Image 3 Verse 11: Clues for Casque to be on Roanoke Island

[choice]

I noticed the queen's coffin was covered with three lions shield flag (in yellow), symbol of England since King Henry I/12th century.
The three lions is also the emblem of the Football (soccer) Association in blue, the sport's governing body in England since 1872.
You may see the lions' paws/claws in the meteors below.

[diceycat]

Don’t buy it!
If I did , what could you extrapolate from that.?
The English people in the colony had a soccer game with the indigenous and lost so they had to leave ASAP?
To me it ties in with the line “ in December” , possibly a snowstorm? or just a way of linking the written line to the visual interpretation, ( Verse to Painting), like fence and fixture both in verse and image.
The land by the window or the road ( Pear Pad rd. in the dark,) that leads to the dark forest. I think most if not all the roads are depicted in some way  in the perimeter of the paintings
Like I said before. Your not going to put an image of Pear Pad Rd. in the painting then bury the casque miles away in some base / soccer  ball field. Does not Compute.

Usually you see that annular ring when ice crystals are present .
If one thinks it could relate to lions then why not one more confirmation for the Lions Club.
You already pointed out a few posts back that those hand signals mean lost.( Lost Colony).

[choice]

So apparently Boston puzzle was about the revolutionary war that was settled by a baseball game till Barry Bonds' drug test came hence the war of 1812.

[canuck]

Sept 14, 2022 18:35:12 GMT -5 diceycat said:

Don’t buy it!
If I did , what could you extrapolate from that.?
The English people in the colony had a soccer game with the indigenous and lost so they had to leave ASAP?
To me it ties in with the line “ in December” , possibly a snowstorm? or just a way of linking the written line to the visual interpretation, ( Verse to Painting), like fence and fixture both in verse and image.
The land by the window or the road ( Pear Pad rd. in the dark,) that leads to the dark forest. I think most if not all the roads are depicted in some way  in the perimeter of the paintings
Like I said before. Your not going to put an image of Pear Pad Rd. in the painting then bury the casque miles away in some base / soccer  ball field. Does not Compute.

Usually you see that annular ring when ice crystals are present .
If one thinks it could relate to lions then why not one more confirmation for the Lions Club.
You already pointed out a few posts back that those hand signals mean lost.( Lost Colony).

What I don’t buy is Byron digging in a well established National Historic Site, whether it’s Fort Raleigh/Elizabethan Gardens or Wright Brothers Monument. 
Chicago was fill, Cleveland was a planter, Boston was fill…there is no precedent for Byron hiding a casque in ground that could be considered historic. He had no interest in defiling such areas, it goes against the messaging of The Secret. 
The best places to search for casques are going to be non-descript with dirt of no historical significance much like the 3 found casques.  

[diceycat]

Sept 14, 2022 20:52:52 GMT -5 choice said:

So apparently Boston puzzle was about the revolutionary war that was settled by a baseball game till Barry Bonds' drug test came hence the war of 1812.

No,  Type of park is irrelevant. The Boston clues were what can be seen from the dig site . The old north church, Paul Revere line in verse ( image in Pandora’s box), the USS Constitution ( port hole) Xenophon wrote a Constitution. Draw a line from the church to that porthole in the USS Constitution and you cross home plate ( feel at home).
The location of the dig site I think ties into the JFK theme nicely . Both Poupolo and JFK were murder at a young age , both went to Harvard and have their name in a park wether it’s the entire park or just a Road going through the park. Both we’re heroes and both played football in Harvard. The Peridot stone for Boston was for Italian, ( Poupolo). Stone for Roanoke is Garnet for England. Is that an “ English” soccer field or do the English play soccer there, was it named after someone important that’s English? Walter Raleigh perhaps?

For Roanoke you better be able to see the Wright Bros. Memorial from your dig site. BP is not going to put in the line “by dauntless inconquerable determination “ as a throw away line. You already know that you go past the two friends of Octave ( the Wright bros.)

[diceycat]

Sept 14, 2022 21:59:19 GMT -5 canuck said:

Chicago was fill, Cleveland was a planter, Boston was fill…there is no precedent for Byron hiding a casque in ground that could be considered historic. He had no interest in defiling such areas, it goes against the messaging of The Secret. 
The best places to search for casques are going to be non-descript with dirt of no historical significance much like the 3 found casques.  

Back in the day Fort Raleigh probably wasn’t a big deal , not a National Historic site like the Wright bros. Memorial. Does Fort Raleigh have any archeological digs or is it just a site where they think the Colony lived back then. Heck they built an amphitheater , dug foundations for monuments etc. no problem.

Just like Aquatic park in San Francisco goes from a nothing park to a national park.
FOY park doesn’t seem to have any problem with people  digging there ( with permission) and that’s a historic site.

[canuck]

Sept 14, 2022 22:49:14 GMT -5 diceycat said:

Sept 14, 2022 21:59:19 GMT -5 canuck said:

Chicago was fill, Cleveland was a planter, Boston was fill…there is no precedent for Byron hiding a casque in ground that could be considered historic. He had no interest in defiling such areas, it goes against the messaging of The Secret. 
The best places to search for casques are going to be non-descript with dirt of no historical significance much like the 3 found casques.  

Back in the day Fort Raleigh probably wasn’t a big deal , not a National Historic site like the Wright bros. Memorial. Does Fort Raleigh have any archeological digs or is it just a site where they think the Colony lived back then. Heck they built an amphitheater , dug foundations for monuments etc. no problem.

Just like Aquatic park in San Francisco goes from a nothing park to a national park.
FOY park doesn’t seem to have any problem with people  digging there ( with permission) and that’s a historic site.

Fort Raleigh has been NPS property since 1941 and on the NRHP since 1966 so not a chance it “wasn’t a big deal”. Don’t go digging on NPS land that existed before the early 1980s! 

You are correct that Aquatic Park is fair game, but that’s true for any park that became NPS property AFTER the casques were buried. 

FOY is PRIVATE property, yeah it’s historical, but doesn’t mean the owner has the most respect for that fact, otherwise he wouldn’t allow so much digging. Besides, he likes The Secret and wants to find the casque on his property, so not exactly impartial…the man wrongly believes he has some skin in this game! 

[diceycat]

Not saying anyone should do it but I’m sure some people have probed and dug in Fort Raleigh looking for the casque. It could be that BP didn’t think it was a big deal back then not like now . Maybe BP might have hoped that someone would just mail in the solution and get the prize.
As far as FOY goes it’s his land and I don’t think it would be unreasonable to probe/ dig in my proposed site. Who knows maybe the current owner or previous owner were in on the original burial back in the day . It’s certainly good advertising for him and additional revenue.

[canuck]

Sept 15, 2022 18:54:40 GMT -5 diceycat said:

Not saying anyone should do it but I’m sure some people have probed and dug in Fort Raleigh looking for the casque. It could be that BP didn’t think it was a big deal back then not like now . Maybe BP might have hoped that someone would just mail in the solution and get the prize.
As far as FOY goes it’s his land and I don’t think it would be unreasonable to probe/ dig in my proposed site. Who knows maybe the current owner or previous owner were in on the original burial back in the day . It’s certainly good advertising for him and additional revenue.

That is precisely why it’s NOT at FOY. No way Byron would have people pay admission to a private business in order to dig up a casque. No chance the owner at the time (who I believe was the father of the current owner) was in on it…that goes against the rule in the back of the book stating it’s not on private property of anyone associated with The Secret. On top of that FOY is mentioned in the book, don’t think Byron is just going to name a burial site like that, sure didn’t do it in case of the 3 known burial sites. 

[diceycat]

Well your certainly entitled to your opinion. You may be correct but I haven’t seen your solution yet. How does SELOY fit in your solution?
Like I said in the past you could mail in your solution . I doubt he would expect you to pay for admission but then again it’s a small price to pay if one has to travel many miles to get there in the 1st place. People are paying admission now and not digging. BP seemed to do these burials undercover of darkness or uniform so maybe he expected others to do the same. It’s all theory. We don’t know what BP thought.
I can only surmise what the verse and painting is telling me.

[diceycat]

Ok , let’s look closer at those restrictions ( dig site hints for me) that don’t hold a casque.
Why would he say it’s not buried in a cemetery ,then in the next line he specifically says not in a public or private flower bed? Why not just say flower bed? Seems odd.

Chicago casque, by an active railway , by an embankment, maybe BP thought the treasure hunters would dig on the other side of the fence.

Cleveland casque, in a planter / flower bed. You could just as easily put flowers in that location . Difficult distinction to make if you saw flowers growing there.

Boston casque, area was contaminated with molasses ( great molasses flood)

“Choice “wants to dig in a private flower bed ( now gone),in a church yard ,by a cemetery for his St. Augustine solve. Does that sound reasonable? Does it go against the rules?
The rules don’t say it can’t be on private property.

I don’t think John Frasers’ father contributed to the book nor was he a friend or family. I asked this before. How would anyone know who the friends are in these restrictions ? are they good friends ,bad friends ,social acquaintances ? Exactly who? They could have a million friends like on Facebook. A bit far fetched but you know what I mean.

Yes FOY in the back pages could be a clue for FOY park. The book was designed for teenagers. Brains not fully developed.
I’m sure if BP told you exactly where it was buried most would disregard it and look elsewhere. Why not rub it in your face.Like a big porthole in Boston. Keep it Simple.
I like your line… “ No way Byron would have people pay admission to a private business in order to dig up a casque “
That’s exactly what people did when they bought the book in the first place, ( Byron’s private treasure hunt business. Price of admission is you have to buy the book., you get the casque/ jewel if your lucky, he gets the proceeds from the book sales).

[choice]

Flower bed by the base? Where did you pull that info from? Old pictures show a bordered box on each side with no flowers. More like planter boxes. And those pictures are only about 15 to 20 yrs old. Who knows what it looked like in the 80s. A dirt box 40 yrs ago may've turned into flower box multiple times during the last 40 years and now just abandoned. As to cemetery, as long as you are outside of the cemetery fence then you are outside of a cemetery.
There are a lot of parks next to cemeteries. Foy is next to cemetery. Armstrong park is next to cemetery in NOLA.
Chicago was next to railway BUT separated by fencing so hardly unsafe.

[diceycat]

Choice, I’m not saying your theory is wrong.
You could be right, that’s what I’m trying to get at. All those restrictions are just hints as to the general location of the casques like you just pointed out.
I don’t see National Parks ruled out even though most think they should be . BP was the mastermind and the mindset back then was different than today.
Here is the definition of a flower bed. It’s just an “area”, could be in a planter box  on top of a bldg.as long as it has a flower in it
When is a flower bed not a flower bed? When you don’t see a flower in it? “ Can you dig it”.

[choice]

I just hope you understand the difference between a dirt box vs a flower bed. A dirt box could become a flower bed and a flower bed could become a dirt box.
It all depends on what was the condition of the box/planter then. The same with Cleveland planter.
The disclaimer says do not dig in a cemetery NOT outside of a cemetery or next to one.
Do not dig/probe at or by the railroad track so you don't get killed by a train NOT in a park next to tracks.
Do not dig/probe by a highway that you could get killed by a car NOT a park next to a highway.
It's really simple to figure out what a dangerous condition is.
We really don't need Merriam Webster Dictionary to dissect every single word to understand the rules.

[diceycat]

Listen, I agree with you .
Not sure what I’m missing in trying to convey my message.
My statement about the flower bed is that if there are no flowers present( like the end of a season and the flowers are gone), then it’s no longer a flower bed and you can dig there. BP is concerned about the flowers getting damaged.
Agree, a casque is not in a cemetery but close by a cemetery for some of the puzzles . So BP is giving you a restriction “ not in a cemetery “ For me, the subtle hint is “Cemetery” , therefore a casque is buried close by a cemetery (at least for a couple of the puzzles).
All those restrictions are just extra clues to a casque location.
There is a casque close by an active railway track ( Chicago, Houston).
I like to use the dictionary and maybe others do, so I put it out there.