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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 8:01:11 GMT -5
I think "Begin to Peace" is the map base and the 1st stanza connects to the 2nd stanza. The 3rd stanza & 5th stanza connect, along with the 4th & 6th. They aid each other as only part of the solve. I 100% do believe word count is involved. The ABC's & 123's in the simplest form. (spelling and counting)
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 20, 2020 8:08:23 GMT -5
I think "Begin to Peace" is the map base and the 1st stanza connects to the 2nd stanza. The 3rd stanza & 5th stanza connect, along with the 4th & 6th. They aid each other as only part of the solve. I 100% do believe word count is involved. The ABC's & 123's in the simplest form. (spelling and counting) Could be but then... Mr. Fenn, After locating the Blaze in the poem by solving the clues, and having been led to the chest, I was disheartened to learn that there are two different versions of the poem. The version found on The Thrill of the Chase Resource page online shows: The answer I already know While the version published in your memoir reads: The answers I already know Based on the way the clues are solved to this point, it is obvious that every word and every letter are crucial. I was hoping you would be able to clarify which version of the poem is correct. Should the word answer have an S on the end to make it plural? Pehaps this one letter has no bearing on the final solution, but it is something that continually weighs on my mind. Hope all is well! Archie Archie, It makes no difference, one of them is only an innocent typo. You can pick which one. f |
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 20, 2020 8:21:06 GMT -5
Many searchers feel stanza 1 offers a hint to WWWH. However, it seems it would be 'interpretational'. Forrest has said there aren't any codes and ciphers and such, so it doesn't sound like there is something, without the use of interpretation, to give, a state or park or specific area. Sure there are many searchers who have 'something', but there isn't any solid confirmation given from the poem (or book) they are correct. Just like the example I use, 'the first stanza hints to Yellowstone', and while I have lots of other 'hints' supporting such an idea..... it still doesn't make it without doubt. Each person's interpretations are influenced by their own thoughts/ideas. Without a type of confirmation, it seems this is why those who solved or were at the first two clues didn't know it or moved further..... I wonder how many 'interpretational' hints add up to a solid possibility. Can we back engineer the thought process in a way? So for example, in my IRS example above, I had a series of thoughts that lead me to April 15th. Couldn't it then be possible that a string of thoughts may lead to a confirmation in the poem? Once I start putting the string together...IRS (April 15th), iris, eye, ojo caliente, riches new and old/me in the middle lead to New Mexico etc...until I have a solid hint to April 15th in TTOTC and/or the poem which then allows me to crack open the reason he chose the place he did...booom! It's a thought anyway lol. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Mar 20, 2020 8:31:21 GMT -5
Many searchers feel stanza 1 offers a hint to WWWH. However, it seems it would be 'interpretational'. Forrest has said there aren't any codes and ciphers and such, so it doesn't sound like there is something, without the use of interpretation, to give, a state or park or specific area. Sure there are many searchers who have 'something', but there isn't any solid confirmation given from the poem (or book) they are correct. Just like the example I use, 'the first stanza hints to Yellowstone', and while I have lots of other 'hints' supporting such an idea..... it still doesn't make it without doubt. Each person's interpretations are influenced by their own thoughts/ideas. Without a type of confirmation, it seems this is why those who solved or were at the first two clues didn't know it or moved further..... So, you are saying you don’t believe f has the capability, or used that capability, to tell a short story of a specific geographical feature without naming it in that short story. Even though he could name another important geographical feature later on. I don’t think it’s about interpreting. I think it’s about analyzing. |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 20, 2020 9:16:27 GMT -5
The issue is searchers can analyze, and also find overwhelming support for their theories, and yet, there are multiple different solutions using those methods- leading to totally different States.
If you want to call it analyzing, that is fine, but then who has the correct analysis?
Yes, I think Forrest has written a poem that will lead a searcher to the treasure chest. I don't doubt that. But it will only do so by 'understanding it correctly'. Eventually, there will be a searcher who will find the treasure with 'their understanding'.....but until then, is there anyway to confirm 'whose understanding or analysis' it is- other than holding the chest?
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Post by Jenny on Mar 20, 2020 9:19:40 GMT -5
The issue is searchers can analyze, and also find overwhelming support for their theories, and yet, there are multiple different solutions using those methods- leading to totally different States. If you want to call it analyzing, that is fine, but then who has the correct analysis? Yes, I think Forrest has written a poem that will lead a searcher to the treasure chest. I don't doubt that. But it will only do so by 'understanding it correctly'. Eventually, there will be a searcher who will find the treasure with 'their understanding'.....but until then, is there anyway to confirm 'whose understanding or analysis' it is- other than holding the chest? to just add to that..... I realize those searchers who have solutions, and are confident, will say, yes. But again, only one solution can be 'correct'....and there are many searchers with very different solutions....who have done so with analysis. |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 20, 2020 9:21:00 GMT -5
I myself have one.... but.... I know it differs from others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 10:00:30 GMT -5
I think "Begin to Peace" is the map base and the 1st stanza connects to the 2nd stanza. The 3rd stanza & 5th stanza connect, along with the 4th & 6th. They aid each other as only part of the solve. I 100% do believe word count is involved. The ABC's & 123's in the simplest form. (spelling and counting) Could be but then... Mr. Fenn, After locating the Blaze in the poem by solving the clues, and having been led to the chest, I was disheartened to learn that there are two different versions of the poem. The version found on The Thrill of the Chase Resource page online shows: The answer I already know While the version published in your memoir reads: The answers I already know Based on the way the clues are solved to this point, it is obvious that every word and every letter are crucial. I was hoping you would be able to clarify which version of the poem is correct. Should the word answer have an S on the end to make it plural? Pehaps this one letter has no bearing on the final solution, but it is something that continually weighs on my mind. Hope all is well! Archie Archie, It makes no difference, one of them is only an innocent typo. You can pick which one. f We all know there are 9 answers in the poem, so the word "answer" is up to the researcher to discern. It does not affect the word count with the "s" mistake so it makes no difference. We do know when Forrest has recited the poem in the past that he has never said "answer", always "answers", so in in my opinion it does make a difference. Even if the solve included anagrams, I don't believe it would make much of a difference, being that there is already and "s" in that line. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Mar 20, 2020 13:37:20 GMT -5
The issue is searchers can analyze, and also find overwhelming support for their theories, and yet, there are multiple different solutions using those methods- leading to totally different States. If you want to call it analyzing, that is fine, but then who has the correct analysis? Yes, I think Forrest has written a poem that will lead a searcher to the treasure chest. I don't doubt that. But it will only do so by 'understanding it correctly'. Eventually, there will be a searcher who will find the treasure with 'their understanding'.....but until then, is there anyway to confirm 'whose understanding or analysis' it is- other than holding the chest? to just add to that..... I realize those searchers who have solutions, and are confident, will say, yes. But again, only one solution can be 'correct'....and there are many searchers with very different solutions....who have done so with analysis. But you really didn’t answer my question. You answered something about the whole poem. My question wasn’t directed to the whole poem, it was do you think f can write a short story of mystery about a specific geographical feature and not name it in that short story?...and by short story I mean 4 lines of a stanza. I definitely believe f can and if he did then that’s how the finder will begin to zero in on the correct starting area, imo. I’m not worried about if the finder can confirm the correct solve before the finder finds the treasure. When you said the correct answer to a code directs a searcher to only one correct answer I believe a cryptic story about one specific geographical feature can lead a searcher to only that geographical feature if they analyze the details, or ingredients, of the story correctly. F believes analyzing will be the way it’s accomplished “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence.” |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 20, 2020 14:15:30 GMT -5
to just add to that..... I realize those searchers who have solutions, and are confident, will say, yes. But again, only one solution can be 'correct'....and there are many searchers with very different solutions....who have done so with analysis. But you really didn’t answer my question. You answered something about the whole poem. My question wasn’t directed to the whole poem, it was do you think f can write a short story of mystery about a specific geographical feature and not name it in that short story?...and by short story I mean 4 lines of a stanza. I definitely believe f can and if he did then that’s how the finder will begin to zero in on the correct starting area, imo. I’m not worried about if the finder can confirm the correct solve before the finder finds the treasure. When you said the correct answer to a code directs a searcher to only one correct answer I believe a cryptic story about one specific geographical feature can lead a searcher to only that geographical feature if they analyze the details, or ingredients, of the story correctly. F believes analyzing will be the way it’s accomplished “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence.” I think you got my point though, whether it's with the whole poem, one stanza, one line, or whatever..... You said... IF HE DID...... That's right, we don't know. Sure he 'could have' and I believe he 'could have'.... but did he? Our analysis or interpretation can't be confirmed until we have the treasure chest in hand. Some one, some day, maybe soon, maybe not, will move with confidence and find the chest. Until that day though, many will move with confidence and come up empty- realizing their analysis was wrong. I don't mind it, though. It's a million dollar treasure hunt, and Forrest has said it will be difficult, but not impossible. I'm fine moving with confidence, and either finding the chest or going back to the drawing board. Each of us can choose to play or not to play, but I think realizing that is part of the game is important. |
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Post by me9 on Mar 20, 2020 14:34:54 GMT -5
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Post by zaphod73491 on Mar 20, 2020 16:31:40 GMT -5
What I found interesting was the use of the word "probably" in Forrest's answer. He didn't write simply "You won't." He qualified it. That kind of suggests that it actually IS possible to know that you have the clues right before you drive out. Adding "probably" simply made the statement undeniably true since everyone has failed so far. |
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Post by ShadowKaster on Mar 20, 2020 17:20:59 GMT -5
What I found interesting was the use of the word "probably" in Forrest's answer. He didn't write simply "You won't." He qualified it. That kind of suggests that it actually IS possible to know that you have the clues right before you drive out. Adding "probably" simply made the statement undeniably true since everyone has failed so far. Yea maybe something along the lines of: Forrest could probably tell him his search area was right, but then again he might not. There is certainly a way for the searcher to know his search area is correct befor going BOTG, but perhaps (and likely) the only way to know beforehand is if Forrest tells you. There could be other ways, who knows for sure? Only one person I know of and that’s Forrest! |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Mar 21, 2020 7:17:10 GMT -5
But you really didn’t answer my question. You answered something about the whole poem. My question wasn’t directed to the whole poem, it was do you think f can write a short story of mystery about a specific geographical feature and not name it in that short story?...and by short story I mean 4 lines of a stanza. I definitely believe f can and if he did then that’s how the finder will begin to zero in on the correct starting area, imo. I’m not worried about if the finder can confirm the correct solve before the finder finds the treasure. When you said the correct answer to a code directs a searcher to only one correct answer I believe a cryptic story about one specific geographical feature can lead a searcher to only that geographical feature if they analyze the details, or ingredients, of the story correctly. F believes analyzing will be the way it’s accomplished “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence.” I think you got my point though, whether it's with the whole poem, one stanza, one line, or whatever..... You said... IF HE DID...... That's right, we don't know. Sure he 'could have' and I believe he 'could have'.... but did he? Our analysis or interpretation can't be confirmed until we have the treasure chest in hand. Some one, some day, maybe soon, maybe not, will move with confidence and find the chest. Until that day though, many will move with confidence and come up empty- realizing their analysis was wrong. I don't mind it, though. It's a million dollar treasure hunt, and Forrest has said it will be difficult, but not impossible. I'm fine moving with confidence, and either finding the chest or going back to the drawing board. Each of us can choose to play or not to play, but I think realizing that is part of the game is important. You said above that...Yes, I think Forrest has written a poem that will lead a searcher to the treasure chest. I don't doubt that. So, since he did that, which is exactly the same thing as the question I have been asking but in a more condensed manner, then that’s the point I’m trying to make. It’s the same ability or skill set. It’s not so much about I need proof that he did it. You know he did one of them. It comes from analyzing the total picture that has been painted that points to he did it. Just like one could analyze my first post and come to the conclusion that I wasn’t talking about the whole poem when I asked my question about a short story. There was enough information given in my question that would rule out the whole poem for what I was referring to. You don’t need a certificate of proof from me to clearly understand that I wasn’t talking about the whole poem in my question. As such, I don’t need a certificate of proof from f to zero in on this approach that I’m describing. One just needs to have analyzed both correctly. An example- We know that the ingredients in a recipe for apple pie, if the recipe is followed precisely, won’t make a dish of spaghetti. That’s what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about, or worried about, finding the correct ingredients. That’s a different thing and what we are tasked to do. . |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 24, 2020 5:58:46 GMT -5
I'm just questioning....how does a searcher 'Know' they have analyzed correctly? Without the Chest, I'm not sure you can.
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