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Post by crm114 on Jan 10, 2020 17:51:54 GMT -5
Gift for all: look at the windshield and passenger side window in the TTOTC illustration in the "Teachers With Ropes" chapter. Consider mirrors, for instance the one Forrest trashed on his Cherokee in a recent SB. Searchers can opine all they want, but that illustration was doctored by Forrest, and those letters were NOT there when Allen Polt was done. I love stuff like this. I have stared at this drawing quite a bit. I am not sure I am picking up on what you are. It definitely looks like there are small letters / numbers up where the passenger side visor would be, but some are really hard to make out. I'm not convinced this is necessarily an Allen Polt drawing, though I have no idea what his style is. There are several possible "F" s in the drawing: - The teacher appears to wear an "F" earring. - She seems to have an F in her hair - The little girl next to her has an F in the back tie of her dress. Fenn has been showing off a little more sketch talent than the doodles lately. Could it be his? |
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Post by Jenny on Feb 6, 2020 9:19:27 GMT -5
Just for reference..... during researching other things came across this on Illustration on page 146 and thought I'd add it here: dalneitzel.com/2013/04/04/the-nine-clues-part-twentytwo/#comment-21187
Anyone care to give an opinion on the drawing on page 146 of the man with an axe, the tree stumps as far as you can see and the bird in the moon? Is there a story, or poem that fits this scene? My original thought was, well that guy wanted to chop down that bird’s tree and he chopped every tree down and the bird just made his nest in the moon. Kind of a fruitless effort. However, the man looks somewhat content. The bird appears to be a dove? dove = peace? The man although he is wielding an axe isn’t dressed like a lumberjack. He looks like he has fishing waders on to me but maybe I’m just seeing that because it’s time to go fishing.dal
on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 pm said:
Stu:
I’ve talked with Forrest about that illustration. He told me that it was simply a comment about loss of wild lands and habitat for wild animals…nothing more. I know he has another illustration in similar character in his new book and it has the same meaning. I think searchers often times WAY overwork the possibility of clues in the book. But then…I have not yet found it either… |
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Post by brianu on Feb 6, 2020 11:18:51 GMT -5
I don't think it has hidden meaning for tc hunting. But I do think it has to do with destructive of resources, deforestation, ect. Interesting about the peace dove, didn't notice that.
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Post by edgewalker on Feb 23, 2020 22:38:50 GMT -5
Just for reference..... during researching other things came across this on Illustration on page 146 and thought I'd add it here: dalneitzel.com/2013/04/04/the-nine-clues-part-twentytwo/#comment-21187
Anyone care to give an opinion on the drawing on page 146 of the man with an axe, the tree stumps as far as you can see and the bird in the moon? Is there a story, or poem that fits this scene? My original thought was, well that guy wanted to chop down that bird’s tree and he chopped every tree down and the bird just made his nest in the moon. Kind of a fruitless effort. However, the man looks somewhat content. The bird appears to be a dove? dove = peace? The man although he is wielding an axe isn’t dressed like a lumberjack. He looks like he has fishing waders on to me but maybe I’m just seeing that because it’s time to go fishing.dal
on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 pm said:
Stu:
I’ve talked with Forrest about that illustration. He told me that it was simply a comment about loss of wild lands and habitat for wild animals…nothing more. I know he has another illustration in similar character in his new book and it has the same meaning. I think searchers often times WAY overwork the possibility of clues in the book. But then…I have not yet found it either…I think the picture means Forrest has been removed from a story. He is now just an asterick in a story that was never written. I think his autobiography will fill in the details. |
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Post by Jenny on Feb 25, 2020 12:08:36 GMT -5
Gift for all: look at the windshield and passenger side window in the TTOTC illustration in the "Teachers With Ropes" chapter. Consider mirrors, for instance the one Forrest trashed on his Cherokee in a recent SB. Searchers can opine all they want, but that illustration was doctored by Forrest, and those letters were NOT there when Allen Polt was done. How do you know it was doctored by Forrest? Do we have an original image before doctoring? And are you referring to the WY?  |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Feb 25, 2020 22:12:36 GMT -5
Gift for all: look at the windshield and passenger side window in the TTOTC illustration in the "Teachers With Ropes" chapter. Consider mirrors, for instance the one Forrest trashed on his Cherokee in a recent SB. Searchers can opine all they want, but that illustration was doctored by Forrest, and those letters were NOT there when Allen Polt was done. How do you know it was doctored by Forrest? Do we have an original image before doctoring? And are you referring to the WY? Hi Jenny: you've noticed the passenger side of the front windshield. Look around the side to the passenger's window. There is a backwards P. The front has the Y and N. :-) |
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Post by Jenny on Feb 26, 2020 10:56:09 GMT -5
How do you know it was doctored by Forrest? Do we have an original image before doctoring? And are you referring to the WY? Hi Jenny: you've noticed the passenger side of the front windshield. Look around the side to the passenger's window. There is a backwards P. The front has the Y and N. :-) We don't know if they are intentionally made? I saw WY (which would fit nice with the YNP)..... and I like the idea..... but has Forrest said he doctored it? We have other images with 'words' or 'images'.....are they intentional too? Some examples?   |
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 26, 2020 11:34:55 GMT -5
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Post by me9 on Feb 26, 2020 12:13:46 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Fenn, There is talk on the chatter boards that you photoshopped some of the pictures in your TTOTC book. Care to settle that question once and for all? Ollie Ollie, I have not photoshopped anything because I don’t know how, and never had a reason to learn. On page 64 of TTOTC our book designer put Skippy in the driver’s seat of his car. She searched my photo collection and found just the right one. I watched her size it and was amazed at the process. It proved once again that I’m not yet ready for the 20th century. A few photos were cropped and some were enlarged, but that’s about it, except for the collage on page 133, which was her idea. f mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-photoshop-mysteries/ |
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 26, 2020 13:06:02 GMT -5
Forrest may have simply "embellished" drawings and not considered it photoshopping because 1.) they weren't photos and 2.) it wasn't done on a computer. In his response he refers to photos and not drawings.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Feb 26, 2020 14:34:51 GMT -5
Hi Jenny: Forrest would of course never admit to such a thing. We know he doesn't Photoshop, nor could he instruct Susan to do so on his behalf without tipping her off. But adding a few innocuous-looking lines to an illustration here or there would present no technical difficulty for Forrest. "Illustration purists" will argue that Allen Polt would notice if Forrest had done so, but would Allen notice something that minor? Does he even retain originals against which he could compare?
There is one person who might be able to check: Nelika. She has many (all?) of the original Bodelson and Polt illustrations from TFTW and TTOTC, respectively. I say "might" because even if her originals are the same as what ended up in the book, it doesn't mean that's the way they appeared when they were handed off to Forrest. However, we ARE privy to the fact that the illustration she has from page 8 of TFTW is NOT the same. Not only is hers mirror-reversed, there is an arcing line (with perhaps a lure on the end?) above the boat in her version that is absent from the illustration in the book.
If Nelika does indeed have the "Teachers with Ropes" illustration of the kids crossing the road, I highly doubt the windshield and window scribbles are absent: that would be no different than giving a private hint to a searcher. Still, if *I* was the owner of these originals, I'd be doing a very detailed comparison with the books to see what changes, if any, were added or removed. I find it a little surprising that Nelika didn't highlight the differences herself in her eBay auction of the TFTW illustration a couple weeks ago.
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 26, 2020 14:40:26 GMT -5
Hi Jenny: Forrest would of course never admit to such a thing. We know he doesn't Photoshop, nor could he instruct Susan to do so on his behalf without tipping her off. But adding a few innocuous-looking lines to an illustration here or there would present no technical difficulty for Forrest. "Illustration purists" will argue that Allen Polt would notice if Forrest had done so, but would Allen notice something that minor? Does he even retain originals against which he could compare? There is one person who might be able to check: Nelika. She has many (all?) of the original Bodelson and Polt illustrations from TFTW and TTOTC, respectively. I say "might" because even if her originals are the same as what ended up in the book, it doesn't mean that's the way they appeared when they were handed off to Forrest. However, we ARE privy to the fact that the illustration she has from page 8 of TFTW is NOT the same. Not only is hers mirror-reversed, there is an arcing line (with perhaps a lure on the end?) above the boat in her version that is absent from the illustration in the book. If Nelika does indeed have the "Teachers with Ropes" illustration of the kids crossing the road, I highly doubt the windshield and window scribbles are absent: that would be no different than giving a private hint to a searcher. Still, if *I* was the owner of these originals, I'd be doing a very detailed comparison with the books to see what changes, if any, were added or removed. I find it a little surprising that Nelika didn't highlight the differences herself in her eBay auction of the TFTW illustration a couple weeks ago. Hi Zap, aren't images reversed in the printmaking process automatically? |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Feb 26, 2020 15:00:32 GMT -5
Hi Goldilocks -- well if they were, then photographs would clearly show this: cars driving on the wrong side of the road, signs with backwards writing, etc. With illustrations it might be harder to know which is "right" and which is "wrong." Clearly the milk truck illustration on pages 40-41 of TFTW isn't reversed (either that, or "Grade A Milk" was written backwards). Same goes for the F-4 and P-51 illustrations on page 7, and the book with "MUSTANG" on its cover on page 110.
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Post by Jenny on Feb 26, 2020 15:54:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure we can confirm whether those lines are intentional or coincidental......
The question has to be asked, where does one draw the line?-- as in so many little things like that could be found by use of some imagination, but some are most likely unintended......
who is to say which ones?
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 26, 2020 16:16:21 GMT -5
Zap,
I meant original drawings like lithographs and block prints, not photos. When reproduced the image is reversed. Wasn't sure if Polt's drawings were just pen and ink or how they were reproduced for the book.
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