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Post by goldilocks on Apr 5, 2020 15:56:47 GMT -5
Do we know who "I" is in the poem? What point of view is Forrest Fenn writing in? Is the narrator even a person? Simple question, but is it?
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 5, 2020 20:12:57 GMT -5
What I'm trying to figure out is, what would a child see in this poem, what would they identify with? I believe he said show the poem to a child, although I cannot find this quote. After brainstorming things kids think about, this is what I have so far:
Dreams, fairy tales, memories, a shadow, ghosts, loving relatives, somewhere quiet, a fort, their bed/bedroom, under the bed, an imaginary friend, a superhero, an alter ego...
I don't know if Forrest wrote this poem from a child's perspective. Is that why we should show it to a child or is there another reason? Does the narrator change in the poem, is it Forrest in parts, and someone/something else in other parts?
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 5, 2020 20:33:39 GMT -5
Hi Goldilocks -- I think perhaps too much is being made of the references to children "having an advantage." They have NO advantage solving the poem; in fact, I would say average children may be at a distinct disadvantage. The whole "show it to a child" business has been taken way out of context. This all originated with searcher Chad on Dal's seven years ago today, with a further anecdote from Goofy:
Nine Clues (4/5/2013) from Chad in MN: "Forrest actually told me to show it to my kids. I took it to mean that I was (as usual) overthinking the process."
Later that same day, Goofy tells a story with a similar reference to kids: "I've been asking strangers what they think about the poem in an attempt to get new ideas. Last Wednesday the wife and I went over to the coast for her antique shopping fix. While she’s shopping I usually walk around town (small beach town) with the dog; on my walk I found several victims to ask about the poem. Apparently a county sheriff (the small towns don’t have police departments) had noticed I was talking to different people pointing and talking about a piece of paper I had handed them. As the dog and I was walking down the street looking for another victim the sheriff pulled over to the curb and ask to speak to me……. He asked what I was soliciting, if I had a permit and wanted to see the paper I was handing out. I told him I wasn’t handing out anything because I only had one copy with me; I was just showing it to them.
"I reached in my pocket and reluctantly pulled out the poem and handed it to him; thinking to myself how I was going to explain this to him without him calling the mental health department, and wondering if I could take my dog to the wife before he put the straight jacket on me. I told him I was just trying to get new ideas and started explaining the poem…. Much to my surprise he interrupted me saying, 'Oh wow, that's a great idea, Forrest said to show it to a kid to solve the poem.' He's the only person (out of dozens) I've ask(ed) about the poem that knew anything about it. We had a great talk but he wanted to talk more because I'm familiar with the areas being searched……. The wife and I are going to have dinner this evening with him and his wife, it will be great fun. I still don't have a clue about where the treasure is but I've got another friend."
My take-away is that Chad had the right attitude: that he was overcomplicating/overthinking the problem, and that a kid (being less prone to that) would have a better chance of figuring out the ~general~ meaning of WWWH, if not necessarily the specific starting point.
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 5, 2020 20:44:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the background info Zap. It puts things into better perspective. So it’s not necessarily that a child connects with something specific but rather sees things easier than an adult might see them. So for example, where warm water halts might be the way something turns to ice like a popsicle in a freezer...
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 5, 2020 20:48:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the background info Zap. It puts things into better perspective. So it’s not necessarily that a child connects with something specific but rather sees things easier than an adult might see them. So for example, where warm water halts might be the way something turns to ice like a popsicle in a freezer... Yes -- that's a good example. Something with which a child has hands-on experience. A bathtub or sink might be another. |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 5, 2020 21:01:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the background info Zap. It puts things into better perspective. So it’s not necessarily that a child connects with something specific but rather sees things easier than an adult might see them. So for example, where warm water halts might be the way something turns to ice like a popsicle in a freezer... Yes -- that's a good example. Something with which a child has hands-on experience. A bathtub or sink might be another. ...and an adult word for a sink or tub might be a basin. Why do you think the child comment only pertained to figuring out wwwh? |
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Post by locolobo on Apr 5, 2020 21:32:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the background info Zap. It puts things into better perspective. So it’s not necessarily that a child connects with something specific but rather sees things easier than an adult might see them. So for example, where warm water halts might be the way something turns to ice like a popsicle in a freezer... Hello Goldi,
It's somewhat of a lengthy post, but if ya want to get the whole story (or not?): dalneitzel.com/2015/09/07/the-nine-clues-29/#comment-102112 …..and be sure to read Dal's reply that immediately follows it.
Good Luck to Ya!!!
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 5, 2020 21:52:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the background info Zap. It puts things into better perspective. So it’s not necessarily that a child connects with something specific but rather sees things easier than an adult might see them. So for example, where warm water halts might be the way something turns to ice like a popsicle in a freezer... Hello Goldi,
It's somewhat of a lengthy post, but if ya want to get the whole story (or not?): dalneitzel.com/2015/09/07/the-nine-clues-29/#comment-102112 …..and be sure to read Dal's reply that immediately follows it.
Good Luck to Ya!!!
Thanks Loco. Well it all sounds rather second hand and in the end no one can say with certainty what Forrest meant. We can only speculate but the simplest interpretation would be to not over complicate. |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 5, 2020 21:57:08 GMT -5
Also sounds like the whole conversation was in regards to treasure location, not necessarily wwwh, unless they are one in the same.
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Post by Jenny on Apr 6, 2020 6:26:21 GMT -5
Last year I did a workshop with Kids where Forrest answered questions for them.... here are a few Q/A's that seem connective to this discussion: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-and-answers-on-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-with-forrest-fenn-%ef%bb%bf/1)Do you really think that kids can solve your poem? I think the smart ones have a good shot at solving it.7)It seems plain weird to me that we can go get your treasure and have it. Will it really belong to us if we find it? Yes, if you are strong enough to carry it.12)I want to find your treasure. What should I do first? Figure out where warm waters halt15)Is all we have to do is work out what your words mean and follow them? Like walk from place to place like a scavenger hunt or what? Yes, and take your map with you |
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Post by Jenny on Apr 6, 2020 6:29:38 GMT -5
And we have this Q/A talked about in another current thread here: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/4293/kids-advantage-find-fenns-treasureQuestion- Do you think kids will find the treasure? Answer by Forrest-Yeah, I think kids may have an advantage. Don’t expect me to explain that, but sure. Their eyes are better. They’re more agile. They have more energy. Why should a kid take a back seat in the treasure hunt?Forrest says they may have an advantage...... |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 6, 2020 7:00:35 GMT -5
And we have this Q/A talked about in another current thread here: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/4293/kids-advantage-find-fenns-treasureQuestion- Do you think kids will find the treasure? Answer by Forrest-Yeah, I think kids may have an advantage. Don’t expect me to explain that, but sure. Their eyes are better. They’re more agile. They have more energy. Why should a kid take a back seat in the treasure hunt?Forrest says they may have an advantage...... I think they could absolutely have an advantage on the ground. In regards to the poem I would think they also have an advantage visualizing and using their imagination. I'm trying to figure out if "I" is adult Forrest, young Forrest, not Forrest at all, or a mix. It would help to put the poem into context if we know who or what is talking IMO. On the surface it sounds like adult Forrest talking about when he hid the treasure but maybe this is the thing some people are missing or misinterpreting. I know we should keep it simple but I seem to have a hard time with that when some things don't add up. |
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Post by thrillchaser on Apr 7, 2020 16:46:55 GMT -5
I think I in the poem is forrest
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Post by npsbuilder on Apr 7, 2020 22:06:19 GMT -5
Last year I did a workshop with Kids where Forrest answered questions for them.... here are a few Q/A's that seem connective to this discussion: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-and-answers-on-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-with-forrest-fenn-%ef%bb%bf/1)Do you really think that kids can solve your poem? I think the smart ones have a good shot at solving it.7)It seems plain weird to me that we can go get your treasure and have it. Will it really belong to us if we find it? Yes, if you are strong enough to carry it.12)I want to find your treasure. What should I do first? Figure out where warm waters halt15)Is all we have to do is work out what your words mean and follow them? Like walk from place to place like a scavenger hunt or what? Yes, and take your map with youFunny you chose questions 15, 12, 7 and 1...they spell OLGA |
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