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Key 2
May 2, 2020 19:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by fishmini on May 2, 2020 19:17:34 GMT -5
I believe the cipher to be drilling us down to exactly that stretch. I don't view it as separate parts of the key, but as a means to get to where the key is. That said, I'm stuck, too. I agree, that's what I believed too. But now I'm not sure what to think
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Post by efanton on May 2, 2020 19:45:14 GMT -5
I believe the cipher to be drilling us down to exactly that stretch. I don't view it as separate parts of the key, but as a means to get to where the key is. That said, I'm stuck, too. The biggest problem I have is that without knowing where you use this key you have little or no ideas of its format, its length, or indeed anything useful at all about it. If you knew it was just numbers, I wouldn't be wasting my time playing with anagrams, or word combinations that might be created from words seen in the street views of that areas. If it was just numbers then the fuel price sign at that petrol station would be a fantastic place to start. But its obviously is not as simple as entering those prices, or combinations of those prices. If that's the case you have to manipulate those numbers, maybe you rearrange them or maybe you use some calculation but I see no clear instruction as to how to do that in the verses or subsequent clues. I asked that question to at least try narrow down what we need to use to create the second key. If Lukas says NO, then it means word or numbers have to be manipulated from that location , or that we actually need additional information from somewhere else, possibly another verse that we haven't fully used yet. I'm afraid it is a case that we needed two questions to get real progress, or be able to ask a different format of question other than one that simply gives a YES/NO answer.
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Key 2
May 3, 2020 6:47:32 GMT -5
Post by susb8383 on May 3, 2020 6:47:32 GMT -5
I believe the cipher to be drilling us down to exactly that stretch. I don't view it as separate parts of the key, but as a means to get to where the key is. That said, I'm stuck, too. I’d agree except for “appended.” Doesn’t that sound like a separate part that needs to be added onto the key? If the point of the cipher is to get us to that stretch of street, then that second phrase isn’t needed, except to complete the iambic heptameter of the poem. (No, I wasn’t an english major; I had to look that up. )
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Key 2
May 3, 2020 9:50:58 GMT -5
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Post by goldenchild on May 3, 2020 9:50:58 GMT -5
I believe the cipher to be drilling us down to exactly that stretch. I don't view it as separate parts of the key, but as a means to get to where the key is. That said, I'm stuck, too. I’d agree except for “appended.” Doesn’t that sound like a separate part that needs to be added onto the key? If the point of the cipher is to get us to that stretch of street, then that second phrase isn’t needed, except to complete the iambic heptameter of the poem. (No, I wasn’t an english major; I had to look that up. ) Or it’s just telling you it’s across the street from Dan’s Hardware, which is appended with an Ace, which is high or low in a blackjack hand. At this point I personally don’t care. I’ve probably found a thousand dollars worth of items metal detecting lately rather than sitting and staring at google maps. This puzzle as a whole was entirely too difficult. Even the finish line had to be laid out on a red carpet. But even with that no one has the slightest clue what to do without additional hints. Imagine if he never showed the map segment? No one would EVER know For sure they were in the location of the last key, let alone sit around that location trying to crack the key. This hunt was unsolveable from the beginning without spoon fed clues. I’ve moved on. There’s easier ways to get a grand. Good luck to you all though and I can’t wait until the right clue is finally hand fed to someone to solve this thing!
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Post by susb8383 on May 3, 2020 10:23:11 GMT -5
I don’t know about that. I was looking at that exact spot way before the map segment hint.
But I do agree that it’s unsolvable without his hints, especially the bowling alley. There were just too many things that matched the poem and nothing that pointed to that exact spot.
IMO the most common problem with people who create treasure hunts is that they make them too hard. Look at Fandango, The Secret, and all the other hunts that have gone unsolved. If you know the solution, it might seem obvious. But if you don’t, there are too many red herrings and rabbit holes to fall into.
The second common problem is an author who doesn’t stay involved in the hunt. Pel Stockwell is a perfect example of what not to do. An ATH is not a Set it and Forget it kind of thing. That’s certain death for any hunt, IMO. I’m really grateful Lukas did not take this approach.
Too hard, yes, but he totally adapted and started giving hints even though he originally said he wouldn’t. It being too hard doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the second issue would have. If anything this really reminds me of RPO.
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Key 2
May 3, 2020 12:55:02 GMT -5
Post by efanton on May 3, 2020 12:55:02 GMT -5
I thought the 'APPENDed' clue was quite clear
"A cross appended high or low"
If we assume by 'cross' Lukas means an 'X'
Now cut that cross in half horizontally. What do you get? you get a '^' or a 'v' By slicing the X in half it would have been appended
now look what you get. VVVVVVV >>>>> <<<<< vvvvvvv. What do you see? Chevrons
What is next door to Dan's Hardware? A Chevron petrol station
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Key 2
May 3, 2020 19:25:18 GMT -5
Post by treasurer on May 3, 2020 19:25:18 GMT -5
I've also come up with a solid "across appended" solve... just not solid enough to move forward into a Key 2 solve.
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Key 2
May 3, 2020 20:49:34 GMT -5
Post by susb8383 on May 3, 2020 20:49:34 GMT -5
By slicing the X in half it would have been appended Not following. How does slicing the X in half mean 'appended?'
Append: add (something) as an attachment or supplement.
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Key 2
May 4, 2020 6:47:17 GMT -5
Post by efanton on May 4, 2020 6:47:17 GMT -5
By slicing the X in half it would have been appended Not following. How does slicing the X in half mean 'appended?'
Append: add (something) as an attachment or supplement.
think of the cross 'X' consisting of two separate parts '^' and 'v' both chevrons would be appended to form the cross X. Also consider past and present tense. Append, would be the act of joining two parts, appended would refer to the result after joining two part. Its a bit loose, but Lukas has a record of being a bit loose. I think the Clue 'Aurum sands' was supposed to bring us to Gold beach, and the 'cross appended' to narrow it down to the Chevron petrol station. How else were the verses supposed to get us to that location. the important bit is along that street there are many shops etc. How would you identify one specifically. By highlighting the Chevron petrol station I think he is bring us to the attention of the fuel prices. What we have to do with those numbers I have no idea at the moment
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Key 2
May 5, 2020 14:41:59 GMT -5
Post by fishmini on May 5, 2020 14:41:59 GMT -5
Thought I would post a transcript of this month's hint video to help others and also discuss what Lukas said and how he worded things to maybe draw out some additional interpretations of the hint answer.
Question: "Can key 2 or all parts of it be seen in google maps or street view along the area indicated by the red line in your previous hint?"
(Great question by the way, efanton)
Answer: "The answer essentially is yes, but you will have to manipulate information that you find in that area to get the second key. But short answer: Yes. You can find all the information that you need in the stretch indicated by that map."
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Key 2
May 5, 2020 14:45:05 GMT -5
Post by fishmini on May 5, 2020 14:45:05 GMT -5
For example, "you can find all the information that you need" is interesting. My interpretation of this is that you need to use multiple pieces of info from the red area.
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Key 2
May 5, 2020 14:57:54 GMT -5
Post by TheCoyWonder on May 5, 2020 14:57:54 GMT -5
I agree. It's why its a line and not an X or star. Pieces are located within the line's area that need to be gathered and manipulated to generate a key.
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Key 2
May 5, 2020 16:48:19 GMT -5
Post by susb8383 on May 5, 2020 16:48:19 GMT -5
Well, once again I was totally off going on a wild good chase. I thought 'across' referred to across from the shipwreck. There's a green utility box with numbers and letters stuck on. They looked so promising...
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Post by susb8383 on May 5, 2020 17:10:39 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice the video edit? Between "The answer essentially is yes" and "but you will have to manipulate information" he edited something out, it looks like. Maybe he gave too much away and had second thoughts.
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Key 2
May 6, 2020 6:52:59 GMT -5
Post by findingthetruth on May 6, 2020 6:52:59 GMT -5
i think the hint is so unclear it doesn't say we don't we have to go to a website along the red line
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