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Post by fennzenn on Mar 14, 2020 11:11:18 GMT -5
I can think of only two. Human(s) , which he has said on multiple occasions he’s the only one aware of where it’s at or surveillance...are there others?
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Post by heidini on Mar 14, 2020 23:54:09 GMT -5
A type of surveillance. Maybe he watches a bank account for a withdrawal.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 15, 2020 6:40:13 GMT -5
I think we need to use imagination here as well. He said it has not been moved, let alone retrieved. That would tend to rule out bank accounts. The logistics for maintaining functioning surveillance cameras or other technological devices over the course of ten years (without any direct human intervention) suggests that is not a viable route either.
So what does that leave for the umbilically attached Fenn who felt a part of him slip inside the chest? Either the movement associated with the opening of the chest causes something physical to happen that is almost immediately noticeable miles away (unlikely IMO), or most searchers have been ignoring what is right in front of us, has been alluded to on a number of occasions in a variety of different ways by FF, and fits the nature of a poem that took fifteen years to perfect and has only resulted, so far, in thousands of vacations in thousands of different, yet fascinating, locations.
It might be worth thinking about how Fenn's certainty regarding retrieval may be linked to the method needed to solve the puzzle. The deeply (and perhaps rigidly) logical among us at some point will surely have to yield to the inevitable conclusion. If quantum physics has taught us anything, it is that Newtonian physics only reveals the visible tip of the iceberg of knowledge. Things are far stranger the deeper you dive.
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Post by thrillchaser on Mar 15, 2020 7:26:38 GMT -5
I think we need to use imagination here as well. He said it has not been moved, let alone retrieved. That would tend to rule out bank accounts. The logistics for maintaining functioning surveillance cameras or other technological devices over the course of ten years (without any direct human intervention) suggests that is not a viable route either. So what does that leave for the umbilically attached Fenn who felt a part of him slip inside the chest? Either the movement associated with the opening of the chest causes something physical to happen that is almost immediately noticeable miles away (unlikely IMO), or most searchers have been ignoring what is right in front of us, has been alluded to on a number of occasions in a variety of different ways by FF, and fits the nature of a poem that took fifteen years to perfect and has only resulted, so far, in thousands of vacations in thousands of different, yet fascinating, locations. It might be worth thinking about how Fenn's certainty regarding retrieval may be linked to the method needed to solve the puzzle. The deeply (and perhaps rigidly) logical among us at some point will surely have to yield to the inevitable conclusion. If quantum physics has taught us anything, it is that Newtonian physics only reveals the visible tip of the iceberg of knowledge. Things are far stranger the deeper you dive. you don't have a clue either or you would spit it out. all the I knows of the chase but won't tell is telling |
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Post by voxpops on Mar 15, 2020 7:32:52 GMT -5
I think we need to use imagination here as well. He said it has not been moved, let alone retrieved. That would tend to rule out bank accounts. The logistics for maintaining functioning surveillance cameras or other technological devices over the course of ten years (without any direct human intervention) suggests that is not a viable route either. So what does that leave for the umbilically attached Fenn who felt a part of him slip inside the chest? Either the movement associated with the opening of the chest causes something physical to happen that is almost immediately noticeable miles away (unlikely IMO), or most searchers have been ignoring what is right in front of us, has been alluded to on a number of occasions in a variety of different ways by FF, and fits the nature of a poem that took fifteen years to perfect and has only resulted, so far, in thousands of vacations in thousands of different, yet fascinating, locations. It might be worth thinking about how Fenn's certainty regarding retrieval may be linked to the method needed to solve the puzzle. The deeply (and perhaps rigidly) logical among us at some point will surely have to yield to the inevitable conclusion. If quantum physics has taught us anything, it is that Newtonian physics only reveals the visible tip of the iceberg of knowledge. Things are far stranger the deeper you dive. you don't have a clue either or you would spit it out. all the I knows of the chase but won't tell is telling Lol, I think I just did - if I said it any more plainly, you'd just call me crazy! |
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Post by thrillchaser on Mar 15, 2020 7:37:47 GMT -5
if you have an answer you should either spit it out or not say anything about it and act like you know. you wouldn't be concerned of being called crazy.
the know it all but not telling attitude in the chase is worse than a hunch. and forrest says that was the worse. he wasn't thinking of what his chase would cause.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 15, 2020 7:45:42 GMT -5
if you have an answer you should either spit it out or not say anything about it and act like you know. you wouldn't be concerned of being called crazy. the know it all but not telling attitude in the chase is worse than a hunch. and forrest says that was the worse. he wasn't thinking of what his chase would cause. I think you make a fair point. But this is a discussion about how Fenn knows the status of the treasure, and I clearly spelled out why I don't think any of the standard explanations hold water. I'm suggesting an alternative interpretation, but one that is almost impossible to describe in direct terms - it's something you have to experience. |
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Post by dalby2020 on Mar 15, 2020 8:37:00 GMT -5
Perhaps the hiding spot, while technically isolated, is viewable from afar.
Maybe it would not be possible to retrieve without witnesses.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 15, 2020 8:56:42 GMT -5
Perhaps the hiding spot, while technically isolated, is viewable from afar. Maybe it would not be possible to retrieve without witnesses. I think you're absolutely right. |
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Post by edgewalker on Mar 15, 2020 9:12:27 GMT -5
Perhaps it isn't isolated. Perhaps it is very public. Perhaps the retrieving will be public. Maybe our whole premise of it being a beautiful remote private location is completely wrong. The longer this chase goes the more we need to consider abandoning our fundamental beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 9:15:58 GMT -5
An airplane's black box with a solar charger that sends a signal when the chest is lifted.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 15, 2020 9:17:12 GMT -5
The longer this chase goes the more we need to consider abandoning our fundamental beliefs. ^^^^^^ This. |
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Post by fennzenn on Mar 15, 2020 12:59:56 GMT -5
If I were hiding the treasure today, one of those trailcams would be my perfect 'blaze', hung on a tree directly above the treasure spot and pointed down directly at the box...When people mention Fenns 1000 year quote, I always took it to mean the spot (and treasure) would probably still be there, not necessarily any other hints or clues, including the blaze/trees/man-made stuff,etc. But if it's buried ,say, below a tree, it probably will still be there in the ground in 1000 years. Why it probably wouldn't work for Fenns blaze, is in 2010 I don't think trailcams, which hunters and farmers use alot, had the tech in them to upload data to the internet the way they do now. He would've had to go out and manually inspect it I think. But yea, if I were hiding treasure buried below or in a big tree/tree root, a trailcam would be my blaze. They can stay powered indefinitely from solar panels. Wouldn't that be easy!  The possibility of a national park camera online probably wouldn't work either because he doesn't have the means of capturing a 24/7 feed , so someone could potentially come and go with the treasure , assuming one is pointed in the vicinity and he might never see it....It's got me puzzled.. |
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 15, 2020 13:23:22 GMT -5
Perhaps the hiding spot, while technically isolated, is viewable from afar. Maybe it would not be possible to retrieve without witnesses. Yes maybe the spot can be driven to and the chest (or if it's buried whatever covering and concealing the spot) can be visible with binoculars. |
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Post by voxpops on Mar 15, 2020 13:57:45 GMT -5
Perhaps the hiding spot, while technically isolated, is viewable from afar. Maybe it would not be possible to retrieve without witnesses. Yes maybe the spot can be driven to and the chest (or if it's buried whatever covering and concealing the spot) can be visible with binoculars. That maybe so, but FF has said that he hasn't been back to the spot, and it seems he travels very little now. How would he know that there has been no movement or retrieval without (very) regular trips to the area? I would suggest that there are no easy explanations that stand up to scrutiny. At the risk of thrillchaser getting upset with me again (  ) I believe it's worth thinking the unthinkable: that when FF says he feels almost umbilically attached, he really does mean it. There are a lot of people in the Chase who profess to believe in stories written thousands of years ago, but when confronted by things that are similarly inexplicable by conventional standards today, refuse to accept that just maybe we're witnessing something quite remarkable. Where is our curiosity? Where is our ability to adjust? No, I don't "know" anything, but this adventure has changed what I believe. |
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) I believe it's worth thinking the unthinkable: that when FF says he feels almost umbilically attached, he really does mean it. There are a lot of people in the Chase who profess to believe in stories written thousands of years ago, but when confronted by things that are similarly inexplicable by conventional standards today, refuse to accept that just maybe we're witnessing something quite remarkable. Where is our curiosity? Where is our ability to adjust?