Words in the poem cannon fodder or all important

[simpleson]

I like to keep things simple, but in another thread here: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/4419/first-clues?page=3  two quotes were posted where in one Forrest is saying some words are "cannon fodder" and in another "There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them".  This makes it not very simple.

he cunning ruse line reminded me of something Forrest said when we spoke with him in his house.



He said that there were elements of the poem which he referred to as “cannon fodder” his definition being useless bit throw in or extra items. The funny thing is that’s not the definition of the term:



can·non fod·der – noun



1. low-ranking military personnel: members of the lowest ranks of the military, regarded as an expendable resource in wartime



2. expendable person: a person or group regarded as a resource to be exploited or sacrificed







Do did he use the term incorrectly? Or was it just a cunning ruse?





markrdreyer.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/scotts-back-2/

Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman



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There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f

[Jenny]

It's possible Forrest was referring to those words/phrases/sentences/stanzas that are HINTS, as more 'Cannon Fodder', and not the all important CLUES which lead to the chest. HOWEVER, those hints may help us understand more about the clues??

As one option??

[van]

I think all the words are important; especially for my methodology. There are several ingredients that are needed to create a starting point. For me, WWWH should have the following ingredients. What: e.g. Hot Spring or Canyon, Name. XYZ Hot Spring, Unique Location: State or National Forrest. So if you use "Treasures Bold" for Montana as your Location, then stanza one is still applicable; stanza 1 is just giving part of one clue (hint). A good exercise may to list the nine clues, then create expectations (ingredients) for the clues.

[astree]

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It's hard to know what Forrest meant by "cannon fodder", if he actually used that term. This is second-hand quote, and it would be helpful to know the context and the exact wording.

[whotrollsnigh]

markrdreyer.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/scotts-back-2/

Mark says the term "cannon fodder" was heard by Scott during a visit with Forrest.

[brianu]

I think he shot the target so many times it's gonna take 10000yrs to not be noticed. Thankfully he was using words instead of tracer/explosive rounds, the woods would be gone.

[seannm]

All,

You could say that “But tarry scant with marvel gaze just take the chest and go in peace.” Could be information that is not relevant to finding the treasure since Forrest has admitted that it just means to get the heck out of there as you already have the treasure. But seeing as it is part of a sentence one can not dismiss the entire sentence that just part of it. Now the word chest is a noun, and since it has the definite article "the" before it it should be obvious or already known that it is the chest that contains the treasure, so is that noun not necessarily important information needed to actually find the treasure, probably not, but at least we may then possibly be able to infer that the marvel we are gazing at may just be the treasure and not some spectacular view. But it is all just conjecture. 

Seannm

[tom]

Mr. Fenn has said there is no subterfuge in sight regarding his poem.

I take him at his word. Regarding the poem lol.

[thetreasurehunter]

There are hints and then there are clues. And there could be cannon fodder. The statement doesn't change there are nine clues that direct a searcher to his treasure.

[simpleson]

Apr 23, 2020 19:37:48 GMT -5 thetreasurehunter said:

There are hints and then there are clues. And there could be cannon fodder. The statement doesn't change there are nine clues that direct a searcher to his treasure.

It would sure be nice to know which is which.  Most of us have our nine clues.  It's the hints and cannon fodder that need sorted.  Forrest could see the first line as cannon fodder- as I have gone alone in there- but I have that as a hint to the location.  If I knew which it was it would help. Same for other lines.

[astree]

Apr 20, 2020 12:59:20 GMT -5 whotrollsnigh said:

markrdreyer.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/scotts-back-2/

Mark says the term "cannon fodder" was heard by Scott during a visit with Forrest.

Right,  that’s what I meant by secondhand.  Its tricky, I would’ve like to hear fenns actual words and expressions as he said it.

 You know, in the poem the word CAN  is ON the word HINT (hit,  and other words to can be fabricated .)

CANNON FODDER has  some interesting Anagrammes including FENN, END, etc.

( if you run CANNON / FODDER through vigenere you should get dog(something), and dogsbody is another word for cannon fodder.

authoritarians might consider “the meek”  as cannon fodder, and those words are in the poem without any kind of trickery.  Or Maybe he was playing with the words canyon and canon.

So I think forest was just having some fun with that comment and I don’t really see how it can help solve the poem 

[theoretical]

Discussions of 2nd or 3rd hand info is the definition of twaddling, imo.