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Post by xmarksdspot on Aug 25, 2020 14:19:08 GMT -5
Could this be the longitude?
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 11, 2020 15:56:08 GMT -5
Things seem very slow this week so I'm going to stir it up a bit. Although I still believe the clue "As you walk the beating of the world" refers to Summerfest at the Henry Maier Festival Park. I also believe many of the clues are just letting you know what city you are supposed to be in. I have come around to agree that Lake Park is the likely area for the casque burial site. I have done some work looking into Lake Park and recently came up with a solution for the Milwaukee puzzle. It may be far from a correct solution but makes some sense to me. I will be posting it next week. I have also very likely figured out the origin of the brick patterned collar, the two red balls, the mill stone, the walking cane, and maybe the two open sleeves below her hands. Although I may know the origin of these items, they also have other meanings once you end up at Lake Park. If my solution has any merit, it may explain that extra hill top at the left of the image. I'm looking forward to laying this out next week.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 14, 2020 14:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 15, 2020 7:38:00 GMT -5
The flower.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 15, 2020 10:55:39 GMT -5
From red lights to red balls and "T" shaped light poles to walking sticks.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 15, 2020 14:11:39 GMT -5
Her posture, her face, and the lion head shadow to the right of her face. The head turn is a directional clue for later. The City Hall building has as many as 100 lion heads.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 15, 2020 15:57:17 GMT -5
The scallop shape in the Cape. It seems to me this is where we are supposed to be. This is where we get our bearings. Tomorrow I will reveal what leads us to Lake Park. I know a lot of people think Lake Park is the Correct location but I haven't really heard what lead them there.
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Post by 0o The Puzzler o0 on Sept 15, 2020 16:14:54 GMT -5
I agree that this area has most if not all of the identifiable landmarks. My biggest concern is that this is correct, because much of the area has been completely reconstructed since the treasure was buried.
The Riverwalk didn't exist in 1980 (begun in the early 1990s).
Red Arrow park was moved to the current location in 1970, great, but then the rink was built on it in 1999.
The Grand Street area, which may be the "Grand 200" reference, has been extensively changed since 1980.
As much as I don't believe that the treasure is buried in Lake Park, I hope it is LOL.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 16, 2020 7:03:57 GMT -5
I agree that this area has most if not all of the identifiable landmarks. My biggest concern is that this is correct, because much of the area has been completely reconstructed since the treasure was buried. The Riverwalk didn't exist in 1980 (begun in the early 1990s). Red Arrow park was moved to the current location in 1970, great, but then the rink was built on it in 1999. The Grand Street area, which may be the "Grand 200" reference, has been extensively changed since 1980. As much as I don't believe that the treasure is buried in Lake Park, I hope it is LOL. Like I said earlier, I now believe the casque is buried in Lake Park. This area in front of City Hall is only to give you a place to recognize so you can now orient yourself to the image/map (it's your starting point). I will show you today how that will lead you to Lake Park.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 16, 2020 9:42:55 GMT -5
Okay, I think I've shown enough to establish the location in front of City Hall and the Pabst Theater as our starting point. There are possibly a few others like the boar's head in the lower left of the image representing restaurants on N. Water Street, or the two open sleeves being the open tunnel like entrances into city hall (there are 3 but 2 visible). I believe the first 7 lines of the clues were intended to get you to this spot. Now that you are here facing north and looking at the map, This is what should lead you to Lake Park. The shadow of the lady's face that resembles a lion is looking off to the northeast. So what is in the north east of the image? There's the cicada and the spider on the wall. The cicada is also known as a locust and if you look at the map attached, E. Locust Street runs east and straight into Lake Park. The Southern end of Lake Park is bordered by N. Wahl Avenue (spider on the wall). I think the location of N. Wahl Ave is also a clue that the casque is in the southern end of the park. See attached image and map.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 16, 2020 15:22:27 GMT -5
I forgot to mention in the earlier post that the shape to the right of the mountain in the image has a slight resemblance to the shape of Lake Park. Also that the lion seems to be looking through the hole in the millstone with the cicada and spider lined up on the other side (it's like laser vision). "Step on nature Cast in copper". My thoughts on this clue are that it could be Lincoln Memorial Drive but could also be the paved brick area leading to the Grand Staircase or could be telling you that there are lots of trees where you are headed. Milwaukee had a famous Copper Beech tree, supposedly the largest in the state, their leaves have a natural copper color. Trees are said to cast their leaves in the fall. There are some Copper Beech trees in Lake Park but any leaves could work.
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Post by 0o The Puzzler o0 on Sept 17, 2020 9:12:28 GMT -5
There are lots of references in Verse 8 that could be either Milwaukee or Montreal, but "Step on nature Cast in copper" sticks in my mind as the thing that really nails down Montreal for verse 8, and why despite many seemingly good references to Milwaukee in that verse, I really think a different verse goes with Image 10 (that image is undoubtedly Milwaukee, the City Hall and Millstone/Walking Stick/Key are too compelling).
There aren't many sidewalk stamps in Montreal, it's not a tradition in that city, but there are 2 very distinctive ones near Mount Royal. They are maple leaves (nature, and fits Preiss' hint) cast in copper as evidenced by the green patina. There is one stamped 1979 on the Westmount side of Mount Royal, and another on the other side of Mount Royal stamped 1953, not far from the Cartier monument on Park Ave near Mount Royal Ave.
In my opinion, the Lincoln Memorial drive intepretation of this line is very weak. Most importantly, "step" implies we are walking at this point in the hunt, while the LMD portion of the journey would be driving.
Obviously, I haven't found the cask so I can't pretend to know I'm right, just my strong feeling that Verse 8 is for Montreal and not Milwaukee.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 17, 2020 9:49:56 GMT -5
Hey Whuffie, I totally respect your ideas and opinion but they don't change or effect mine. I'm still going to show where the casque is located to the best of my ability and belief. I do believe that Image 10 and Verse 8 are the correct pair for the casque buried in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I hope my solution is different from any previous solutions. So let's get on with it.
I'm not claiming anything new in this part of the search, many have taken this same path. Like I said before, I hope I take you to a new end point. Now that we are at Lake Park and have probably stepped on some copper colored bricks or leaves, we are instructed to ascend the 92 steps. I have not personally counted the steps there but are taking others word that there are indeed 92. If that is true there's a pretty good chance those are the steps Preiss is referring to. As far as climbing the Grand 200, he was able to slip in the name grand which further refers to the 92 steps. The 200 steps could be city hall, 15 floors would easily have 200 or more steps and the north point water tower has 200+ steps. You could have passed the water tower on the way to Lake Park. I don't think you actually have to climb the stairs. Anyway, if you are ascending the 92 steps you are already beyond the 200.
Beyond the stairs I believe we should take a left because of Wahl Avenue and the Compass clue which the North Point Lighthouse fits pretty well. Once we pass the lighthouse and come to the culvert below the second bridge (the first bridge is before the lighthouse) We head southeast for 100 paces over rock and soil. Rock and soil is a good description of the pathway below the bridge. I measured the distance on google maps and 100 paces should be pretty close to the distance from the bridge to the sidewalk alongside Lincoln Memorial drive. There is supposed to a marker there to let us know we are in the right place. This marker could have been a young birch tree but could be something else. It could have been birch posts with a birch handrail, the last post being the first if you are coming into the trail. Regardless, I believe we are in the right spot.
In my next post, I will take you to the treasure.
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Post by 0o The Puzzler o0 on Sept 17, 2020 10:13:27 GMT -5
I'm not trying to say you are wrong, I'm trying to have a discussion about your proposed solution by pointing out the parts I believe are stronger than others. It isn't criticism, it's analysis meant to help all of us try to solve these.
Of course it's just my opinion, but if you aren't willing to entertain others' ideas, how will you improve your solution?
Many of the image references seem correct to me as you've presented them, and while I disagree with some there is clearly overwhelming evidence that the image is showing us several landmarks in that Pabst/City Hall/Riverwalk area (though the Riverwalk did not exist then). For example, City Hall is undeniable, the brickwork at the Wisonsin club matching the collar of the juggler seems strong, the Laurate sculpture (juggler's hair) is right there as well.
I will say that I seem to be in the minority in that I don't believe that is a cicada or locust. I think it's some sort of stone archway or entrance, or perhaps a stone bridge/tunnel/culvert. I also reject the notion of the spider on the wall, and particularly that it refers to N Wahl St, that seems veeeery far-fetched to me.
The juggler is looking due East, not at all to the North and therefore not North-East.
My primary thinking right now is that we are to start at the juggler (i.e. the Wisconsin Club identified by the brickwork) and go in the direction of the juggler's gaze, to the East. This takes us towards the other unmistakeable image landmarks (i.e. towards the Laureate and City Hall). This also fits with the methodology for my proposed "full solution" to Cleveland, where we start at the Centaur (a distictive building identified by the helmet and tail matching the roof and scrollwork), and then follow it's gaze to the geometry, i.e. up Euclid Ave which takes us in the direction of where the cask was found. For Milwaukee, I believe that the brickwork is our starting point and then we follow the juggler's gaze to the East, leading us towards the other landmarks.
I want to be clear that I'm not picking apart your solution, I'm highlighting the parts that I think are more likely to be correct and some that I believe you have missed the mark on, all for the purpose of advancing the solution. Take it or leave it, it's just my opinion, and I think we'd be better off if more people were willing to give their reasoned opinion of others' ideas, and that definitely includes my own, I'd love to have more feedback when I post an idea.
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Post by xmarksdspot on Sept 17, 2020 12:07:32 GMT -5
I'm not trying to say you are wrong, I'm trying to have a discussion about your proposed solution by pointing out the parts I believe are stronger than others. It isn't criticism, it's analysis meant to help all of us try to solve these. Of course it's just my opinion, but if you aren't willing to entertain others' ideas, how will you improve your solution? Many of the image references seem correct to me as you've presented them, and while I disagree with some there is clearly overwhelming evidence that the image is showing us several landmarks in that Pabst/City Hall/Riverwalk area (though the Riverwalk did not exist then). For example, City Hall is undeniable, the brickwork at the Wisonsin club matching the collar of the juggler seems strong, the Laurate sculpture (juggler's hair) is right there as well. I will say that I seem to be in the minority in that I don't believe that is a cicada or locust. I think it's some sort of stone archway or entrance, or perhaps a stone bridge/tunnel/culvert. I also reject the notion of the spider on the wall, and particularly that it refers to N Wahl St, that seems veeeery far-fetched to me. The juggler is looking due East, not at all to the North and therefore not North-East. My primary thinking right now is that we are to start at the juggler (i.e. the Wisconsin Club identified by the brickwork) and go in the direction of the juggler's gaze, to the East. This takes us towards the other unmistakeable image landmarks (i.e. towards the Laureate and City Hall). This also fits with the methodology for my proposed "full solution" to Cleveland, where we start at the Centaur (a distictive building identified by the helmet and tail matching the roof and scrollwork), and then follow it's gaze to the geometry, i.e. up Euclid Ave which takes us in the direction of where the cask was found. For Milwaukee, I believe that the brickwork is our starting point and then we follow the juggler's gaze to the East, leading us towards the other landmarks. I want to be clear that I'm not picking apart your solution, I'm highlighting the parts that I think are more likely to be correct and some that I believe you have missed the mark on, all for the purpose of advancing the solution. Take it or leave it, it's just my opinion, and I think we'd be better off if more people were willing to give their reasoned opinion of others' ideas, and that definitely includes my own, I'd love to have more feedback when I post an idea. I'm not offended at all and I welcome your input. I was just saying that I'm deterred in this particular solution and will present in whole. You may like the Wahl theory more when I show it sets you up to see a later clue more clearly.
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