The Clock Face

[choice]

(note from admin: thread split off from other thread)

So the smudge on the clock face is the artist's initials.

[SluggoZim]

the smudge is "accepted" as the initials. i see it as a staten island ferry based on the logo. i found JJP signature, very wispy strokes. i did not mark it because i figured that it had been found long ago. i am trying to find it again. aargh!

[choice]

You should use the new image of that clock face.

[SluggoZim]

thank you. interesting. what i see in the center of the image is a pier or docks with buildings along the waterfront left to right.
onward.

[canuck]

I'll share some of my findings on the NYC puzzle.
Using my theory that there is a "fair folk" category (maybe 2-3 in some cases) that goes along with an image and a verse, I'm confident that "Corporate Giants" goes with NYC. The hands of the Corporate Giant have "16" and "13" on them. In 1613 the Dutch established a trading post on Manhattan. The Corporate Giant image also has a "King Kong" type figure and if you know anything about that movie the building it is standing atop would be the Empire State Building. I believe the Empire State Building could be "the grey giant" as it has a grey cladding.

Another possible "fair folk" category match for NYC would be "The Spirit of '76" who is riding the Staten Island ferry with Manhattan in the background.

Based on these clues I feel Manhattan is the borough where the casque is buried. Why put all these Manhattan clues into the book and then bury it in another borough?, makes absolutely no sense to do so!

I have looked at various parks around Manhattan, but still feel Battery Park is the most likely burial spot.
Like others I feel the "isle of B", is a reference to Battery Island, no longer an island, but the original immigration holding center for NYC prior to Ellis Island. In order to gaze north at this the only place you could be is in Battery Park.

Another important line is "Take twice as many east steps as the hour". One thing it does is confirm that Image 12 goes with Verse 10. The hour in Image 12 is 11, while twice as many would be 22. So what you say? Well 11 and 22 are very important as JFK was assassinated on 11/22/63.
A few months before he was killed, JFK dedicated the East Coast Memorial in Battery Park. That monument has a wave, an eagle and large stone tablets that are arguably depicted in Image 12. The outspread wings on the monument also would satisfy the "v" in Verse 10.

I've never come across anyone else mention the JFK clue, something I picked up while researching.

EDIT: It hadn't dawned on me before, but perhaps east is only in the verse line to confirm the East Coast Memorial or maybe it serves a dual purpose? In any event it just further solidifies this area.

I've been to Battery Park before and did notice that the Statue of Liberty could only be seen from certain parts of the East Coast Memorial due to the stone tablets blocking her out. My best guess is the casque would be buried roughly 22 steps east of the eagle's wing (the left wing-JFK being a Democrat) in a spot that still allowed you to view the Statue of Liberty and Castle Clinton (former isle of B). There are sycamore trees behind the memorial as well whose bark resembles the area of Image 12 below the wave. Not an exact dig site, but this area has too much going for it not to be the rough location of the casque IMHO and I'm not the first nor the last to favor it. This one might be a candidate for GPR unless someone can find a clue to narrow it down even further.

[SluggoZim]

i am all in with you on the fair folk links. the small businessman is standing on the steps of the ny supreme court building at Centre and Pearl, looking out to thomas paine park and foley square. clues are hidden in the fair folk illustrations, so what are the clues in the photos?

[SluggoZim]

good view

[canuck]

yes the views of the Statue of Liberty from Battery Park are quite good. If you look at Image 12 you can see more of the left side of her face than the right side...would seem to indicate viewing from the North, so Manhattan. If the casque was in Staten Island you should see more of the right side, Brooklyn should be more or less even and New Jersey you would be looking at the back of her head...one more clue that points to the south end of Manhattan.

Some people have proposed that the casque is buried behind the eagle in a location near your picture SluggoZim, but if you follow the verse it should be buried to the east of the eagle. Interestingly enough if you move to that location you can still see the Statue of Liberty, whereas if you start moving closer to the eagle the tablets block your view. Also if you stand in that spot and look toward the former isle of B. (Castle Clinton) with a compass it is pointing due North, same as Verse 10.

Working more on the JFK 11/22 theory there are 6 of these 3 legged benches near the eagle so that would give you the 6 and 3 for 11/22/63.
If you look at the stone railing near the rear of the eagle the two sides are much shorter than the portion along the back. The number 6 can be found in the Corporate Giants and Toll Trolls fair folk categories that I propose go with New York, which is why I'm using the 6th opening or "window" in the stone railing.If you count left to right from the eagle the 6th opening on the east side it puts you in line with a sycamore tree that looks like the lines on the dress in Image 12. It has 2 large branches coming off the left (north) side, much like the lines in the dress. You could also say these branches come off the trunk at an "11:00" angle when viewing them from the eagle, so another potential image match. It looks like a fairly small area between the railing and the sycamore tree (maybe 4 feet or so), this is where I'd look for the casque.
One more thing about the opening or window part of my theory, is that the "window" in Image 12 also has 3 posts and 4 openings (same as the stone railing at the East Coast Memorial)and the 6th opening is mostly hidden behind the bird...could be another indicator of the casque burial spot.
This might be a little bit out there for most people, but once you get to the eagle "the v", that stone railing is one of the few landmarks you have to work with to get you to the casque.

Thoughts?

[SluggoZim]

nice. funny, when i first looked at the nyc puzzle, behind that railing is exactly where i went with the view i posted.

that darn shadow thing has me going. the spot is the flagpole just east of the memorial. the shadow crosses into the current beer garden V at the appropriate date and time. i have not figured out how to get the solution there though.

i am back to tbe clockface. not disputing the initials.....i am seeing much more in the background hidden with the initials. i will post if i can make sense out of it. i am close.

[vitta]

The clock face looks a lot like the clock on the tower of Pier A Harbor House.

[pettygrew]

Hi.

I'm new to the board and to this treasure hunt. I'm not from New York, but I would like to share some of my ideas:

1. If you look at the lady's sash in the front, it looks like a map of the Manhattan Borough.
2. In the line:

In rhapsodic man’s soil
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.

could it be referencing "music" like Broadway? Isle of B could be Blackwell Island?