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Post by earthshaker42 on Apr 8, 2020 13:48:40 GMT -5
I don't recall Fenn ever saying you couldn't see the blaze from GE. I know he said you couldn't see the chest ("Because GE doesn't go down that far") If I recall correctly, he declined to answer if you could see the blaze from GE or not. If you feel the last clue is the Blaze, then Forrest mentions that here: mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-double-charmed/Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.I am not sure why this thinking / logic is not applied to the girl from India. Maybe it has and I have just missed it? He says "Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues." Then says you need to be BOTG to solve it. Then says GE will not help with the last clue. If those are three different thoughts, then there could be a BOTG requirement before getting to the last clue.
Having to have BOTG (Forrest's goal from the start) would mean every armchair solve for the first few clues would then have to be ground proofed to find the next clue. That clue can only be solved BOTG. If you think about how long it takes to find a good WWWH and the next few clues on GE, it might take at least that long to find and match up the next clue to a spot while BOTG. You may have to spend several days just looking for the next location to your solve. This would put a big break on the speed of solving the clues and force people to get out into the mountains. His reference to putting a chest on the east coast supports the idea that he wants people outside.
But then of course a logical deep thinker might solve BOTG clues it without going BOTG?
Anyway just thoughts.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 8, 2020 14:42:29 GMT -5
He says "Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues." Then says you need to be BOTG to solve it. Then says GE will not help with the last clue. If those are three different thoughts, then there could be a BOTG requirement before getting to the last clue.
Yes I think it's likely we need to be BOTG to solve the last 7 clues. Hopefully we will know before we go what we are looking for but only will see exactly what/where it is once on the ground. I'd be curious to know if people who think they've solved clues 3 and 4 know exactly where it is on a map or if they need to be BOTG to pinpoint it. |
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Post by ironwill on Apr 8, 2020 15:42:41 GMT -5
I am not sure why this thinking / logic is not applied to the girl from India. Maybe it has and I have just missed it? He says "Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues." Then says you need to be BOTG to solve it. Then says GE will not help with the last clue. If those are three different thoughts, then there could be a BOTG requirement before getting to the last clue.
Hey, I just wanted to touch on something in Forrest's answer to that question. Earthshaker implied there "COULD" be a BOTG requirement before getting to the last clue. This is true, there could be. But if Forrest said, Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the last clue, he would be severely crippling his poem's longevity. This means all the way up to the last clue, you could find from home. That means "titled" locations for each clue. Now to be honest...I believe this is the case already due to Forrest telling everyone this... I warned the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did. This tells you that you can get to the treasure spot before BOTG. That coupled with the multicolored response above logically lends credence to the distinct possibility that you can solve all but the last 1 or 2 clues from home, with the last one or two relying on a physical presence. I believe he only mentioned the first few clues with the rocking chair comment, so as to not be too specific as to pigeonhole the way we solve it. No one would go out and explore if he just came out and said you can solve it all from home then go and get it.
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Post by brianu on Apr 8, 2020 15:48:08 GMT -5
I went botg and learned nearly every rock in Wyoming or Montana is 10x10x5 and brown. Gonna take awhile checking
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 8, 2020 20:09:10 GMT -5
If you can only solve the first 2 or 3 clues from home, then why would Forrest even write that ALL of the clues could "theoretically" be solved from home? Wouldn't that be a strongly misleading statement if you really have to be BOTG to see later clues in person? He has said multiple times that he has never misled searchers, no subterfuge, etc. If you have to be BOTG to solve the majority of the clues, why not just say so? After all, he claims his goal was to get folks out in nature. Why give even the impression that it could all be solved from home? It goes entirely against his stated goal.
So for years it's been my contention that it CAN all be solved from home, and as such I never go BOTG without a complete solution. How else can the eventual finder go confidently right to the treasure chest location with a smile on their face? That's not going to happen if they show up at WWWH with a furrowed brow, looking every which way, trying to solve the rest of the clues.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 8, 2020 20:47:56 GMT -5
“All of them in theory not likely in practice” to me means you will have a good idea of what you are looking for before you go but you need to be on location to see what you need to find exactly. Using the David Blaine “routes” as an example, you have an idea you are looking for a root but don’t know until you get there which tree or bush it could be under.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 8, 2020 21:07:32 GMT -5
Hi Goldilocks: I'm good with your analogy -- if not taken to extremes. Specifically, the root in question represented the end game in Blaine's challenge (as opposed to the 3rd clue in a string of 6 more to follow.) So the analogous situation in Fenn's challenge would be having a good idea of what you're looking for (provided by the poem), but it corresponds to the 8th or 9th clue, not the 3rd or 4th.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 8, 2020 21:21:55 GMT -5
Hi Zap, I suppose it depends on how closely the answers to the clues are situated. I would agree with you if they were spread out over hundreds of yards or miles but if they are for the most part in close proximity to each other (excluding the first 2 clues/landmarks) then I would say a searcher may need to be on location to find the markers. All speculation of course.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 9, 2020 0:01:54 GMT -5
Hi Goldilocks: just remember if the clues are *too* physically close together, it becomes possible to solve them out of order (which Forrest doesn't think is possible).
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 9, 2020 9:35:19 GMT -5
Hi Goldilocks: just remember if the clues are *too* physically close together, it becomes possible to solve them out of order (which Forrest doesn't think is possible). True. He also said that if you were within 12 ft of chest it is not likely you would get that close and not find it. Of course 12 ft could just be from the last clue to the chest. Consecutive means things have to be done in order. What if there was a combination lock of sorts at the chest. The first few clues get you to the exact spot (I know this may not fit your theory) and the last 7 or so clues are the things we need to do to get the "lock" to open. Consecutive doesn't have to be going from point A to B and so on. It could be seen more like steps. This may explain why LGFI can't get closer than 1st 2 clues, not even with help from kid from Penasco. Maybe some people get off track by assuming we have to physically go from points 1 thru 9 like following a trail. Maybe clues/points 1 thru 3 physically take us to the spot and the rest of the steps (clues) are to be performed to access the chest. Every good treasure movie has traps or obstacles to overcome before accessing the riches. |
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Post by longfellow on Apr 9, 2020 10:49:43 GMT -5
“If you are in the right spot something you probably havent thought about should be obvious to you.”
“The chest weighs 42 pounds plus, best to have gloves.”
These two statements are related, in my opinion.
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