerals 1-80 (each used only once I believe)
4: There are 16 puzzle pieces throughout the book, each with 5 sets of coded numerals based in a 2 set structure. This gives us a total of 80 of the 2 set structural numerals, which also matches the numeral count of 80 in his message.
A: The 2 set structure uses selected numbers from a range of 3-417 as its first set, and it uses selected numbers 1-9 in its second set.
5: Jenny openly admits that the 289-9(puzzle piece) is a typo and should be 289-8, but would not really affect the final solution. This is given in the Q&A for Forrest's Coded Words and not as general content throughout the book.
From the premises above we can state (so far) the following FACTS (given that Jenny has been truthful during the process with no deception in her answers)....
Fact 1: Forrest's message is meant for searchers, is very interesting and offers something within it's context towards knowing the treasure's location (assuming this is what Jenny meant above in location)
Fact 2: Each numeral 1-80 in the coded message represents a letter. When all letters are solved and placed, it will spell out the sentence from Forrest. (They cannot represent words as it would then reveal a paragraph not sentence, as Jenny has stated it is)
Fact 3: The 80 puzzle piece number codes are indeed a direct correlation in deciphering the numerals 1-80.
Fact 4: The tilt of the puzzle pieces have no bearing on solving the code. (said by Jenny in response to Zaphod)
Okay, now for the ALMOST FACTS (implied as a fact but has not been said by an authoritative person outright as such)....
Assumption 1: Each of the 2 set structure numerals found on the puzzle pieces are assigned a value of 1-80 (each value used only once I believe). Once the puzzle piece numeral sets are value identified, an individual can plug in the letter it represents into the appropriate numeral location in his code to spell out the sentence.
Assumption 2: Each of the 2 set structure numerals represent a letter found by decoding its structure within the confines of the book.
Alright. Now lets get down to our solve attempts. I'll start with mine.
My Special Words attempt:
I am under my own assumption that, given the puzzle pieces have the TTotC Chest photo on them, and that the code are Special Words from Forrest, and that the secondary numeral of the 2 set structure is limited from 1-9... that the puzzle pieces are broken with the chapter The Thrill of the Chase on page 57, but more importantly... page 58 and 59 containing his Special Words...the poem of 9 clues. I have tried the following attempt...
imgur.com/UDSpnsLIn this I wrote the poem using only letters in 9 columns constantly repeating itself. I went all the way to around 210 and it gave me enough to see that the combinations were not spelling out anything verifying. I also am working on using a repeating line decode like this....
1,25,49,73,etc As I have gone alone in there
2,26,50,74,etc And with my treasures bold,
3,27,51,75,etc I can keep my secret where,
4,28,52,76,etc And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
From there it's no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There'll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
If you've been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I've done it tired, and now I'm weak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
24,48,72,96... I give you title to the gold.
Using this example I would go to the appropriate line and go to the appropriate letter (1-9 depending on the code). I keep running into the problem of not having the value assignments of 1-80 to determine if my letters are making sense in a sentence structure. I want to assume that the 5 coded numbers on the first puzzle piece on page 1 is assigned (in order) 1,2,3,4, and 5 continuing on as you encounter each new piece. But it's entirely possible that this is not the case.
However, I did run into something interesting. The secondary number value in the puzzle piece codes appear in the following occurrences(given Jenny's typo properly corrected)...
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |
| 16 times | 16 times | 19 times | 12 times | 5 times | 4 times | 3 times | 3 times | 2 times |
Now... my theory in this meta data of the code, is that given that the message is very interesting and says something to knowing the location of the treasure... What if these occurrences of 1-9 are actually Forrest's message to all of us searchers that, at publication time of Jenny's book, these are the amount of searchers (who he knows of through communication) who have figured out each clue? It descends down in order and completely drops off to 5 people after the fourth clue. And clue 3 would naturally make sense being 3 more than the people who figured out clues 1 and 2. If clue 3 is a "measurable" distance clue people could have actually figured it out without knowing where to apply it (1 and 2). So if we did follow this fantasy theory ... 16 people have figured out clues 1 and 2 yet only 12 of them know correctly guessed the Home of Brown(given that this is the 4th clue). From there they drop off rapidly so "No place for the Meek" is severely limiting their success. To give an example of "too far to walk" , what if it was used with a Texas redneck slang... TWO FOUR TWO. And "walk" would be paces. So 242 paces or around 605 feet. Anyway as I said it's just an example of how there are 3 more who figured out the distance than the amount of people who knew where to apply said distance. If this is the case... then there are three people who have figured out clues 7 and 8 getting them to the general location of the treasure (whether they know it or not). Only two of them cracked the final clue which is important to being present and finding the chest. This would fall perfectly in line with what Forrest said about three people who mentioned key words that would most likely grab his attention in many emails (paraphrasing).
I've asked Jenny if I am right about the occurrences, but she never replied. It would be nice if she could reply here to that, so that I can stop obsessing over the possibility of it. Anyway guys and gals... that's my full guesswork so far. I am trying to be as transparent as possible, because I believe if one of us should know the message from Forrest then all of us should (if indeed the message is possibly important to finding the treasure) So, we are given only the one recourse to help each other solve it since the certain few shall not. I understand their motives though. They want to solve the Forgotten Word and get a 500 dollar Christmas bonus. Anyhow... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all and I hope to hear about your ideas on this code so it may help me spur some new thinking on how to crack it.
Will
