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Post by fennzenn on Mar 30, 2020 11:21:05 GMT -5
He has said words to he effect that if you follow them they will take you straight to it but clearly after 10 years time it seems more apparent that yes, the clues will take you straight to it but only if you have guessed correctly on all 9 clues. Obvious statement is obvious , right? Lol....Point is, it appears that the clues are not exact enough for that to happen by sheer deduction. You literally have to guess correctly, nine times in a row because each clue , as we’ve heard from bunches of ‘solves’ have been interpreted multiple ways.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 11:28:23 GMT -5
He has said words to he effect that if you follow them they will take you straight to it but clearly after 10 years time it seems more apparent that yes, the clues will take you straight to it but only if you have guessed correctly on all 9 clues. Obvious statement is obvious , right? Lol....Point is, it appears that the clues are not exact enough for that to happen by sheer deduction. You literally have to guess correctly, nine times in a row because each clue , as we’ve heard from bunches of ‘solves’ have been interpreted multiple ways. We're talking about an incredibly difficult process, and in my opinion guessing has nothing to do with it. The time taken is proportionate to the work that needs to be done. Precision is absolutely vital. |
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Post by fennzenn on Mar 30, 2020 11:33:42 GMT -5
He has said words to he effect that if you follow them they will take you straight to it but clearly after 10 years time it seems more apparent that yes, the clues will take you straight to it but only if you have guessed correctly on all 9 clues. Obvious statement is obvious , right? Lol....Point is, it appears that the clues are not exact enough for that to happen by sheer deduction. You literally have to guess correctly, nine times in a row because each clue , as we’ve heard from bunches of ‘solves’ have been interpreted multiple ways. We're talking about an incredibly difficult process, and in my opinion guessing has nothing to do with it. The time taken is proportionate to the work that needs to be done. Precision is absolutely vital. But you would agree that the clues are vague enough to be interpreted multiple ways, right?...which in itself is almost a back-handed admission there is no ‘secret key’ so to speak for interpreting them the correct way without luck playing a huge role....I actually hope you or someone else can convince me I’m wrong lol |
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 11:44:06 GMT -5
We're talking about an incredibly difficult process, and in my opinion guessing has nothing to do with it. The time taken is proportionate to the work that needs to be done. Precision is absolutely vital. But you would agree that the clues are vague enough to be interpreted multiple ways, right?...which in itself is almost a back-handed admission there is no ‘secret key’ so to speak for interpreting them the correct way without luck playing a huge role....I actually hope you or someone else can convince me I’m wrong lol Certainly the poem appears vague, but IMO there is no luck involved in finding the answers. The vagueness is designed to create a kind of mental dissonance, if you will, which is essential to opening up the "listening" channels. Without the ability to "hear me all" I don't think it's possible to move with any degree of confidence. The work - which may be colossal - is learning how to hear, IMO. |
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 30, 2020 12:17:10 GMT -5
We're talking about an incredibly difficult process, and in my opinion guessing has nothing to do with it. The time taken is proportionate to the work that needs to be done. Precision is absolutely vital. But you would agree that the clues are vague enough to be interpreted multiple ways, right?...which in itself is almost a back-handed admission there is no ‘secret key’ so to speak for interpreting them the correct way without luck playing a huge role....I actually hope you or someone else can convince me I’m wrong lol I don't think you can jump from 'the clues are vague and can be interpreted multiple ways' to 'so there is no secret key'. It just means you haven't figured out the correct interpretation. I agree, no guessing involved which is why I haven't left my couch yet lol. |
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Post by thetruthisoutthere on Mar 30, 2020 14:50:30 GMT -5
But you would agree that the clues are vague enough to be interpreted multiple ways, right?...which in itself is almost a back-handed admission there is no ‘secret key’ so to speak for interpreting them the correct way without luck playing a huge role....I actually hope you or someone else can convince me I’m wrong lol I don't think you can jump from 'the clues are vague and can be interpreted multiple ways' to 'so there is no secret key'. It just means you haven't figured out the correct interpretation. I agree, no guessing involved which is why I haven't left my couch yet lol. There are quotes about how, with a correct solve, you can go with confidence. I think this means, if you solve the puzzle the pieces will fit well enough together that there will be little doubt. But what puzzle or riddle is this? I agree that without something extra like that, the poem is too vague to provide a precise solution. |
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 30, 2020 14:57:34 GMT -5
I don't think you can jump from 'the clues are vague and can be interpreted multiple ways' to 'so there is no secret key'. It just means you haven't figured out the correct interpretation. I agree, no guessing involved which is why I haven't left my couch yet lol. There are quotes about how, with a correct solve, you can go with confidence. I think this means, if you solve the puzzle the pieces will fit well enough together that there will be little doubt. But what puzzle or riddle is this? I agree that without something extra like that, the poem is too vague to provide a precise solution. The poem must instruct us on how to "decipher" it otherwise it would be a guessing game. Just because it's vague doesn't mean it isn't in there. |
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Post by kaotkbliss on Mar 30, 2020 19:49:08 GMT -5
It is possible that when Fenn first wrote the poem, he believed that there was only 1 obvious answer. Hence his "go with confidence" quotes. But without outside input until after the poem was released to the public and he started seeing all the different interpretations, he may have realized that his puzzle may have drifted a bit further to the guessing side of the spectrum than he intended. Which would explain why it was changed to "won't know until you have the chest".
I'm not saying it's one way or the other, maybe it's somewhere in between. Just one of the many possibilities I keep in the back of my mind.
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Post by Jenny on Mar 31, 2020 6:03:50 GMT -5
It is possible that when Fenn first wrote the poem, he believed that there was only 1 obvious answer. Hence his "go with confidence" quotes. But without outside input until after the poem was released to the public and he started seeing all the different interpretations, he may have realized that his puzzle may have drifted a bit further to the guessing side of the spectrum than he intended. Which would explain why it was changed to "won't know until you have the chest". I'm not saying it's one way or the other, maybe it's somewhere in between. Just one of the many possibilities I keep in the back of my mind. I completely agree. I started thinking this as well and am making a timeline of statements. It was in my first Six Questions of 2013 when he said 'move with confidence', BEFORE the Today Show appearance and so before the large amount searchers coming into the Chase. We change our minds all the time on 'new information'....... and I believe he can and might as well.... Forrest basically went from 'move with confidence' to 'not until you have the treasure chest will you know you had the correct clues'.... Everyone quotes him from the 2013 Six Questions that we will be able to move with confidence, but thoughts could have changed..... |
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Post by theoretical on Mar 31, 2020 14:26:37 GMT -5
It is possible that when Fenn first wrote the poem, he believed that there was only 1 obvious answer. Hence his "go with confidence" quotes. But without outside input until after the poem was released to the public and he started seeing all the different interpretations, he may have realized that his puzzle may have drifted a bit further to the guessing side of the spectrum than he intended. Which would explain why it was changed to "won't know until you have the chest". I'm not saying it's one way or the other, maybe it's somewhere in between. Just one of the many possibilities I keep in the back of my mind. I completely agree. I started thinking this as well and am making a timeline of statements. It was in my first Six Questions of 2013 when he said 'move with confidence', BEFORE the Today Show appearance and so before the large amount searchers coming into the Chase. We change our minds all the time on 'new information'....... and I believe he can and might as well.... Forrest basically went from 'move with confidence' to 'not until you have the treasure chest will you know you had the correct clues'.... Everyone quotes him from the 2013 Six Questions that we will be able to move with confidence, but thoughts could have changed..... I would venture that FF himself has been amazed at all the possible solves offered over the years. I don’t think it is possible one man could have foreseen all the potential solves that have been developed. My guess is that he wrote the poem focused on his hiding place and not on other potential solves. I certainly could be wrong about that tho. |
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Post by earthshaker42 on Apr 5, 2020 18:53:11 GMT -5
I think you have to move with confidence before you leave your car. I have not seen a solve that ended in a point. Every solve I have seen ended with the searcher standing and looking around jumping at anything that might be a blaze, including a weed with flowers. That is, I have not see anyone move with confidence when they left their car. They moved with excitement but not confidence. Example: If I want ice cream I can move with confidence to get it at my local grocery store. And if you asked, I could give you directions to the store, directions inside the store including the isle. That is confidence. However, if I wanted ice cream at the county fair I would move with excitement as I am pretty sure there is ice cream there and I think it's away from the rides and coming from the same areas as the smell of funnel cakes. If you asked me for directions I could only give you a vague explanation of how I might go about finding it. I could not get you with in even 50 feet and if its a big fair, not with in 500.
The change in his statement could be, as said above, due to so many cool interpretations. Cause there are some cool ones. (Look up never sweat gulch and find the hanging waterfall and massive omega that shows up a few minutes after noon.) I feel like he started saying that to give people more confidence to go out and test their ideas in the field (BOTG). The poor execution statement, I think, supports that.
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Post by Jenny on Apr 22, 2020 15:44:29 GMT -5
In one of the recently shared clips, it does certainly seem Forrest has been surprised by the 'out of box' thinking of searchers.... (from this thread...https://mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/4402/new-clip-give-poem-child )
Why did you say give the poem to a child?
A child has a fresh mind. A lot of people overcook the poem. I mean they are looking so far in the future, they are overlooking something that is right in front of them and I believe that’s true. I’ve said get out of the box in your thinking, and then six months later I’ve said get back in the box (Forrest laughs).
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Post by miracleman on Apr 22, 2020 21:37:08 GMT -5
This is such an interesting question that I’ve been thinking about a lot lately. Let’s say the treasure chest is sitting in the middle of the woods not on or near any trail. Just by plainly speaking how would you direct someone to that spot?
I think a good answer to that question helps you with your solve. You can’t just marry the poem to a location. You have to think about how you would direct someone to an isolated spot in the woods without using GPS or coordinates. Because that is what Forrest was tasked with doing.
I’m kind of excited about the answer I’ve come up with.
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Post by me9 on Apr 23, 2020 19:53:01 GMT -5
Questions posted 6/13/2014: “Forrest, You talk about how you worked on, and changed, the poem for many years. As you read it today, are you still completely content with the belief that someone will eventually understand and follow your poem precisely to the treasure?” ~ John Thanks John, I think your question is wrought from misinformation. I have no real feelings about when the treasure might or might not be found. But eventually sounds too far away. The treasure is there for the person who can find it and I think that person will be positive in their attitude and deliberate in their actions. No one has any secret information that will take them to the hiding place. It’s in the poem for all to see.f mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/questions-with-fenn-archive-1/ |
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Post by CJ on Apr 23, 2020 20:54:54 GMT -5
I've been thinking a lot about HOW to look for the ANSWERS lately. I could be wrong, but consider this.
The poem seems to describe the treasure location as a "relative" location to where warm waters halt - which could be one of many places.
The poem does not describe an "absolute" location of the treasure - meaning, there don't appear to be any gps coordinates in the poem, at least not that anyone has found, unless we learn later that something like Oh's 109/43 theory was correct - (and even if it were, maybe it just pointed to wwwh).
I believe that this is why he's said so much about "nailing that down" and that if you don't have that figured out, you may as well stay home (and play canasta).
If I'm right, then we're all wasting a LOT of time thinking about the rest of this...because you first have to get to that starting point, or you'll never get to the place where it ends.
Consider the differences of whether wwh were at his house, his gallery, Temple, West Yellowstone, the Yellowstone Caldera, the Valle Caldera....there are SO many possibilities.
But then, and I've mentioned this before, consider that from wwwh, you take it in THE canyon down to put in below THE home of Brown....so it would seem, if you get to the starting place, you could find one or more of those specific things...the question for me is why those people that have solved even the first clue, and know where to start, haven't gotten any farther....what's stopping them? It's been years since he's said some people have solved 2 (maybe even 4) clues.
As usual - just thinking out loud here.
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