|
|
Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 23, 2020 21:29:25 GMT -5
I've been thinking a lot about HOW to look for the ANSWERS lately. I could be wrong, but consider this. The poem seems to describe the treasure location as a "relative" location to where warm waters halt - which could be one of many places. Which is why Forrest says if you don't have that starting point nailed down, you've got absolutely nothing. (And also explains why the clues cannot be solved out if order.) If someone finds precise coordinates in the poem, they're certainly not going to share them publicly, so I wouldn't assume such coordinates haven't been successfully found. Even if OH!'s coordinates were correct (and I don't believe they are), they aren't precise enough to do anything for you. I agree that over 99% of searchers are wasting their time pondering things like home of Brown and the blaze because they have the wrong WWWH. They fail to solve the 3rd clue. It's really as simple as that. And that's why I tell people that if their 3rd clue's answer is obvious, then it's wrong. |
|
|
|
Post by miracleman on Apr 23, 2020 21:38:26 GMT -5
Hey CJ - yup you need to know WWWH and have pretty god
I’d reason for it. I think once you find the right one it’s pretty undeniable. I disagree with Forrest to a certain extent, people ha e used a little too much imagination on this one.
Then once you get on the right path, canyon down is a no brainer. We know everyone who finds WWWH also is in the right canyon. So it seems people do what you just did and go straight to looking for HOB rather then spend the time trying to figure out NF,BTFTW. Hmm, what could that mean if it’s not an arbitrary distance?
I think the cleverness of last clues is being able to put you in an exact spot with no trails or named geographical features - how could that be possible??
For instance, if the treasure is in the middle of the woods, how could Fenn get you there without a named geographical reference in the middle of the woods? I think he could and I think I know exactly how. Is this also be one of the things that makes the spot special to him?
Only time will tell. And even if someone got to the treasure first, you’d still be able to confirm you were in the right spot, even without the treasure being there.
Just some food for thought and all IMO.
|
|
|
|
Post by miracleman on Apr 23, 2020 21:40:35 GMT -5
Hey Zap looks like we were posting at the same time and very similar sentiments about WWWH and the third clue.
|
|
|
|
Post by astree on Apr 24, 2020 1:36:29 GMT -5
It is possible that when Fenn first wrote the poem, he believed that there was only 1 obvious answer. Hence his "go with confidence" quotes. But without outside input until after the poem was released to the public and he started seeing all the different interpretations, he may have realized that his puzzle may have drifted a bit further to the guessing side of the spectrum than he intended. Which would explain why it was changed to "won't know until you have the chest". I'm not saying it's one way or the other, maybe it's somewhere in between. Just one of the many possibilities I keep in the back of my mind. I completely agree. I started thinking this as well and am making a timeline of statements. It was in my first Six Questions of 2013 when he said 'move with confidence', BEFORE the Today Show appearance and so before the large amount searchers coming into the Chase. We change our minds all the time on 'new information'....... and I believe he can and might as well.... Forrest basically went from 'move with confidence' to 'not until you have the treasure chest will you know you had the correct clues'.... i don’t think he said that, unless i missed something. Thats a big shift. He may have made more recent statements similar to moving with confidence, Like reading the poem like you’re trying to put an X on a map, or maybe stronger than that. Need to think about that. |
|
|
|
Post by Jenny on Apr 24, 2020 6:07:18 GMT -5
The one quote was paraphrased.... He said the following which suggests the same in Forrest Gets Mail on Dal's site: dalneitzel.com/2015/11/02/forrest-gets-mail-9/And yes, it is a big shift.... Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue? No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue. |
|
|
|
Post by Jenny on Apr 24, 2020 6:11:59 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by goldilocks on Apr 24, 2020 10:29:28 GMT -5
Questions posted 6/13/2014: “Forrest, You talk about how you worked on, and changed, the poem for many years. As you read it today, are you still completely content with the belief that someone will eventually understand and follow your poem precisely to the treasure?” ~ John Thanks John, I think your question is wrought from misinformation. I have no real feelings about when the treasure might or might not be found. But eventually sounds too far away. The treasure is there for the person who can find it and I think that person will be positive in their attitude and deliberate in their actions. No one has any secret information that will take them to the hiding place. It’s in the poem for all to see.f mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/questions-with-fenn-archive-1/A few things: Is John's question really "wrought with misinformation"? I don't see it that way. Secondly, I think "It's in the poem for all to see" is very important and should be taken literally. |
|
|
|
Post by astree on Apr 26, 2020 10:11:13 GMT -5
The one quote was paraphrased.... He said the following which suggests the same in Forrest Gets Mail on Dal's site: dalneitzel.com/2015/11/02/forrest-gets-mail-9/And yes, it is a big shift.... Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue? No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.This is how i read it No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone (who is not part of the “they” group) finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue ..... ( because that someone who was confident in the solve and could go directly to the treasure confirmed it for the they group )
|
|
|
|
Post by astree on Apr 26, 2020 10:16:38 GMT -5
.
There is a discussion of the little girl in India not being able to get past the first two clues. This has some potential implications that I haven’t been seen discussed but perhaps I missed it.
Is forests comment implying that the little girl in India can correctly solve for the first two clues, And even be confident in them?
|
|
dejoka
Junior Member
Posts: 70 
|
Post by dejoka on Apr 26, 2020 11:30:26 GMT -5
Why did f say "It was the perfect treasure chest." Did he say this because its size matched the exact location size? Was it a subtle hint to the precision of the Chase?
|
|
|
|
Post by earthshaker42 on Apr 26, 2020 12:35:58 GMT -5
Why did f say "It was the perfect treasure chest." Did he say this because its size matched the exact location size? Was it a subtle hint to the precision of the Chase? I was thinking if I found the chest and then hid it again, could I find a better chest? That would be very hard to do. It is a great chest. Even with the copy out there. |
|
dejoka
Junior Member
Posts: 70
|
Post by dejoka on Apr 26, 2020 13:19:37 GMT -5
Why did f say "It was the perfect treasure chest." Did he say this because its size matched the exact location size? Was it a subtle hint to the precision of the Chase? I was thinking if I found the chest and then hid it again, could I find a better chest? That would be very hard to do. It is a great chest. Even with the copy out there. Why mention the chest at all if not to introduce a hint? Why spend 25 thousand dollars only to throw it away? Would participation in the Chase been different if the treasure was placed in a cheap five gallon bucket? |
|
|
|
Post by goldilocks on Apr 26, 2020 13:46:53 GMT -5
I was thinking if I found the chest and then hid it again, could I find a better chest? That would be very hard to do. It is a great chest. Even with the copy out there. Why mention the chest at all if not to introduce a hint? Why spend 25 thousand dollars only to throw it away? Would participation in the Chase been different if the treasure was placed in a cheap five gallon bucket? I have thought about the 10x10x6 being a possible size similar to a shed or structure of some sort. In the TTU interviews Forrest mentions Ernest Ingenhuett who owned a ranch in Boerne Texas where Indians still lived. Ernest built them wood and tin buildings size 10x10. "From There It's No place for the meek... |
|
|
|
Post by astree on Apr 26, 2020 14:16:51 GMT -5
Why mention the chest at all if not to introduce a hint? Why spend 25 thousand dollars only to throw it away? Would participation in the Chase been different if the treasure was placed in a cheap five gallon bucket? I have thought about the 10x10x6 being a possible size similar to a shed or structure of some sort. In the TTU interviews Forrest mentions Ernest Ingenhuett who owned a ranch in Boerne Texas where Indians still lived. Ernest built them wood and tin buildings size 10x10. "From There It's No place for the meek... What I think, is that you’re not going to pull any definite information out of the plaintext poem but if you begin to do things like you are doing, you can start to get more precise information. This is going into the area of codes and ciphers, I’m not disagreeing with it. begi NIT where... And take i TIN the canyon down .... pu TIN below And thousands of other possibilities |
|
|
|
Post by goldilocks on Apr 26, 2020 14:50:44 GMT -5
I have thought about the 10x10x6 being a possible size similar to a shed or structure of some sort. In the TTU interviews Forrest mentions Ernest Ingenhuett who owned a ranch in Boerne Texas where Indians still lived. Ernest built them wood and tin buildings size 10x10. "From There It's No place for the meek... What I think, is that you’re not going to pull any definite information out of the plaintext poem but if you begin to do things like you are doing, you can start to get more precise information. This is going into the area of codes and ciphers, I’m not disagreeing with it. begi NIT where... And take i TIN the canyon down .... pu TIN below And thousands of other possibilities Forrest has repeatedly beat us over the head with back to the poem, back to the poem, back to the poem. It's in the poem for all to see, I felt like an architect drawing that poem, all of the information you need to find the treasure is in the poem, study the poem over and over. It's the only way to proceed with confidence in this hunt IMO. The answers are in the poem. |
|
