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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 9, 2019 12:41:04 GMT -5
OR The A Team...
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Post by ironwill on Aug 9, 2019 13:51:54 GMT -5
I wanna be Templeton "Faceman" Peck! He gets all the women.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 10, 2019 0:28:48 GMT -5
I love it when a plan comes together...
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Post by Jenny on Aug 10, 2019 6:53:34 GMT -5
What a great thread...... it is showing all the different aspects that must work together for finding the chest......
I think maybe there should also be a 'revolving newbie' in the group.... ( once in awhile he will need replaced with another newbie)....
The reason being to keep reminding those working on the hunt of those 'first thoughts'....
It's interesting to note, it seemed it was those 'first thoughts' of someone who has been closest to the chest......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 9:19:07 GMT -5
What a great thread...... it is showing all the different aspects that must work together for finding the chest...... I think maybe there should also be a 'revolving newbie' in the group.... ( once in awhile he will need replaced with another newbie).... The reason being to keep reminding those working on the hunt of those 'first thoughts'.... It's interesting to note, it seemed it was those 'first thoughts' of someone who has been closest to the chest...... This is right on target. In my experience, the best way to benefit from the fresh thoughts of others was to go back to the very early days of the puzzle, and in particular, to review the early posts on Tweleve: tweleve.org/new-hunts-rumors/26220-hunt-%242-million-treasure.htmlThe early sharpshooter seems to have been wvtrovergirl. Jenny (sixer13) and astree both appear around the same time.
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Post by npsbuilder on Aug 10, 2019 19:20:38 GMT -5
Good point - maybe we need very imaginative people in our imaginary 'council'. Children? It's like the song for the TV series MASH. Was written by a child because the person that was asked to do it didn't have the Imagination to get it done the way he was asked to and that was to make it the "stupidest song ever written"... I came across this a 4 or 5 months ago and always had it in the back of my mind and associated this to what ff says about giving it to a child. Link below details what I am talking about. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Is_Painless
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Post by npsbuilder on Aug 10, 2019 19:30:27 GMT -5
There's already been a band of nerdy computer jocks (from MIT, I seem to recall) who tried to program a computer to come up with the correct solution. Didn't work. The team should be diverse so the band of nerdy computer jocks were at a disadvantage from the start. A group of individuals with no preconceived notions as Jenny said, a completely Fenn-neutral group (the way jurors are chosen), would be ideal, composed of right brain and left brain thinkers, a fisherman, a pilot, a poet, an archeologist, an artist, a businessman, an entrepreneur, a dreamer. Sounds like a cast for a movie or tv show to me! You just basically described every character from MASH TV series and runs parallels with ff down to the suicide scene from the movie, his favorite soda, the hands in the pictures that looks to be photo shopped, RADAR O'Riley, the white hair bands in his little girls hair and much much more.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Aug 11, 2019 2:03:10 GMT -5
Well, y'all can create your council of the wise. But what this thread tells me is that a lot of searchers lack confidence in their ability to find the chest, and need help. Which does not surprise me. But I thought TTOTC was supposed to give searchers hints to solving the poem. Hasn't that worked? Apparently not. So I'm glad I stayed with the poem and didn't waste a lot of research effort on that book … Drifter:I still think that without the book, you can have no confidence in your solution(s). Suppose Forrest's goal all along has been for someone to find it in his lifetime -- but not to find it right away. He couldn't risk making the poem too easy to solve, and since he didn't confide in others, he had no way of knowing how hard it would be. Safest course of action: make it as close to unsolvable as possible and monitor progress. If people are clueless after a year or so, slowly tweak the difficulty downward by providing more information: Not restricted to New Mexico; but then Canada, Idaho and Utah later excluded; altitude constraints; retrieval time constraints; no dams, graveyards, tunnels, caves or mines; not in a desert; not near the Rio Grande; no precipice climbing; no need to remove large rocks; not in a dangerous place. You see the pattern. He's not giving away the answer, but he is increasingly constraining it.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 11, 2019 6:28:46 GMT -5
Well, y'all can create your council of the wise. But what this thread tells me is that a lot of searchers lack confidence in their ability to find the chest, and need help. Which does not surprise me. But I thought TTOTC was supposed to give searchers hints to solving the poem. Hasn't that worked? Apparently not. So I'm glad I stayed with the poem and didn't waste a lot of research effort on that book … Taking a brief break from cracking clues to consider other ways of cracking clues is part of my method of cracking clues. Imagining helps me decompress if nothing else, but appreciate this is at least one step removed from the task in hand. There are plenty of now solved treasure hunts I doubt I could have solved if i'd worked on them for 40 years, so yes, I'm not confident at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 7:51:08 GMT -5
Well, y'all can create your council of the wise. But what this thread tells me is that a lot of searchers lack confidence in their ability to find the chest, and need help. Which does not surprise me. But I thought TTOTC was supposed to give searchers hints to solving the poem. Hasn't that worked? Apparently not. So I'm glad I stayed with the poem and didn't waste a lot of research effort on that book … Drifter:I still think that without the book, you can have no confidence in your solution(s). Suppose Forrest's goal all along has been for someone to find it in his lifetime -- but not to find it right away. He couldn't risk making the poem too easy to solve, and since he didn't confide in others, he had no way of knowing how hard it would be. Safest course of action: make it as close to unsolvable as possible and monitor progress. If people are clueless after a year or so, slowly tweak the difficulty downward by providing more information: Not restricted to New Mexico; but then Canada, Idaho and Utah later excluded; altitude constraints; retrieval time constraints; no dams, graveyards, tunnels, caves or mines; not in a desert; not near the Rio Grande; no precipice climbing; no need to remove large rocks; not in a dangerous place. You see the pattern. He's not giving away the answer, but he is increasingly constraining it. Zap- This kind of strategy has been employed in earlier treasure hunts. Two examples: The puzzle contained in David Blaine's Mysterious Stranger was designed by Cliff Johnson, arguably the most talented game designer in recent memory. He went so far as to participate actively on the principal website devoted to the puzzle, but he ultimately signed off in frustration shortly before the puzzle was solved because a number of posters became obnoxious and disrespectful. For Fandango fans, the Stockwell brothers seem to have drawn some inspiration from Cliff's work; some features of the puzzle seem to give him a bit of a nod. Finally, Jenny did a very nice Six Questions with Cliff some time ago. When no one appeared to be getting anywhere with Maranatha et in Arcadia Ego, it was followed by a companion book designed to help. This failed, and Duncan Burden, who presumably was behind the design of the puzzle, began dropping various hints on line. This failed as well, and no satisfactory solution was ever described. This strategy obviously has potential pitfalls. If the puzzle is "brittle," one subtle clue too many can open up the floodgates leading to a solve. I'm reminded of an old post about this: Designing a puzzle that is almost impossible but still possible is almost impossible but still possible
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 11, 2019 8:44:53 GMT -5
Well, y'all can create your council of the wise. But what this thread tells me is that a lot of searchers lack confidence in their ability to find the chest, and need help. Which does not surprise me. But I thought TTOTC was supposed to give searchers hints to solving the poem. Hasn't that worked? Apparently not. So I'm glad I stayed with the poem and didn't waste a lot of research effort on that book … May I remind you of Forrest's words on the inside flap of the TTOTC dust jacket, "Unlock the clues that are scattered among these pages and you can go home with a bronze chest...". I would argue that sticking with just the poem hasn't been any more fruitful that I can see.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 11, 2019 9:37:48 GMT -5
Mysterious Stranger was one example well beyond my abilities.
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 11, 2019 9:37:56 GMT -5
The team should be diverse so the band of nerdy computer jocks were at a disadvantage from the start. A group of individuals with no preconceived notions as Jenny said, a completely Fenn-neutral group (the way jurors are chosen), would be ideal, composed of right brain and left brain thinkers, a fisherman, a pilot, a poet, an archeologist, an artist, a businessman, an entrepreneur, a dreamer. Sounds like a cast for a movie or tv show to me! You just basically described every character from MASH TV series and runs parallels with ff down to the suicide scene from the movie, his favorite soda, the hands in the pictures that looks to be photo shopped, RADAR O'Riley, the white hair bands in his little girls hair and much much more. hmmm and the asterisk...M*A*S*H
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Post by Jenny on Aug 11, 2019 14:52:56 GMT -5
Drifter:I still think that without the book, you can have no confidence in your solution(s). Suppose Forrest's goal all along has been for someone to find it in his lifetime -- but not to find it right away. He couldn't risk making the poem too easy to solve, and since he didn't confide in others, he had no way of knowing how hard it would be. Safest course of action: make it as close to unsolvable as possible and monitor progress. If people are clueless after a year or so, slowly tweak the difficulty downward by providing more information: Not restricted to New Mexico; but then Canada, Idaho and Utah later excluded; altitude constraints; retrieval time constraints; no dams, graveyards, tunnels, caves or mines; not in a desert; not near the Rio Grande; no precipice climbing; no need to remove large rocks; not in a dangerous place. You see the pattern. He's not giving away the answer, but he is increasingly constraining it. Zap- This kind of strategy has been employed in earlier treasure hunts. Two examples: The puzzle contained in David Blaine's Mysterious Stranger was designed by Cliff Johnson, arguably the most talented game designer in recent memory. He went so far as to participate actively on the principal website devoted to the puzzle, but he ultimately signed off in frustration shortly before the puzzle was solved because a number of posters became obnoxious and disrespectful. For Fandango fans, the Stockwell brothers seem to have drawn some inspiration from Cliff's work; some features of the puzzle seem to give him a bit of a nod. Finally, Jenny did a very nice Six Questions with Cliff some time ago. When no one appeared to be getting anywhere with Maranatha et in Arcadia Ego, it was followed by a companion book designed to help. This failed, and Duncan Burden, who presumably was behind the design of the puzzle, began dropping various hints on line. This failed as well, and no satisfactory solution was ever described. This strategy obviously has potential pitfalls. If the puzzle is "brittle," one subtle clue too many can open up the floodgates leading to a solve. I'm reminded of an old post about this: Designing a puzzle that is almost impossible but still possible is almost impossible but still possible love that! And so very true.....
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Post by zaphod73491 on Aug 11, 2019 14:56:35 GMT -5
Hi Ralph: in the past I've compared Forrest's subtle-clue-dropping to Richard Feynman's description of Louis Slotin's "demon core" experiments at Los Alamos: "Tickling the dragon's tail." In each case, going too far leads to a runaway chain reaction.
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