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Post by davebakedpotato on Oct 4, 2019 3:16:42 GMT -5
Confirmed? Since the chest has not been retrieved, I'd say nothing is … confirmed. I haven't even listened to Dal's recording, and have no intention of doing so. I assume it is a verbal discussion with Forrest. But as usual, searchers want to dissect every single word that Forrest says, in hopes of getting some "clue", some tidbit that will help them. What amazes me, and not in a good way, is that at this late date Forrest is still giving interviews to reporters and VIP searchers. Pity the poor searcher in Florida or Europe who will never have a chance to sit down with Forrest and ask him questions. I guess that doesn't bother Forrest ... Over the course of the last four years I certainly have learned a lot about Forrest, the man. And yes, Jenny, knowing something about Fenn has had a profound effect on how I interpret the chase and the clues in the poem. If learning about Fenn has changed how you interpret the clues, why be so against the idea of listening to his interviews? The view that this can only be out of desperation is misplaced in my opinion - while I agree it is easy to get sidetracked from the primary source material, a good researcher will look into the hunt-setter in order to understand his mind and by extension his work, including the hunt, no? |
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Post by crm114 on Oct 5, 2019 11:16:12 GMT -5
Jenny: but Forrest never says "blaze" -- he says "ninth clue": "The clues are chronological after that. One leads to the other leads to another and ... when you get to the ninth clue, look down because you’re where the treasure chest is." Seemingly a confirmation that it's within a few steps of the 9th clue. |
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Post by Jenny on Oct 5, 2019 16:16:44 GMT -5
Jenny: but Forrest never says "blaze" -- he says "ninth clue": "The clues are chronological after that. One leads to the other leads to another and ... when you get to the ninth clue, look down because you’re where the treasure chest is." Exactly and The poem is: If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, Look quickly down, your quest to cease. Considering Occam's razor.... What is right before 'look down' in the poem? ... the Blaze.... It seems logical the 9th clue Forrest is thinking about is the Blaze... I realize it might not fit some searcher's solution, but if that wasn't an issue, wouldn't it lean towards that idea? I realize nothing can be confirmed, but I feel some things, when continuously implied time and time again, should not be dismissed so easily just because it doesn't fit with current thoughts one might have. Maybe those current thoughts are erroneous. And then we have tarry scant being suggested to get out there.... This would seem you have the chest.... I'm not sure we should complicate things .... sure there are clever twists to all words/lines/meanings of the poem...but it could be just 'straightforward', like Forrest says. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Oct 5, 2019 21:06:58 GMT -5
Hi Jenny: I agree that Occam's Razor and Forrest's frequent suggestion to "simplify" suggest that the "look down" in this audio interview and the "look quickly down" in the poem suggest the two mirror each other. However, it's not quite 1:1 since that pesky "quickly" is in the poem, and if it was simply a case of looking down when you're at the blaze, that word "quickly" would serve no purpose. I think it's risky to dismiss such a word too casually. 15 years of "architecting" the poem and saying words were strategically placed argue for a non-trivial explanation for why Forrest chose to include that word.
I will add that in my working hypothesis of the last few months, the blaze is of a very unexpected nature. For instance, my blaze is utterly unlike anything Forrest named in this quote from Hemispheres magazine:
"What does the word 'blaze' in the poem mean? A horse can have a blaze on its forehead, a blaze can be scraped on a tree to mark one's way, a blaze can mean a flame or a scar on a rock."
It is also none of the things mentioned in Forrest's reply to Diggin Gypsy (posting as Scout Around) in the MW Q&A on 5/28/2014:
"Is the Blaze one single object? ~ Scout Around"
FF: "In a word – Yes. I have received a few hundred emails from searchers who are sure they know what the blaze is. Ideas range from a mark on a tree, a rock, a sign, a fire, the side of a bluff, a waterfall, a spot on the head of a horse, a rainbow, and even a live owl that flew away when it was approached."
What I like about my blaze idea is that it's identified in the poem ... at a point prior to the 13th poem line. I think you'd agree that that works well with the past tense of "If you've BEEN wise and FOUND ..." I think many searchers don't sufficiently scrutinize the past tense of the verbs "to be" and "to find." Shouldn't we ask ourselves how we could have (previously) been wise and found "the blaze"? If the blaze was something that we expect to encounter/recognize in the field as a consequence of solving the prior clues and walking where we're walking, wouldn't a more accurate verb tense be either "If you are wise and find the blaze" or "If you've been wise and find the blaze"? Instead, both verbs are past tense -- as if it's something you will already know prior to getting where you need to be.
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Post by astree on Oct 6, 2019 7:35:00 GMT -5
Zaphod,
Im leaning toward “look quickly down” and “look down” as being misleading (either intentionally or not).
Theres a good chance the treasure is below eye level, in which case one would look down at the last clue.
I believe the poem was so crafted such that it appears the end of stanza 4 is where one recovers Indulgence, but that that is not the actual case, which is discovered upon further reading of the poem.
Forrests mastery and craftiness goes far beyond what the majority would believe, in my opinion.
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Post by van on Oct 6, 2019 11:12:15 GMT -5
FF said that you can't solve WWWH without using other parts of the poem (paraphrasing). If heavy loads and water high are the 8th and 9th "clues", then "the blaze" would just be a hint to solving the other clues; in particular WWWH for my solve, but more likely "water high" the ninth clue, in this case the blaze/water high are the same point. If your that close, probably won't make a difference.
IMO Look quickly down does not mean Look Quickly; it means Quickly Down, maybe referring a slope/hole/canyon. I also use it as part of the solve methodology in that hidden clues "title" may appear in the vertical direction (when messing with the poem).
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Post by annie on Aug 4, 2020 17:45:35 GMT -5
I still think it could be TRIBUTARY with gravel maze - anagram and spoonerism.
but tarry ( and a small piece of the word with = i ) gives you tributary. MarvelGaze is just gravel maze = like butterfly and flutterby. A gravel tributary is also ‘ scant’ of water..
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Post by indigojones on Aug 4, 2020 20:46:23 GMT -5
I read this when it first came out, it is nothing new, why release it again now? In fact I listened to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 9:37:58 GMT -5
One thing that never occurred to me (until May of this year) is this... Think about "Tarry Scant" and "Marvel Gaze", what do they mean, and what do you do when at something like this:
Now imagine that it is near a place that few people go, and yet it is historical, been around for a very long time and is not likely to change for hundreds if not thousands of years. Oh, and what would a 79 or 80 year old do when within range of this? That is, given it doesn't have wet paint like the one in central park that Forrest sat on (for a BRIEF SOJOURN to MARVEL GAZE)  |
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Post by annie on Aug 5, 2020 16:41:19 GMT -5
I still think it could be TRIBUTARY with gravel maze - anagram and spoonerism. but tarry ( and a small piece of the word with = i ) gives you tributary. MarvelGaze is just gravel maze = like butterfly and flutterby. A gravel tributary is also ‘ scant’ of water.. 🤔 I am just saying, the line makes no sense whatsoever really - and therefore must be a crowbarred kind of way to get the letters Forrest needs to direct searchers to a place. AND keep the poem flowing in rhyme... |
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