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Post by goldilocks on Apr 7, 2020 11:47:06 GMT -5
I think the confusion for many people is that they get hung up on the words hint, clue. I like the word information best. There’s information in the first stanza to help with wwwh etc....at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what you call it if it gets you closer to the treasure IMO. By Forrest even saying “ nine clues” people get caught up counting nine when they should just be following wherever the trail takes them. Kind of like the alleged Stephanie hint. The figures are there to distract (possibly lol).
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Post by seannm on Apr 7, 2020 12:33:47 GMT -5
I think the confusion for many people is that they get hung up on the words hint, clue. I like the word information best. There’s information in the first stanza to help with wwwh etc....at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what you call it if it gets you closer to the treasure IMO. By Forrest even saying “ nine clues” people get caught up counting nine when they should just be following wherever the trail takes them. Kind of like the alleged Stephanie hint. The figures are there to distract (possibly lol). Goldi, I believe Forrest telling us that there are in fact nine clues in the poem was purposeful and a hint to not only what they are but the methodology in figuring out that which is important in deciphering them. Seannm |
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Post by npsbuilder on Apr 7, 2020 12:38:16 GMT -5
I think that hints and clues are 2 different things. For me, the hints are in the book and or things that ff says and the clues are in the poem.
Again for me the hints are related to - riches new and old - . Now what does riches new and old refer to? Does the 9 clues help to answer what these are? Or possibly, do the 9 clues help with - the Answer/s I already know - ?
I've done it tired and now I'm weak - to me sounds like there is a change from 1 thing to another. Tired changes to weak. Now what does this refer to? What was once tired and is now weak?
Do the actual words in the poem even mean anything at all? Do they represent something else all together? Is it the words that are changing from tired to weak so to say?
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 7, 2020 13:42:33 GMT -5
I think the confusion for many people is that they get hung up on the words hint, clue. I like the word information best. There’s information in the first stanza to help with wwwh etc....at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what you call it if it gets you closer to the treasure IMO. By Forrest even saying “ nine clues” people get caught up counting nine when they should just be following wherever the trail takes them. Kind of like the alleged Stephanie hint. The figures are there to distract (possibly lol). Goldi, I believe Forrest telling us that there are in fact nine clues in the poem was purposeful and a hint to not only what they are but the methodology in figuring out that which is important in deciphering them. Seannm Hi Sean, I know that this is the premise behind your 9 sentences 9 clues theory and you could be correct however, there is precedent of Forrest using a bunch of extraneous info. to distract from the important part of whatever it is he is saying. Like a magician uses his hands, Forrest possibly uses this technique with numbers or words as a smokescreen. When someone asked him if the number of clues was always nine he answered...(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RzrIu3hMec&list=PLg2bCqbxRU9VRTmYsKwrL8q08qvwLSMnk&index=10) Listen to his answer at 47:25. This tells me the number wasn't as important as getting all of the info. in that he needed. He tap dances around his answer and never really answers what Toby asked. I don't think 9 is important but I certainly could be wrong. I'm still open to all possibilities... |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 7, 2020 13:59:50 GMT -5
...unless of course he doesn't answer it because he doesn't want to give it as a clue...oh man I just can't seem to confirm anything these days!
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Post by seannm on Apr 7, 2020 14:35:28 GMT -5
...unless of course he doesn't answer it because he doesn't want to give it as a clue...oh man I just can't seem to confirm anything these days! Goldi, I know I have said this before, but it's worth mentioning again. I find it interesting that Forrest says, in the following 2011 audio clip at around the 12:30 mark: "every word in that poem is crafted, its not just a sentence its a craft"
Now why would he say sentence? lummifilm.com/AUDIO/doug.mp3Seannm |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 7, 2020 14:40:21 GMT -5
...unless of course he doesn't answer it because he doesn't want to give it as a clue...oh man I just can't seem to confirm anything these days! Goldi, I know I have said this before, but it's worth mentioning again. I find it interesting that Forrest says, in the following 2011 audio clip at around the 12:30 mark: "every word in that poem is crafted, its not just a sentence its a craft"
Now why would he say sentence? lummifilm.com/AUDIO/doug.mp3Seannm I guess my first impression would be that one needs the whole sentence to get the full meaning of the riddle not just a word or two, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be more than one clue in each sentence. |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 7, 2020 14:46:59 GMT -5
I'll give you an example of a kids riddle with one sentence:
I'm always on the table but you don't get to eat me.
Answer: plates and silverware.
Plates and silverware could be clue #1 and #2 if you are on a treasure hunt and the chest is hidden in the kitchen.
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Post by seannm on Apr 7, 2020 17:02:42 GMT -5
I'll give you an example of a kids riddle with one sentence: I'm always on the table but you don't get to eat me. Answer: plates and silverware. Plates and silverware could be clue #1 and #2 if you are on a treasure hunt and the chest is hidden in the kitchen. Goldi, But your clue is: ”I'm always on the table but you don't get to eat me.“ Just like “Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk.” Is a clue, IMO. They both are clues. The answer to the clue may be as you say two things one thing or even three things, but the clue is still just a clue and there are nine of them in the poem. So there is a clear distinction between the clue and what it represents in the physical world. In semiotics it’s called the signifier and the signified. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signified_and_signifierExcerpt: the signifier is interpreted as the material form (something which can be seen, heard, touched, smelled or tasted) and the signified as the mental concept. So the clue is the mental concept in a written form and it’s answer is the clues representation in a material form. ] Seannm |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 7, 2020 18:10:46 GMT -5
I'll give you an example of a kids riddle with one sentence: I'm always on the table but you don't get to eat me. Answer: plates and silverware. Plates and silverware could be clue #1 and #2 if you are on a treasure hunt and the chest is hidden in the kitchen. Goldi, But your clue is: ”I'm always on the table but you don't get to eat me.“ Just like “Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk.” Is a clue, IMO. They both are clues. The answer to the clue may be as you say two things one thing or even three things, but the clue is still just a clue and there are nine of them in the poem. So there is a clear distinction between the clue and what it represents in the physical world. In semiotics it’s called the signifier and the signified. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signified_and_signifierExcerpt: the signifier is interpreted as the material form (something which can be seen, heard, touched, smelled or tasted) and the signified as the mental concept. So the clue is the mental concept in a written form and it’s answer is the clues representation in a material form. ] Seannm Apparently I wouldn't know a clue if it smacked me in the face  which may explain a lot. "I'm always on the table" could be clue #1 (plates) but "you don't get to eat me" (silverware) could be clue #2. Two clues in one sentence. I know it's a terrible example but I'm just saying there can be more than one clue in one sentence. As for the purpose of this thread, the right order of clues, I just don't know. I can not say with certainty that the clues are consecutive in the poem. |
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which may explain a lot. "I'm always on the table" could be clue #1 (plates) but "you don't get to eat me" (silverware) could be clue #2. Two clues in one sentence. I know it's a terrible example but I'm just saying there can be more than one clue in one sentence. As for the purpose of this thread, the right order of clues, I just don't know. I can not say with certainty that the clues are consecutive in the poem.