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Post by goldhunter on Nov 14, 2020 13:52:44 GMT -5
Going with the thought that "waits" has multiple meanings and that xmarksdspot has mentioned the lighthouse... Does waits=weights? The lighthouse had weights (counterweights) inside. I wonder if there is any sort of evidence of those counterweights on the outside of the lighthouse. onmilwaukee.com/articles/spelunking-northpoint-lighthouseAnother thought about "waits" is near a bus stop. Another thought about "weights" is elevators, cranes, drawbridges.
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Post by choice on Nov 14, 2020 14:18:27 GMT -5
I think it's a stretch to go from wait to weight. Lying in wait makes perfect sense since that's behavior of a lion AND the pose of the statues. I'm still trying to figure out the birch! BTW 3rd and 5th may be the same. 3rd if you stay west and count only the lions on the west-side or stay west and count the lions including the east-side ones.
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Post by canuck on Nov 14, 2020 14:19:02 GMT -5
Going with the thought that "waits" has multiple meanings and that xmarksdspot has mentioned the lighthouse... Does waits=weights? The lighthouse had weights (counterweights) inside. I wonder if there is any sort of evidence of those counterweights on the outside of the lighthouse. onmilwaukee.com/articles/spelunking-northpoint-lighthouseAnother thought about "waits" is near a bus stop. Another thought about "weights" is elevators, cranes, drawbridges. Looks like you located the bell on the jugglers palm in Lake Park! That 800 pound brass fog bell inside the North Point Lighthouse Museum fits the bill.
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Post by choice on Nov 14, 2020 14:25:38 GMT -5
Are you sure that's a bell? It may be a Sphinx on a pedestal. Then the lighted "3" next to it makes sense too. Sphinx = Head of a woman (image 10) and body of lion (statue).
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Post by xmarksdspot on Nov 14, 2020 14:33:44 GMT -5
In the Chicago puzzle I thought at the end when Preiss said "hush" he ment "lush" as in the the grass where the casque was buried. If "waits" is a rhyme, it could be "gates" or "gaits". gaits could refer to a horse.
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Post by canuck on Nov 15, 2020 21:23:47 GMT -5
I think it's a stretch to go from wait to weight. Lying in wait makes perfect sense since that's behavior of a lion AND the pose of the statues. I'm still trying to figure out the birch! BTW 3rd and 5th may be the same. 3rd if you stay west and count only the lions on the west-side or stay west and count the lions including the east-side ones. You’ll see a letter from the country Of wonderstone’s hearth On a proud, tall fifth So we need a German tie-in right? Paul Kupper sculpted the lions and his name is carved on that 5th lion. It’s pretty worn now, but I’m wondering if the U in his name had the umlaut on the lion? So the southern foot or “south paw” of the 5th lion. That spot is somewhat hidden compared to some of the paws on the other lions. Do we know if that spot has actually been dug? All types of claims of extensive digging near the lions, but wondering about this spot in particular? Just to add to this thought: What if the jugglers sleeve is the “U” and the 2 red balls are the umlaut? It would seem to make sense and it’s hidden in plain sight in the image!
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Post by choice on Nov 15, 2020 21:44:36 GMT -5
Umlaut is commonly used in all the solutions I've read. However I believe there was a hedge in the garden before the south bridge in shape of Cap. D. I posted satellite image from 81 but not very clear. But clearly marked in the blue print. So D for Deutschland sounds cool too. The only thing left is the darn birch. How about this: (get your shoehorns!) You can say the lion on the pedestal is on a "perch" (look it up) Translate perch to German. Barsch... birch
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Post by canuck on Nov 15, 2020 21:57:04 GMT -5
Umlaut is commonly used in all the solutions I've read. However I believe there was a hedge in the garden before the south bridge in shape of Cap. D. I posted satellite image from 81 but not very clear. But clearly marked in the blue print. So D for Deutschland sounds cool too. The only thing left is the darn birch. How about this: (get your shoehorns!) You can say the lion on the pedestal is on a "perch" (look it up) Translate perch to German. Barsch... birch Hey I’m totally on board with the rhyme thing because I’ve seen Byron use it in other verses. He uses words in the verses where the real-life clue is something that rhymes with those words. If you don’t like the sleeve and the 2 red balls as the U with the umlaut then look under the jugglers nose. I’ve yet to hear anyone explain what that weird mark is, but looks like an upside down u with an umlaut.
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Post by choice on Nov 15, 2020 21:57:52 GMT -5
You’ll see a letter from the country Of wonderstone’s hearth On a proud, tall fifth There's your umlauted U!
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Post by 0o The Puzzler o0 on Nov 16, 2020 16:41:29 GMT -5
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Post by choice on Nov 16, 2020 16:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by canuck on Nov 16, 2020 18:59:44 GMT -5
Had the same thought when I saw that picture on the weekend. Choice is right though it’s open to the imagination. Short of solving Milwaukee and getting JJP to explain what the object is though, we will probably never know for sure.
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Post by davem on Dec 1, 2020 23:07:48 GMT -5
While there, run your fingers over the faint writing carved under the southernmost lion - there's some discussion started in 2011 by WhiteRabbit, as to whether quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3000&p=113207&hilit=kupper#p113207you'll see a letter which is perhaps a german umlaut 'ü' within the name of P. Kupper carved there. The writing is too weathered to tell by any picture, it might be able to be judged by feel and eye. Take stout walking footwear so you can examine the area from where the treeline starts southwest of the southernmost Lion, along to the lightpost and about half the same distance past it, particularly from the top of and down the slope a bit from there. I.E.; goo.gl/maps/AFto8e4UHN3qFmcy9You can see the lion Bridge at the left of that picture. Thats Oct 2019 - the slope undergoes periods of junglization, they clear it out periodically. This is May 2009; goo.gl/maps/BUw4vz4yY3grcEpa9You can see that area about the top of the slope isn't too steep; goo.gl/maps/9dbpUM8QkKWwndtT7Maybe kick around a bit to see if any stumps are hiding below the layers of leaf litter. Optimally, you'd video that area along the top of the slope and the slope just down a bit from the top. Don't video too long or loiter too long to be seen from N Wahl Av, as the Milwaukee Grandees that inhabit the mansions overlooking the park have a habit of summoning der polizei if they see any activity in the park they don't approve of. I'm quite serious. Cheers Ok Byrnie - read above as it's been a few weeks. Here's a picture of the last lion of the 8 (southern/left lion) and the supposed umlaut carved with it. Below that is a picture of one of the northern most lions. Honestly, I don't see how everyone says that all the lions are "Dated". They all have the same "extra" lettering after P Kupper's name chiseled into the cast. And they are all in varying degress of decay - from nearly readable to nearly nothing there. But all very similar - and in my opinion, the same exact lettering. Is it the acronym for sculpture? etc. On the good one, it looks like Sdole or Sdda or something like that. Does anyone know how that is a date? Believe me, there are "no other" markings on these lions. See images.
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Post by davem on Dec 1, 2020 23:26:49 GMT -5
There are a couple of other spots deserve checking out. "Proud, tall fifth" may refer to the 5th lion on the lion bridges. "At its southern foot" if he's referring to the lion and since lions don't have feet, may be a reference to "south paw" or it's left paw. Here are the 5th and 6th lions: goo.gl/maps/bag5sbonEPNFJRCy6The lion closest to the lighthouse is interesting since it's left paw is in an unexposed spot. Another interesting spot is the waterfalls fountain below the bridge/culvert. I was looking for running water since I believe the "millstone" in the image is actually a watermill. If you look closely at the image you may see the equally spaced blades around the circle to catch water. Also people on top of the culvert may throw or "cast in" pennies for good luck! goo.gl/maps/P3d2PbFo7Us4tyub8goo.gl/maps/aVi8pMrGhjnrjSEd7Even though it was originally built in 1930's, it was completely redone by 2010. Ok Choice -- lion and waterfall. I really don't think that the lions are dated. I know... I have read that too from historian sites and you guys say it too, but I really didn't see how they could be. There's only one thing written on each lion besides P Kupper and that you can see in the image below the best. The other lions have the same engraving but in varying degrees of decay. This is the best one. Is that a date somehow?
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Post by choice on Dec 2, 2020 1:15:38 GMT -5
Well, there should be two holes on top of the U if there was an umlauted U. I don't see it. The other writing looks like Sclptr unless it's Sdate as in sculpted date with the actual date missing! If you don't like CC for 200 then 76 bike trail (now oak leaf trail) will do. 76 for bi-centennial year.
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