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Post by goldilocks on Apr 15, 2020 13:07:00 GMT -5
I have been struggling in recent days with trying to decide how complicated is too complicated when it comes to interpreting hints and clues. Some things I read I ask myself, am I smart enough to even think I can solve this? If the poem is as difficult to decipher as some of the theories I hear, than I most definitely am not capable.
Forrest has said things like children have better eyes, are more agile etc. so maybe as far as retrieving the chest they will be better off, or maybe their brains are more adjustable and that is why, who knows. People may not solve this for 1,000 years tells me it's not easy, yet he's surprised nobody has figured out something relating to winning solve, so it may not be that hard.
I am constantly questioning how complicated to make this. Is a redneck with 12 kids and a pickup or the LGFI or kid from Penasco really going to know who Wilson Hurley or Elmyr de Hory was? How in depth should we be researching? This is a rhetorical question...I realize nobody can answer this. I've sort of been leaning towards going back to the poem and TTOTC, which I should've stuck with in the first place but now I'm in so deep I can't undo the damage. Am I richer for all of the knowledge I have acquired? Absolutely but I think it has definitely clouded my judgement. The Scrapbooks are very interesting but influence with my thoughts and create infinite rabbit holes. This whole thing has become a convoluted mess of information I can't see through. Anyone experience the same frustrations? Maybe I should be writing to Dear Abby...
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Post by brianu on Apr 15, 2020 13:21:31 GMT -5
Goldilocks, I think your actually on to something, and I hope something, that is a gift of the chase, thought, group thoughts, and thinking. In the age of Google, puters, and flipping phones, no one thinks much for themselves anymore. It's certainly not common for actual study, with interest, understanding, and accomplishment as goal.
Everyone I've met on "the chase" seems immensely immersed in history, art, science, maps, charts, geology. Talking about fishing, wildlife, plants, conservation. All of this is very positive and I think really good for future generations.
What if there weren't brown trout, bear, beaver, or people?
What if no one cared about the condition of the mountains of new Mexico(West Texas), Rocky mountain national park, or Yellowstone, or glacier.
What if history forgets the paintings of the upper prarie, the tribes that inhabited the prarie, the fur trappers, the conquistadorz in old Mexico(west Texas,.. long live Alamo).
Fenn has created one heck of a legacy, if not a quiasi style society that gives a darn about what's important and spends time learning up on it, which isn't a bad thing after all imo.
Thanks for he typing Goldilocks
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Post by npsbuilder on Apr 15, 2020 14:09:30 GMT -5
I have been struggling in recent days with trying to decide how complicated is too complicated when it comes to interpreting hints and clues. Some things I read I ask myself, am I smart enough to even think I can solve this? If the poem is as difficult to decipher as some of the theories I hear, than I most definitely am not capable. Forrest has said things like children have better eyes, are more agile etc. so maybe as far as retrieving the chest they will be better off, or maybe their brains are more adjustable and that is why, who knows. People may not solve this for 1,000 years tells me it's not easy, yet he's surprised nobody has figured out something relating to winning solve, so it may not be that hard. I am constantly questioning how complicated to make this. Is a redneck with 12 kids and a pickup or the LGFI or kid from Penasco really going to know who Wilson Hurley or Elmyr de Hory was? How in depth should we be researching? This is a rhetorical question...I realize nobody can answer this. I've sort of been leaning towards going back to the poem and TTOTC, which I should've stuck with in the first place but now I'm in so deep I can't undo the damage. Am I richer for all of the knowledge I have acquired? Absolutely but I think it has definitely clouded my judgement. The Scrapbooks are very interesting but influence with my thoughts and create infinite rabbit holes. This whole thing has become a convoluted mess of information I can't see through. Anyone experience the same frustrations? Maybe I should be writing to Dear Abby... goldilocks...I'm in the boat with you here. I have not read the book and mostly stay focused on what I see, think and hear in my everyday life. I use these as my guide for what to dig deeper into. Being a part of this forum has helped guide me as well but find most discussions as distractions and at the same time rewarding in the knowledge I gain from researching what others at talking about. For me Art and everything about it doesn't interest me the in least and I don't dig into this at all. The way ff has written this poem, you can associate most anything to whatever line you are currently working on. I have solves located all over the Rockies, the Carolinas and everywhere in between. What I have been working on lately is putting everything together from the first time I read the poem (the night Hurricane Florence made landfall) to now. I have never been in this for the treasure. The challenge has been what has driven me. WWH is a Stable located at the trailhead of a trail that is only on 1 Atlas hoB is the name of the person that was the brains behind our National Defense no place for the meek is radical The end is ever drawing nigh is Abbreviation No paddle up your creek is related the name of the trail and even relates to the name of the creek Just heavy loads and water high helps to confirm you are in the right place The 5th stanza gives you the elevation (in meters) All this together basically gives you Swisher Trail at 38.73 -104.89 as the general starting place for your boots on the ground. Of course this is just my thinking and would really appreciate it if Forrest would bring it to me in a helicopter landing on my front lawn. |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 15, 2020 14:58:15 GMT -5
I have been struggling in recent days with trying to decide how complicated is too complicated when it comes to interpreting hints and clues. Some things I read I ask myself, am I smart enough to even think I can solve this? If the poem is as difficult to decipher as some of the theories I hear, than I most definitely am not capable. Forrest has said things like children have better eyes, are more agile etc. so maybe as far as retrieving the chest they will be better off, or maybe their brains are more adjustable and that is why, who knows. People may not solve this for 1,000 years tells me it's not easy, yet he's surprised nobody has figured out something relating to winning solve, so it may not be that hard. I am constantly questioning how complicated to make this. Is a redneck with 12 kids and a pickup or the LGFI or kid from Penasco really going to know who Wilson Hurley or Elmyr de Hory was? How in depth should we be researching? This is a rhetorical question...I realize nobody can answer this. I've sort of been leaning towards going back to the poem and TTOTC, which I should've stuck with in the first place but now I'm in so deep I can't undo the damage. Am I richer for all of the knowledge I have acquired? Absolutely but I think it has definitely clouded my judgement. The Scrapbooks are very interesting but influence with my thoughts and create infinite rabbit holes. This whole thing has become a convoluted mess of information I can't see through. Anyone experience the same frustrations? Maybe I should be writing to Dear Abby... goldilocks...I'm in the boat with you here. I have not read the book and mostly stay focused on what I see, think and hear in my everyday life. I use these as my guide for what to dig deeper into. Being a part of this forum has helped guide me as well but find most discussions as distractions and at the same time rewarding in the knowledge I gain from researching what others at talking about. For me Art and everything about it doesn't interest me the in least and I don't dig into this at all. The way ff has written this poem, you can associate most anything to whatever line you are currently working on. I have solves located all over the Rockies, the Carolinas and everywhere in between. What I have been working on lately is putting everything together from the first time I read the poem (the night Hurricane Florence made landfall) to now. I have never been in this for the treasure. The challenge has been what has driven me. WWH is a Stable located at the trailhead of a trail that is only on 1 Atlas hoB is the name of the person that was the brains behind our National Defense no place for the meek is radical The end is ever drawing nigh is Abbreviation No paddle up your creek is related the name of the trail and even relates to the name of the creek Just heavy loads and water high helps to confirm you are in the right place The 5th stanza gives you the elevation (in meters) All this together basically gives you Swisher Trail at 38.73 -104.89 as the general starting place for your boots on the ground. Of course this is just my thinking and would really appreciate it if Forrest would bring it to me in a helicopter landing on my front lawn. I would say go with your instincts, keep going with what you think and block out all of the noise. I can give advice, I just can't take it. I also was never in this for the treasure. I bought the book for my son for Christmas - he's the adventurer. He left the book on the coffee table and never picked it up. I did and the rest is history. I have never taken part in any other treasure hunt so I have nothing to compare this with. Are other hunts so chock full of art, history, knowledge of all kinds? If not then I would say this is a big red flag...therein lies this Chase...which is exactly what attracted me to this hunt. Using my brain was really lacking in my adult life. I love the challenge. Now that I've come this far I kind of, ok, really really do want to find the chest. I would love to crack this thing which is why I'm trying to figure out the right strategy. I can't undo what I've learned so I have to work with what I've got. Our electricity was out for 2 days with the storm we had here on the East Coast so I had some time to talk to my daughter about the poem. I gave it to her and she gave me a simple drawing of what she sees. This is what she came up with: wwwh starts at a river. You follow the river down into a canyon. You follow the canyon to some clear land. You reach Hob which is either a home of someone whose last name is Brown or the name of a town with something to do with brown. You keep walking up towards the top of a waterfall. At the top of it you look across a plateau of sorts, there's the chest at the top of the waterfall. Easy! |
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Post by Jenny on Apr 16, 2020 17:04:47 GMT -5
For myself, all the extra stuff helps us understand more about 'Forrest Fenn', which may in turn help us interpret and understand the poem better.
I believe strongly, that at least one meaning to the line, 'Your effort will be worth the cold' is the fact Bronze is cold to the touch, and so the discovery of the Bronze Chest is worth our effort. This relates directly to the story about touching Bronze and it being cold to the touch, of which Forrest talks about in TTOTC. I have to ask myself, would I have ever thought of that possible meaning for that Poem Line, if I hadn't read the book? I don't know. But even if I would have, I wouldn't feel as 'strongly' about my solution for that line, if it wasn't written about in TTOTC by Forrest. We learned some of his thoughts.
Now while there may be an additional hint/clue in that line, I feel that is one solution for it. This understanding is simple....but.... it did take some 'knowledge' about Bronze and imagination to understand what Forrest was saying.
It gives a glimpse into how Forrest's mind works, his knowledge, and his imagination.... and on how other lines, once understood, might require the same? Not complicated, but there may be certain things Forrest knows, that we need to know.......
What other little snippets of information might we need to come across to 'solve' a poem line? What other words in the poem might require them?
The word Brown in the poem is one which comes to mind....... Forrest uses that word for a reason- his reason. How imaginative is it? or is it not imaginative at all? What might we come across while reading about things on Forrest, or things of interest to him, that might give a hint into Forrest's intended meaning for Brown, or other words/phrases in the poem, like how we were given a hint into 'cold'?
I don't know what I might read later tonight or tomorrow, or the next.... but as time allows, I continue on, enjoying the Chase.....not forcing the Chase..... It will happen, or it won't.....and either is ok.....
Solution theories will be found with some effort...and then they can be tested with BOTG with some time...... Effort and Time..... each of us needs to decide how much of that given is worth the cold?
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