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Post by simpleson on Apr 19, 2020 10:08:30 GMT -5
Quote from the MW site here: mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-quotes-on-where-warm-waters-halt-and-the-first-clue/Dear Forrest, You tell us that we should find “where warm waters halt” before trying to solve any of the other clues. Imagining that we haven’t seen the rest of the poem, and all we have to go on is:
a. “begin it where warm waters halt” and
b. “somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”
Do you think that we can confidently determine the starting place for your treasure trail? ~ Steve
No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence. Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal?
Your question reminds me of another: You leave home and walk a straight line for a mile, turn 90 degrees left and walk a curved line for a mile and shoot a bear. Then you turn 90 degrees left again and walk a straight line back to your home. What color is the bear?fWhat are others take on this question and answer? It asks about how to determine the starting place. My take is Forrest is saying there is something else in the poem hinting to where warm waters halt. There's been a bunch of talk on this but is the hint from the other poem clues taking you to the chest or is it a hint that is not one of poem nine clues that pinpoints a specific starting place? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 10:45:41 GMT -5
I would look into the word degree........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 11:25:01 GMT -5
I would look into the word degree........
I think this is good advise. So as I have looked deep down into the word degree, I have found not only words, but complete stories and directions on how to solve the poem.
So, as is good. |
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Post by miracleman on Apr 19, 2020 12:09:45 GMT -5
Van: There is a hint in the first stanza that helps narrow down where WWWH. It is not a poem word but is found in the poem.
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Post by thetruthisoutthere on Apr 19, 2020 15:25:02 GMT -5
Quote from the MW site here: mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-quotes-on-where-warm-waters-halt-and-the-first-clue/Dear Forrest, You tell us that we should find “where warm waters halt” before trying to solve any of the other clues. Imagining that we haven’t seen the rest of the poem, and all we have to go on is:
a. “begin it where warm waters halt” and
b. “somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”
Do you think that we can confidently determine the starting place for your treasure trail? ~ Steve
No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence. Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal?
Your question reminds me of another: You leave home and walk a straight line for a mile, turn 90 degrees left and walk a curved line for a mile and shoot a bear. Then you turn 90 degrees left again and walk a straight line back to your home. What color is the bear?fWhat are others take on this question and answer? It asks about how to determine the starting place. My take is Forrest is saying there is something else in the poem hinting to where warm waters halt. There's been a bunch of talk on this but is the hint from the other poem clues taking you to the chest or is it a hint that is not one of poem nine clues that pinpoints a specific starting place? simpleson,
My take. Forrest is making two points in his answer. The first is that you need the whole poem, you can't leave out ingredients. The second part of his answer, where he changes words in an old puzzle to make it unsolvable (or where it has too many solutions to be useful), is that you can't make substitutions.
He has made these points in other ways. The two times, that I know of, where Forrest has said to not mess with the poem were when Dal tried to use the synonym balk for halt (don't substitute) and another time when someone left out a word when quoting the poem in his question (all ingredients are necessary).
To me these answers from Forrest are straightforward, but I don't look for hidden information in everything the he says. I see enough hidden information in the poem to keep me busy.
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Post by seannm on Apr 19, 2020 17:53:12 GMT -5
Quote from the MW site here: mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-quotes-on-where-warm-waters-halt-and-the-first-clue/Dear Forrest, You tell us that we should find “where warm waters halt” before trying to solve any of the other clues. Imagining that we haven’t seen the rest of the poem, and all we have to go on is:
a. “begin it where warm waters halt” and
b. “somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”
Do you think that we can confidently determine the starting place for your treasure trail? ~ Steve
No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence. Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal?
Your question reminds me of another: You leave home and walk a straight line for a mile, turn 90 degrees left and walk a curved line for a mile and shoot a bear. Then you turn 90 degrees left again and walk a straight line back to your home. What color is the bear?fWhat are others take on this question and answer? It asks about how to determine the starting place. My take is Forrest is saying there is something else in the poem hinting to where warm waters halt. There's been a bunch of talk on this but is the hint from the other poem clues taking you to the chest or is it a hint that is not one of poem nine clues that pinpoints a specific starting place? Son of simple, What I find interesting about Forrest's response to Steve, is that FOrrest says "No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence. Well he says those two clues, those being: "begin it where warm waters halt" and "somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe". Is Forrest the admitting that "somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe" is a clue or one of the subtle clues that are supposed to be sprinkled in the stories? Just an observation. Seannm |
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Post by miracleman on Apr 19, 2020 18:05:43 GMT -5
You would need the first stanza to confirm the correct WWWH so just those two phrases would not be enough. And Horn is not the hint that helps for WWWH. You’ll know it when you find it  |
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Post by ironwill on Apr 19, 2020 20:50:31 GMT -5
I don't know about any key words or word, but I believe wholeheartedly that the first stanza zeroes the reader onto the first clue.
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Post by Jenny on May 20, 2020 15:15:21 GMT -5
If you can't 'shortcut' the poem, then there should be something else which defines WWWH........ or why the need to start there? ....It seems the correct WWWH determines the identities/location of the clues following it.....
But again..... what does it mean to shortcut the poem?
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Post by brianu on May 20, 2020 15:47:03 GMT -5
It's a directional narrative is what id call it. Even when you get to the end there's a instruction and if you didn't go to the end you would know. Unless you're wiser them Forrest and that just can't be, basically kinda sort of
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 20, 2020 20:24:46 GMT -5
If you can't 'shortcut' the poem, then there should be something else which defines WWWH........ or why the need to start there? ....It seems the correct WWWH determines the identities/location of the clues following it..... But again..... what does it mean to shortcut the poem? Hi Jenny: my interpretation of "no shortcuts" is that Forrest believes that for the most part the clues cannot be solved out of order. So you can't nail down hoB before first solving WWWH, nor the blaze prior to either of them. For instance, suppose the blaze was Starbucks (it isn't). You can't confidently pick the right one without letting the preceding clues lead you there. |
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Post by voxpops on May 21, 2020 1:09:47 GMT -5
What are others take on this question and answer? It asks about how to determine the starting place. My take is Forrest is saying there is something else in the poem hinting to where warm waters halt. There's been a bunch of talk on this but is the hint from the other poem clues taking you to the chest or is it a hint that is not one of poem nine clues that pinpoints a specific starting place? I think you're right about other hints in the poem pointing to WWWH. I also think they tie in to Forrest's refusal to talk about whether the treasure is hidden or buried. The trouble is, they are not definitive. I also think it's worth remembering that FF said: "If you don't know where it is, go back to the first clue." This line became extremely important for me in the latter stages of my hunt. Most of us suspect that the poem contains mirror motifs or mechanisms. What I didn't expect was that they would also apply to the two most fundamental clues: the beginning and end. The effect of this is to demand that you find the end first. And as counterintuitive as this seems, it reveals something about the nature of this quest. IMO, you cannot enter the resting place of the treasure without the "key," and in order to find the "key" you need to nail down WWWH, as well as the intermediary locations. So the end is only the beginning, so to speak. In practice this means that you need to find the end using a false or substitute WWWH. And as bizarre as it sounds, that's not impossible. Think about it this way: there is no definitive pointer to WWWH that searchers have been able to unearth in the poem. Despite strong confidence, every search (including my own) has failed to find the treasure chest. So what was missing? The TRUE WWWH. And without the true WWWH, you cannot complete the job. So if you can find the end first, and then establish the poem's real starting point, that is why you will be "more than half way to the treasure, metaphorically speaking." It is also why the clues become progressively easier after that. |
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Post by miracleman on May 21, 2020 1:15:32 GMT -5
Another example of using a shortcut, could be the blaze. If it is large and you “went right to it” even if it was the correct one, you might not being going to correct location at the blaze. Without following the cues prior, you cannot guarantee your are in the right place even at the correct location. To continue with Zap’s example, if you went straight to correct Starbuck’s without following the clues precisely you might go to the wrong entrance, and therefore have a general solve not an exact.
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Post by goldilocks on May 21, 2020 7:29:21 GMT -5
What is a quatrain? A stanza of four lines. Our poem consists of quatrains, similar to the poetry of Omar Khayyám. Is the poem’s structure hinting to wwwh?
A QUATRAIN... AQUA TRAIN....water halt?
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