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Post by Jenny on Jul 10, 2019 7:01:35 GMT -5
In the following Video by the FlipSide, Minotaur Moreno mentions different meanings to Forrest's comment of 'Get back in the box'-- . (MW Featured Q: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-and-weekly-words-from-forrest-fenn-get-back-in-the-box/). Mr. Fenn,
I am not even close to solving your riddle. I’ve tried for months and nothing works. I am not asking for a clue to the treasure, I’m asking for a clue to the clues. Please help me. ~Mary.
Dear Mz. Mary, The solve is difficult for many searchers because their minds think the clues are tougher to decrypt than they really are.
Some say they are trying to think outside the box, as if the solution lies somewhere out there.
Until now I have resisted telling them to get back in the box where their thoughts are comfortable and flow more easily.
The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can best adjust. To illustrate my point go to YouTube – Smarter Every Day. f
. One of the suggestions was that 'Get back in the Box' was a literal meaning--- such 'get back in Box Canyon or Ice box Canyon in Yellowstone..(and many others)... . What do you think Forrest meant by his use of 'Get Back in the Box'? .
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Post by Jenny on Jul 10, 2019 7:29:24 GMT -5
Forrest has used the term 'box' many times.... however in connection to his answer to MW's FQ, it seems to relate to how searchers are thinking....
Out of the Box thinking is to think of something with a new perspective twist or creative way.....
Even though Forrest has mentioned Imagination is important, it seems to me Forrest is saying... don't go overboard with it.......
If you look at what was going on at the time, so many searchers were offering some too far out there meanings and methods to understanding his poem.
The Q was asked in 2016, after we know searchers have 'solved two clues'.... Was Forrest suggesting 'get back in the box and begin considering the less extreme imaginative meanings..... and suggesting maybe go back to the ones which early searchers had....
From my experience, it seems in many Treasure Hunts, when they go unsolved for awhile, searchers feel the answer requires 'extreme thinking'. But when the solution becomes known, it is realized it just required seeing the obvious in a different light.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 10, 2019 12:29:57 GMT -5
Hi Jenny: totally agree with your take on it. There is a "Goldilocks" level of imagination/thinking required: unconventional (or at least, somewhat unexpected), but not outrageously far afield or convoluted. I think Forrest was editorializing somewhat on the way-out-in-left-field solutions that searchers were offering up. Further supporting this interpretation was Forrest's suggestion to simplify on Nightline early last year:
"Well, I will give you a clue -- try to simplify if you can. That's good advice."
But don't simplify too much:
"There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure, Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues..."
A quote that is often attributed to Einstein (but is probably just a paraphrasal of his scientific approach) addresses this "sweet spot" of complexity: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
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Post by Jenny on Jul 10, 2019 18:04:29 GMT -5
While I actually really like the literal clue idea--- as it being a hint towards looking for something with 'Box' in its name, I hesitate a lot because I feel Forrest would not want to risk 'giving such a clue'.....
He had to know searchers would look into his words and come up with all type of scenarios......... and so I have to ask, 'would he really want to give such a direct clue?'
I have to say 'no'....
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Post by stonerolledaway on Jul 10, 2019 22:05:30 GMT -5
One of the first things Minotaur and Sean discussed was the belief that many of Forrest's words can have multiple meanings. So could "Get back in the box" be taken both literally and figuratively? Literal as hinting toward something with 'box' in its name, like Ice Box Canyon (even though I agree that would be a pretty bold hint), or figuratively as Jenny mentioned, don't go crazy with over the top, 'out of the box' thinking. One other possibility I consider- multiple different meanings of box. Box = chest, container, basket, chamber, enclosure, cage, vault, storeroom, lodge, basement, belly (gut?), deep water, hotspot. A few of these words I have heard Forrest use before.
"some say they are trying to think outside the box, as if the solution lies somewhere out there..." does that mean that the solution really lies somewhere in there (in the box)?
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Post by seannm on Jul 11, 2019 14:52:07 GMT -5
All,
I believe it was a good discussion between Minotaur Moreno and I. We were able to look at both sides of the potential meaning behind Forrest's "get back in the box" mention, that being the literal and figurative. I personally lean more with the figurative meaning that we are going too far outside of that which Forrest has said is excellent research materials: TTOTC, google earth and/or a good map. And that we need to get back in that box, or as Minotaur states it: the basics.
One thing I had mentioned is that Forrest says that we need to "get back in the box" not "get in the box". Which to me may hint at the fact that at one time us searchers were in the box with our thinking or methodology to solving this prior to him making that statement. So what was that box that we were in? I'm of the opinion, and I believe so was Minotaur, that the box is simply TTOTC. Now as a poem purist I tend to be more attuned to the poem itself rather than searching for the subtle hints that only help one with the clues.
Seannm
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Post by heidini on Jul 11, 2019 15:06:55 GMT -5
One of the first things Minotaur and Sean discussed was the belief that many of Forrest's words can have multiple meanings. So could "Get back in the box" be taken both literally and figuratively? Literal as hinting toward something with 'box' in its name, like Ice Box Canyon (even though I agree that would be a pretty bold hint), or figuratively as Jenny mentioned, don't go crazy with over the top, 'out of the box' thinking. One other possibility I consider- multiple different meanings of box. Box = chest, container, basket, chamber, enclosure, cage, vault, storeroom, lodge, basement, belly (gut?), deep water, hotspot. A few of these words I have heard Forrest use before. "some say they are trying to think outside the box, as if the solution lies somewhere out there..." does that mean that the solution really lies somewhere in there (in the box)? Hi, stonerolledaway. What about box... wood? Boxwood. How often have we heard border(s) and edges and ideas of immortality like 100 years,1000 years. It may not get us closer to the chest but I thought it was interesting. Legends and traditions: the Boxwood, because of its slow growth, its big longevity, and its persistent leaves, was a symbol of immortality. With its wood, the Greeks and the Romans made tablets to write. The Christians make bless boxwood branching, the Palm Sunday and keep it near a crucifix. Uses: its very hard, yellow wood, fine-grained, is wanted for making pipes, musical instruments and engraving. A curative extract serves for cleaning the blood. The Boxwood is planted in the "French-style" gardens because it is tolerant to pruning and in art topiary, its growth is slow and its persistent foliage assures a continuity of landscape throughout the year (what would not be case with a charming hedge). The Boxwood with borders, Buxus sempervirens ' Suffruticosus ', is a dwarf variety of the common Boxwood. It is used to make edges of 40 cm high, regularly pruned. It was made fashionable in classical times, although the drawing of the gardens remained inspired of embroidered costumes of the Middle Ages or Renaissance!
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Post by minotaurmoreno on Jul 11, 2019 22:05:41 GMT -5
I just really want to thank Sean for letting me come on his show and let me give my opinions knowing going in that we disagree on some things, but both are willing to hear the other’s perspective and see if we can be persuaded by that person’s argument or not.
After watching it back, overall, I’m happy with how it turned out and believe both of us conveyed what we were trying to say. Obviously, there are parts I cringe at what I say, wish I would have said something more concise, see exactly right when my mind starts moving so fast that my mouth has a hard time keeping up and is embarrassing, but I’m still happy I did it.
All the best everybody and someone find this chest already!
mm (Justin)
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Post by seannm on Jul 12, 2019 18:12:36 GMT -5
All,
If there are any of you here on Mysterious Writings that would like to be a guest on “The Flip Side” and discuss whatever you would like to discuss with the community, send me an email and let’s set something up.
Seannm@hotmail.com
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Post by npsbuilder on Jul 12, 2019 21:33:08 GMT -5
My guess is that the "box" ff is referring to are the contents inside the chest. The contents within it are the key to finding its location.
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Post by stonerolledaway on Jul 12, 2019 23:24:55 GMT -5
One of the first things Minotaur and Sean discussed was the belief that many of Forrest's words can have multiple meanings. So could "Get back in the box" be taken both literally and figuratively? Literal as hinting toward something with 'box' in its name, like Ice Box Canyon (even though I agree that would be a pretty bold hint), or figuratively as Jenny mentioned, don't go crazy with over the top, 'out of the box' thinking. One other possibility I consider- multiple different meanings of box. Box = chest, container, basket, chamber, enclosure, cage, vault, storeroom, lodge, basement, belly (gut?), deep water, hotspot. A few of these words I have heard Forrest use before. "some say they are trying to think outside the box, as if the solution lies somewhere out there..." does that mean that the solution really lies somewhere in there (in the box)? Hi, stonerolledaway. What about box... wood? Boxwood. How often have we heard border(s) and edges and ideas of immortality like 100 years,1000 years. It may not get us closer to the chest but I thought it was interesting. Legends and traditions: the Boxwood, because of its slow growth, its big longevity, and its persistent leaves, was a symbol of immortality. With its wood, the Greeks and the Romans made tablets to write. The Christians make bless boxwood branching, the Palm Sunday and keep it near a crucifix. Uses: its very hard, yellow wood, fine-grained, is wanted for making pipes, musical instruments and engraving. A curative extract serves for cleaning the blood. The Boxwood is planted in the "French-style" gardens because it is tolerant to pruning and in art topiary, its growth is slow and its persistent foliage assures a continuity of landscape throughout the year (what would not be case with a charming hedge). The Boxwood with borders, Buxus sempervirens ' Suffruticosus ', is a dwarf variety of the common Boxwood. It is used to make edges of 40 cm high, regularly pruned. It was made fashionable in classical times, although the drawing of the gardens remained inspired of embroidered costumes of the Middle Ages or Renaissance! Hi Heidini, Boxwood... I didn't think of that, but I like it. Longevity, immortality, edges, solid, hard wood. Used for storage boxes and makes good chess pieces. Used to make parts for string instruments (like cello tuning pegs, perhaps). Good stuff. For some reason, when I read some of your posts, I picture Forrest browsing through the forums and saying to himself, 'this gal is dangerous' - you seem to me to have a lot of good thoughts and insights.
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Post by astree on Jul 13, 2019 8:57:15 GMT -5
Of course, there is the metsphorical use of “the box”. In addition, .I think forrest may have had something in mind, relevant to the treasure site.
As two other interpretations...
BOTH EX is an anagram of “the box” (as in, where lines CROSS)
and since forrest added the “thoughts FLOW more easily”... in thE Box is EB...”EB and FLOW” is a phrase associated with water, and also used metaphorically.
Does forrest, a maverick, think in or out of, the box?
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Post by kk on Jul 13, 2019 9:08:11 GMT -5
The poem is a box of sorts, having 4 corners. And it would make sense for him to tell us to get back "in" it, as it contains all the info we need.
The four corners from top to bottom then left to right and bottom to top: AIDE (ring any bells?) or IDEA if rearranged. I think if a person is in the correct general search area, that could be an important confirmation.
Just a thought.
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Post by astree on Jul 13, 2019 9:39:25 GMT -5
Agreed, kk. I believe foorest can say many things with a few words. A DIE?
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Post by heidini on Jul 13, 2019 9:43:17 GMT -5
Hi Heidini, Boxwood... I didn't think of that, but I like it. Longevity, immortality, edges, solid, hard wood. Used for storage boxes and makes good chess pieces. Used to make parts for string instruments (like cello tuning pegs, perhaps). Good stuff. For some reason, when I read some of your posts, I picture Forrest browsing through the forums and saying to himself, 'this gal is dangerous' - you seem to me to have a lot of good thoughts and insights. Lol- you made me smile with the “cello tuning pegs” and immediately I thought of the f- holes. 😂😂😂 I guess in the realm of The Chase, being dangerous is good. But, as Forrest once said, “It seems logical to me that a deep thinking treasure searcher could use logic to determine an important clue to the location of the treasure. Is someone doing that now and I don’t know it? It’s not what they say on the blogs that may be significant, it’s what they whisper.”
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